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  1. LeeroyJenkins



    This just shows you don't understand project management. There are always costs just to see if something is even possible.

    Haha. I fully understand there is a cost to see what it will take for a project to happen. I also understand that are limits in terms of time and money before you either green light or kill a project. How long has the museum been in works? How much has been spent? My projects must produce a profit.

    I asked the museum and a representive replied that they were waiting on iFly to build a tunnel next to where the museum will be built. They didn’t reply when I asked when will the tunnel will be built.

    So USPA is giving money to a museum that won’t be built until the tunnel is built and they don’t know when that will be. How is this not a waste of money?

    Derek V

    If you know that stop misleading readers that don't understand project management. Also as you may know public sector projects, especially ones that can be funded from many different sources with many of them being public take even longer, 10-15 years type projects. You probably know that some projects take decades and a lot of money just to do tests and figure out permitting. While that likely isn't the case with a simple building, people need to know there are always costs before a project gets the green light and it seems that the museum is still in that stage.

    I don't have to be a project manager to see when a project is going off the rails.

    The costs before were not associated with USPA at all. USPA donated some staff time for administration and such, but the costs were supposed to be forever zero to members. Now costs and complexities have increased dramatically with lots of pie in the sky promises.

    I know several tunnel owners and have discussed this with them, they do not see how this is going to make money. Tunnels are not the cash cows that people think (the one in San Diego has already closed and is probably going to become a homeless services center). They are not huge tourist draws either, they are great for kids' birthday parties. And for blowing through piles of cash.

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  2. billvon


    But there may be many others that are against USPA donating to the museum, but are not comfortable talking about it in public.

    Of course. As there may be people who want USPA to support the museum, but is uncomfortable talking about it because of all the vitriol.

    I think it's a bad idea personally. But from the one poll here, feelings are fairly divided about it. And given that, board members may be supporting what they believe the membership wants.

    The BOD is not supposed to do what the members want, but what is good for the organization. I don't see how this museum arrangement is going to be good for the organization financially. We took an arrangement that had no cost to USPA (land donated and the building to be built with donations) and made it a large financial commitment for years to come with little to no benefit to the organization.

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  3. chuckakers

    ******I was quite surprised to read the report published by the USPA that removed pertinent details that most certainly save a number of lives of USPA members. I can only imagine that the details omitted in the report were to protect the interests of a particular manufacturer for a known issue when the details that were submitted didn't line up with the narrative they wanted to put out.

    Yep.... The USPA protecting manufacturers over members.

    I have been on the board for the past 3 years and have yet to see a single example of the organization protecting (or favoring) manufacturers or GM's over members. Additionally, I sent a PM to BarryWilliams requesting that he provide the details of the case he posted about so I could get some clarification. He has not yet responded.

    Before your time, but when I was on the BOD, the BOD voted on the BSR raising the minimum age to 16 without discussion. Against the advice of USPA in-house council. Even though the age limit had nothing to do with safety and everything to do with lawsuits. No member other than a gear manufacturer asked for it. It passed.

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  4. Westerly

    ******>In this day and age, there is no reason that the BOD meetings are not broadcast via web.

    There is a very big reason - no one is doing it. I am certain that if you volunteered they would be happy to let you do it.

    I don't have the technical expertise to make it happen. Nor do I want to take on the expense of such an undertaking for the organization.

    There are actual people at USPA who get paid actual salaries to have this knowledge and expertise. Elijah Florio (Director of Communications) and Jen Sharp (Director of Information Technology) would come to mind, or an underling. However, staff only operate within the directions of the BOD and the Executive Director, so it would still need to come from the top. (Not trying to throw those two under the bus, they are great individuals and work very hard, just showing that there are people already at USPA who probably CAN do this.)


    The expense could literally be as little as zero. I've seen BOD meetings broadcasted via an iPhone. Is it the best and most professional solution? No. Probably not something you might want for a BOD meeting at Microsoft. But it works fine in an pinch and even a simple external webcam and mic connected to a computer (which are about $30), is good enough to cover the basics of what's been said. Increase your budget a bit more to $500 and you can actually get a reasonable 1080p 60fps camera and two external mics and speakers which is more than good enough for a small gathering of 15 - 20 people conducting an informal meeting for skydivers.

    Realize to broadcast to several people does require a little more than that, but there are people that do it for a living (GoToMeeting, etc). The limitation is really the committee meetings, several can be going on at one time. Again, none of this is technically complicated, just takes a modicum of planning. Lastly, I would have to cover the travel expenses, and USPA has the means and people to do the job.

    Certainly, our members would be better served by this than a museum and wind tunnel.

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  5. gowlerk

    Some people here sure do get worked up about this. Let me tell you a little secret I've known for a while now. Most members don't care who is on the BoD as long as someone else does it. A few people here act as though it is the leadership of a powerful organization with money and power in the hands of the unworthy.

    In reality it is a small recreational sports association. Serving on the board is a mundane chore that a few people feel called to do because the are passionate about the skydiving community.

    The next time you see one of these people, remember to thank them for giving a shit. Instead of attacking them for the way they do a job you wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

    When are you running?

    I served two terms already.

    I had no misgivings about the size of the organization or the money involved, but I took the job seriously and tried to provide the members my best effort. And while some aspects were mundane, it was great to know you were serving the sport.

    In general, I think the BOD does a good job, but I know they can serve the members better.

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  6. billvon

    >In this day and age, there is no reason that the BOD meetings are not broadcast via web.

    There is a very big reason - no one is doing it. I am certain that if you volunteered they would be happy to let you do it.

    I don't have the technical expertise to make it happen. Nor do I want to take on the expense of such an undertaking for the organization.

    There are actual people at USPA who get paid actual salaries to have this knowledge and expertise. Elijah Florio (Director of Communications) and Jen Sharp (Director of Information Technology) would come to mind, or an underling. However, staff only operate within the directions of the BOD and the Executive Director, so it would still need to come from the top. (Not trying to throw those two under the bus, they are great individuals and work very hard, just showing that there are people already at USPA who probably CAN do this.)

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  7. grimmie

    In this day and age, it would be nice to have a panel of members question candidates live on the USPA facecrack page. Members watching could ask questions live also.

    No reason to do anything like that. Most are just running on name recognition, not substance. Unless that changes, expect more of the same.

    In this day and age, there is no reason that the BOD meetings are not broadcast via web. We can see the world meet judged live, but heaven forbid we see who cast a vote for the museum! Again, unless enough members demand change, expect more of the same.


    PS I will call you back in the future, Gary!
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  8. wolfriverjoe



    Sooo, by your definition here, then every DZO that has ever had an incident at their place should be given the same treatment?

    If by "an incident" you mean knowingly allowing an unrated person to teach multiple ratings courses at his DZ and then employing those improperly trained jumpers? Yes, every DZO who has that kind of "incident" should be chucked out of USPA.

    Never been to Lodi, never met Bill or anything.


    After all the info about inadequate training and faked credentials came out, a few "Lodi Alumni" told me flat out that Lodi is Bill's kingdom, and that there is absolutely zero chance that this could have gone on without his knowledge. It was strongly suggested that Bill would have been the one who wanted the course 'shortened' to save time.

    Ten years ago I would have whole-heartedly agreed with that statement, but Bill is a little older and a little slower and may not have realized exactly what was going on.

    Bill didn't "need" more TI's at that time, he had plenty.

    And I hear we had another DZ in the area recently with an unrated AFFI jumping and signing students off.... The offending instructor was hammered by USPA, but not the DZO/GM. Way to be consistent!

    Ron has a point. He may be a little enthusiastic about how he is talking about it, but we all have seen over the years shenanigans at a DZ that just go completely without any rebuke to the DZO or GM status. The real issue is that such a program of inspections and citations just doesn't carry any weight. The most baddest thing USPA can do to someone is kick them out of the organization and inform the FAA of any violations. As much as we want to self govern our sport, the job of enforcing the FAR's falls to the FAA, not USPA.

    Personally, I wish USPA would drop the GM program, or splinter out another organization to do it. Trying to represent both the consumer and seller of a product is impossible, as they have competing interests. Ultimately, the organization has to make compromises to please both sides which means neither side feels truly represented.

    People on this thread (especially Mike Mullins and Gary Peek) have been amazingly patient. And bonus points everyone for the thread drift!

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  9. tigra

    I know someone who takes his out right before exit and puts it in his pocket. Hey, I keep my sunglasses in my jumpsuit and put them on right after I land. I guess he does the same thing with his teeth! B|

    As a dentist, I see sooooo many broken partials, dentures, flippers and retainers broken because they were put in a pocket "for just a second." USE A CASE! Something to protect that investment from being broken while you jostle around.

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  10. gowlerk

    ***Guess what I dont do FS ? I don't want to do FS?

    I've been to two world meets and multiple world records for CF. I don't think making me do FS makes it any more useful for me to be able to compete at an international competition.

    Yet you seem to think an AFF jump as a student seems to be so much more useful for a qualifying license requirement jump.

    IPC/FAI/USPA all should get there head out of their ass and realize there are different disciplines.

    Almost no one starts out with CF as their main discipline. I'm betting you did not.

    I did!

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  11. skyfox2007

    After some digging...for anyone looking for this summer's board meeting summary:

    Gotta agree with you folks. I wonder if any of the BOD members are carrying water for any of the larger DZs. The B and C license formation requirements will be tough to fulfill at smaller locations. I also feel that the BOD didn't think through the 2nd and 3rd order effects through on this one. The law of unintended consequences suggests that this is a tough financial line for small DZ owners to toe. These requirements could mean lost business and revenues. As if starting and operating a small business in this country wasn't difficult enough already.

    The USPA also sold out its US members by choosing to conform to the standards of an international body with no legal right to exercise its influence in the US. I don't like the idea of an organization based in Paris calling the shots across the planet - they're not obliged to represent jumpers in the US or anywhere else and possess little to no incentive to field our concerns.


    It is ironic that the number of jumps for getting a tandem instructor rating are fairly low in my opinion, but the stated reason by members of the BOD that defend it is that smaller dropzones have trouble getting jumpers to a thousand jumps.

    I would have been much happier with more canopy course requirements at each license level, not freefall formation requirements. You know, what is killing and maiming our members still. After over 25 years. The more experienced ones. All the time.

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  12. wolfriverjoe

    ***As a dentist who jumps, I have replaced tons of dentures, partial dentures, retainers, temporary crowns, etc that have fallen out in freefall or on opening.

    Pretty much if it can come out of your mouth, it will come out.


    So just like keys, wallets, watches, jewelry, phones, ect, if you want to have it when you get back down on the ground...

    Leave it on the ground.

    The real issue too is that these things can take time to replace, not just a day or two. A partial with a cast frame and hurrying as much as possible can easily take over a month to fabricate correctly. In the meantime, you are short chewers or smilers or both. Yeah, we can make a temporary to show, but that just adds to the expense too.

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  13. SethInMI


    Makes me want to bring back concrete rebound hammer!


    You don't bring back concrete rebound hammer. Concrete rebound hammer will bring itself back when it feels like it.

    Rumor has it, that CRH is in rehab. It was drinking every night until it was.....

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  14. SethInMI

    ***The chances of anyone recognizing his name or his face in the year 2038 are not great. It's certainly not impossible considering the notoriety of this case, but I wouldn't count on it by any means.

    I feel like he will become a skydive legend. Like DB Cooper or fictional Truman Sparks or Bohdi, his name will be a bonfire staple, enough that people will remember. It only takes one person to post "Hey remember that guy, his release date just passed, wonder where he is" and refresh everyone's memory.

    I don't think that holds water. Roger Kibbe is a fairly infamous killer here in California (the I-5 strangler) and was a skydiver at the time. Part of his downfall was he used paracord pull up cords to strangle some of his victims and that sent the police looking for skydiver. People think I make the story up about him hanging around the DZ having beers after jumping, just like any other skydiver.

    Memory is short.

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  15. cpoxon

    ***Is it possible in your country to have the condition of his release that he not be involved associated, or within 500 feet of any skydiving activity?




    Additional Licence Conditions
    2.4 Licences may also include additional conditions, for example, exclusion zones or noncontact restrictions, provided that these fall within one of the categories prescribed in the 2015 Order.

    2.5 These categories are:

    (1) residence at a specified place;
    (2) restriction of residency;
    (3) making or maintaining contact with a person;
    (4) participation in, or co-operation with, a programme or set of activities;
    (5) possession, ownership, control or inspection of specified items or documents;
    (6) disclosure of information;
    (7) curfew arrangement;
    (8) freedom of movement;
    (9) supervision in the community by the supervising officer, or other responsible officer,
    or organisation.

    I wonder whether a parole board would automatically consider this or whether it would have to come from a victim (who would be asked to contribute to a parole hearing).

    Or could the Association speak on the behalf of participants who don't want to lock their gear down between jumps, constantly check if equipment has been tampered with, etc.?

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  16. chuckakers

    Why does the local newspaper continue to give this woman a platform for such things? Maybe Mile Hi should start naming the paper in the next lawsuit.

    The city has said her claims have no merit.
    The FAA has said her claims have no merit.
    The courts have repeatedly said her claims have no merit, to the point where she had to cover the defendants costs.
    But somehow, the newspaper seems to think her claims have enough merit to earn space. And the is no place for comments.... WTF?

    And isn't she in violation of the court order with this? Didn't the judge order everyone to play nice from now on?

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  17. veazer

    Would utilizing a pilot chute controlled reefing system (pilot chute attaches through the canopy to the slider to help slow/control its descent down the lines) potentially help with this? No idea what potential issues those have but I'm sure someone's tried it before, right?

    We had this for years on JFX's modified for CF (more open nose, dacron lines). Worked great because the faster the airspeed, the more your slider was slowed down. We eventually were able to not have sliders in the conventional sense, but just grommets and rings to the bridle. Packing was way more challenging and we did see some damage to the bottom skin of the canopy, however.

    My profile pic is with those canopies, with that system.

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