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The folks learning from the speaker in that West Bank settlement. Youth from that Yeshiva were caught trying to set fire to Palestinian cars, beaten, ultimately leading to the Army getting them out. While the youth behavior is certainly not endorsed by Israeli government, it seems common behavior for some of the settlers. IDF also appears to do little to try to prevent the attacks, just stop them after the damage is done. Settler holds knife to IDF soldier's throat in West Bank riot Many of the settlers seem to feel like they are entitled to the land they are settling/taking? The last sentence of the first article quotes a settler saying "So we decided that for every attempt to evacuate [outpost trailers], we would exact a price throughout the area. The tiniest evacuation will result in incidents all day long, so it will be clear we don't give up easily." Didn't IDF do the same sorts of things during Op Cast Lead and afterward. Killing and wounding a disproportionate number of civilians? 400k without water. Then limiting the amount of aid that can come in? The same question would now apply also "Can someone explain to me why this is acceptable?" I wonder how folks who say they know persecution so well, can behave so much like those they despise so much.

[url "http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126890.html"]West Bank rabbi: Jews can kill Gentiles who threaten Israel[/url ] "even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation." Since when do babies pose a threat (other than offensive smells and breast feeding)? Would you consider it 'racist' if other ethnic groups are used? edited to fix clicky

HAHA that is too funny. I didn't vote for either of the zionist puppet bastards. There is no doubt he is the president. Just like the one before him, the courts will make sure he stays in office. I just wanted to see how you rocket scientists explained it. which no one has done yet- I should have known...

well thank you for that intelligent response! You may go back to your telescreen now...

Just located two different versions of the same news article. First one is original version from archive.org, check the 14th paragraph which reads "Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively." But the current version has omitted the part where BO was born in Indonesia. I know, I know, my tin foil is on too tight... but I can't wait to hear the explanation. Sounds like 1984 if you ask me...

You sure you read that report? Thermite particles found in the dust are not suggestive proof of thermite being in the building prior to collapse?? What about the iron sphere shaped droplets they found? How in the world could those have formed?

None of which choose to utilize much common sense, unless it is PM common sense... And your TP factory example is very cute and quite illustrative of your classic distractionary nonsense- but it was ultimately only worthless plinking on your part and more of the same ole 'no comment' type of answer have you even addressed the thermite reports bill? other than just simply labeling the academics a buncha quacks and not worthy of your time?

Has anyone seen the documents where scientists show they have found thermite particles in the dust from the towers? Has anyone seen the video where VP Biden was presented with this document, and his subsequent reaction? Thanks everyone 2 for focusing on my b25 typo, but the point I was trying to illustrate was we have many examples of planes flying into buildings and many examples of fires much more intense, in steel framed structures, yet they failed to bring down the building or cause significant structural damage to lead to a collapse. No one really addresses Building 7's collapse, which in and of itself indicates element of doubt within the official story- since the "investigation" doesn't even recognize this fact. Why not release any of the confiscated videos of the pentagon incident? wouldn't their release only support the official story? By releasing only the one inconclusive video, that would add to the element of doubt, in my opinion. But not to the guys who read Popular Mechanics!? I just hope to get more folks to ask questions with their minds open rather than blinders on. Take care all-

Way to plink those keys without typing anything of much worth, but alas, I have noticed that about you sometimes- Are you trying to say like the hand of Allah slammed the towers down, thus accelerating their fall? The B52 that hit the Empire State building may not have been fully fueled, but didn't even come close to collapsing the structure. Do tell me how long it would take for 800 gallons of J1 fuel to burn up? I'd say pretty fast. hardly seems enough time to substantially weaken 47 1400 ft steel core columns and all supports enough to allow a CD like decent. But what do I know, I am not an engineer, right? Your the smart guy- What was the formula for the cost savings of traditional demolition vs caveman demolition? You've given me 150mil for the plane & fuel (lets say 1 mil more)- 151million to demo b1 via the caveman method versus traditional. I would bet that 151mil would have been a bargain compared to the necessary asbestos cleanup or a 'traditional' demolition and cleanup. Not to mention the health threats and liability of asbestos dust from the CD and cleanup. And the insurance company ultimately paid for the cleanup too! I didn't say a cat, but if that's what you were told and it still looked like a dog, I guess you will see a mtn lion. *shrug* what does a dog look like to you if its a mtn lion now?

How fast should they have fallen if it wasn't a CD? I don't know. Do you know? Bill provided some math, but someone did peg that physics wasn't exactly my fav subject, even though I did understand it. I am just wondering about the 47 vertical interconnected steel core columns that are >1000 feet high causing at least some resistance during the collapse? 47 massive interconnected steel columns, running the entire core of the building, anchored into the bedrock 4 stories below the surface, would logically provide resistance right? Idk how much- too many other factors involved, but they obviously provided NO resistance at all. This just seems illogical to me without precutting core columns or using preset thermite to cut the columns. The close proximity of uncut 47 core columns (for 80+floors), would seem to me to provide more than enough resistance to make it NOT look like a CD. How much?- again I don't know, but enough to make it NOT resemble a CD. Not free-fall speed in other words. I will flip the rest of your statement back at you- what examples of complete high rise collapses do you have that were not a CD? We have all seen many examples of CDs, but there has been no steel frame building complete collapse due to fires or plane strikes, since that day or prior to it, has there? If not, the only non CD collapses I can think of would then be due to earthquakes, aerial bombings, faulty footers, movement of the ground under the building and such, right? These would not be comparable to the events of 911- There are no other examples of planes hitting buildings causing a complete collapse, yet there are examples of planes hitting buildings and subsequent fires, with minimal structural failure as a result, but no collapse. There are also examples of fires within steel framed buildings. While some were very extreme fires, none of them caused a complete failure as occurred on 911, thrice. I would also argue that if all it took to take down steel framed buildings was J1 and office furniture fires, then why are the CD companies still pre-cutting the steel support beams? The cavemen didn't need to cut the support beams, why do we? Are we just more sophisticated or are we just not smarter than cavemen? Are we omitting the obvious savings on future building demolitions? A completely new way for a perfect building collapse was 'discovered' by the cavemen, right? Using absolutely no demolition crew, these cavemen put 2 entire 110 story office (and b7) buildings into their basement using only jet fuel and office furniture (not quite sure about how they pulled b7). Logically speaking, it would seem quite a boon to the CD industry would it not? Just blow out one floor about 2/3 the way up (to simulate the plane crash), while simultaneously setting off 1000 gallons of jet fuel (to weaken the core structure and all the supports and such), let the fires burn a little while and shortly you (should) have a perfect collapse due to the fires, right? Hey Bill- you got a formula for the cost savings over a traditional CD? While Building 7 collapsed without any significant internal structural damage, all three buildings collapse perfectly conforms to the whole goal of a perfect CD- "Completely breaking up the entire building into small pieces and put them all into the basement for easy removal", another clear indication of why it would appear to be a CD- yet you still would say it was cavemen from Afghanistan doing the blind squirrel. I haven't seen any beside 911. I would ask you how many examples of a complete high rise collapses, that were not a CD, are you aware of? Please provide links if you have. Three occurred in a single day, and to my knowledge not one before or after that day. This occurs in your argument? Consider this: You are shown, by someone whom you trust implicitly, a creature that appears to be a dog. But you are told it is not a dog. You are told it is some new kind of animal not even related to a dog. Now, just because you are told its not a dog, does that really stop it from looking like one? Just because we are told that B1,2&7 are not examples of CD, the collapses still very much look like a CD (yes or no). Disbelief that your government would lie to you or could plan or implement some event like this is not proof it could not or would not happen. If you really take all other oddities and bizarre coincidences of that day (and during the weeks prior and after), plus a lack of any real investigation of any kind, how can you conclude otherwise? (unless you have a high paying job you don't want to loose being labeled a CT, then I totally understand ) We are continually reassured the 911 were attacks by cavemen. I know this generation grew up on cartoons, comic books, Star Wars and such, but uh, "Bitch, please", Anyone who questions the official caveman theory is quickly labeled a quack, kook, unpatriotic and being disrespectful to the dead. Not to mention, they get accused of talking to Shirley McClaine, hanging out at Area 51 or Waco or whatever pops into their mind. To me, launching wars without end as the result of lies, suspending all remnants of the Constitution, killing tens of thousands of innocents and harming tens of thousands of our troops to such a point they are never able to really return- that is much more disrespectful than me questioning the caveman theory, IMO. And to those that have a hard time seeing the things I see, well, okay, we agree to disagree about what we see.

I am obviously not a scientist, engineer or the like, so anything related to smelting temps, effects of such like that will be immediately discounted as uneducated. So proof in that manner is not likely. I do however question what I am told by 'authorities'. Politicians lie to cover their ass. Companies lie to avoid responsibilities for liabilities, and will pay massive settlements to not have to admit wrongdoing. History has shown us this time and time again, government and business have colluded to abuse their slaves. Many of the consumer protections laws, created in the 70s, were because of this fact. The US Constitution was created because of this fact. But that is practically gone now, which is why I question the official version of that horrific day. It is all gone BECAUSE of this event. SO I MUST ASK QUESTIONS- I will only offer possibilities to explain certain facts, with other facts. Obviously, this is ultimately built upon the concept that our government is not what we they tell us. The concept that profit, power and greed is the ultimate driving force within our government. - This is impossible due to the fact that demolition of a building takes massive planning, therefore could not have been planned that morning. Planning could have been done many years ago, when the asbestos problem was discovered. Implementation could be practiced, and a 'government hit team' would be only plausible group able to do this due to connections and materials needed to make it all work Yes, this could be accomplished by having the 'team' look like maintenance workers, the country wasn't at a heightened state of fear/awareness at that time. Wiring could be explained to most as lan/power/security cabling, and if thermite would have been used to cut the main beams and supports, This would explain pools of molten metal, especially where the core columns were due to the increased amounts needed in those areas. Placement of thermite cutting charges could be accomplished due to the fact that a W relative led the security management group for the towers. That could account for the access and placement of demo arguements. Demo companies have ALWAYS worked and demo'ed buildings MUCH smaller than the towers. Makes sense to me that demo'ing b1&2 from ground up could have TONS of potential problems from building falling over due to failed charges etc. Makes more send to use that mass from the upper floors to take the ones below. I don't recall seeing the upper floors intact when the dust settled? Wouldn't we see that? Each of the floors were reinforced concrete, so all that concrete would fall uniformly distributing weight evenly. when the upper floors fell and hit the floor, all that force would be distributed evenly to that next floor, right? THAT'S where the problem comes in. Is the core belief that to demolish the buildings, the demo charges would have been placed after the plane hit. I will agree that is impossible. I beleive our core difference on this issue is that you appear to completely trust your government and I don't? They have killed their own citizens many times before to reach some end goal, so why not now. Look at what was at stake! The "Patriot" Act- Be wary that the entire US Constitution is basically nullified at this point and yes, they can take anyone of us out at any time. (ends justifies the means, you know) . We need people demanding more truth, not defending deception I have to go-

There's many more and the numbers questioning the official story grow daily. When one position chooses to discredit someone else for one of their beliefs and thus relegating all of what they say as irrelevant, what are you really doing? Who is being closed minded? You didn't answer any of my questions yet mock me as a fool, while I treat you respectfully. And if you looked at a bunch of yoobtube videos of people dropping objects from high places, you'd be surprised at how similarly everything falls straight down. BEHOLD - the wondrous mystery that is gravity! Your response illustrates my point nicely. While you refused to address or acknowledge the point I was making (similarity in appearance of the collapse of towers/B7 and demolitions of comparable type buildings), you then claim I should watch videos of folks dropping things to see gravity at work. Hm. Is this your way of saying they don't look very similar to you or that you will never watch them and answer me? Now that you mention it though, if you have watched videos of folks dropping things, the things they fall at just about the same rate as the buildings in the video demolitions. Which again, also looks very similar to the videos of the building demolitions. They fell at the rate of gravity as well, but those buildings were demolished, unlike the towers... which officially collapsed due to fires Sorry can't say. Never seen it. As I said, I hate TV, rarely watch it. But when you answer my question about whether you believe in Santa, Spirit of, or just not perpetuating that lie, I will watch it and get back to you.

Sorry, Loose Change didn't come out on TV as truth. It came out on the internet. You tried to make a funny though, I'll give you that- Other than nature shows, what truth comes from the TV? Everything that comes out of the TV is classified as entertainment. Its not a library, you cant conduct any research using a TV. Nowadays, people use the Internet.... You have to sift through some BS, but we all know that the TV is totally full of BS. it is mostly advertising..

Patent Number 7555986 is for a "Thermite Charge" Use of thermite in the twin towers is the only plausible explaination as to how every single support on every floor below the area of impact collapsed simultaneously. I've heard the "pancake theory" which claims that the energy being transferred from floor to floor sheared off all support, resulting in no resistance, and that the hundreds of anchor points on each floor simultaneously failed as the top of the building slams into the next floor and the next. Every single support would have to of failed at the same time for this to occur. And this process didn't involve transferring of any energy of any kind- and no resistance? I thought I learned in physics that any resistance will slows objects to some degree? So the building collapse ended up looking just like a demolition due to this 'shearing' by a trillion ton force... If you simply watch many different demolitions of high rise structures available on u tube, you may be surprised how similar they all look. Ejecting debris, appearance of building sinking into the ground (all at the same speed), massive dust clouds. It looks so similar to the towers collapse- obviously you have to scale the clouds for the size differences. If I find time, I will put a compilation together of the demolitions, and upload it to u tube, but I doubt you would watch anyway. I also doubt anyone will search for demolition videos on google and see the similarities for themselves. Both sides of this issue oftentimes cover their ears and go "nah-nah-nah" when the other side is talking. Kind of the way the whole conservative/liberal political discussions go. The other side is ALWAYS wrong- and a bad person to boot! Also kinda reminds me of a small child's initial reaction to when they are told Santa Claus is a lie. I find it interesting that most of the folks who believe the "Official Version" of 9-11 have NEVER, EVER entertained the idea that it could not have happened that way- 1 perspective. They are usually war supporters and generally fear Muslims and being attacked by the "terrorists". The people who don't currently believe the "Official Version" of 9-11 in fact initially believed the "Official Version", but over time they examined it from other perspectives and changed what they then believe. True there is alot of weird and conflicting info, but no less than the "Official Investigation" and conflicts I have previously raised. They thought, as our Founding Fathers referred to, the enemy may come from within. I hear the official explanations of various events, but I have also learned I must be critical of what I am told. And I am terribly critical of the TV. We have movies that can make robots look real and computer programs that conduct thousands of stock trades per minute. I know many people and corporations will lie to cover their ass, their reputation, make a buck or preserve what they got. They don't like being called out and will ridicule, discount, discredit or mock anyone to help support the lie. Since this describes the typical politician, at all levels of government... oh well- you do know what thermite is now right? think it could explain pools of molten iron existing for weeks after the collapse? Molten steel? how hot is that? The patent says thermite can burn at temps from 10k-16k degrees F but typically at 4k. would seem a much more likely fuel for molten metal than chairs and rocket fuel, 3 months after the fact. I have also heard the explanation of the dripping molten aluminum from the planes was what was seen at the impact site. Since most of the fuel was visibly burned at impact, what was fueling the smelt of the aluminum siding and plane parts causing them to drip?? They said 1800 degree fires were fueling the molten aluminum? I just don't see that, sorry- its just not logical to me but I'm not a Vulcan. But you say that Thermite didn't exist in 2001? The patent was filed in 2006 right? By golly, your right! Checking referenced patents reveal patent number 5,698,812 which is for a thermite related destructive device, property of the Army, in 1997. Its the same stuff. burns at 4500F and potentially 3000c. I believe they may have modified patent 5,377,594 (1995) as a weapon for 5698812. Anyway, I doubt you will be moved by any of this. oh well- I just gotta ask- do you- still believe in Santa Claus or believe in the "Spirit of Santa" or do you just not believe in or perpetuate that lie at all? (mind you this question is not referencing Jesus birthday in anyway)

Good question- no answer! Especially since it is a know fact that asbestos was an "issue" in the house! Oooooooh, okay.. Thanks for clearing THAT one up- I had heard they found his Fighter Pilot License on top of the rubble and that was how they figured him out!! Pristine condition too! Okay wait, it musta fell out of his pocket when he ejected! Yeah, that's it!! To me the "sheeple" are those that sit in front of their TV glued to the results of Idol or Survivor, or runs out to buy the latest outfit they saw on some show or commercial, or get scared by the latest fear mongering the TV "news" is so known for. The sheeple allow the "TV Programming" to dictate how they think and act oftentimes, and don't realize it. They never question anything, and swallow practically everything that comes out of the TV as 'truth'. The "sheeple" ignore or justify the numerous injustices occurring in the world at the hands of these governments and corporations or use the argument "they started it" or 'it is necessary' or 'it for our security' or whatever, even if they are all lies. There is so much corruption in government and corporations overall, I believe it to be so much more extensive than we know about. Ultimately I think its just way too much for most folks to put their minds around. So much has surfaced regarding war defense contracts with exorbitant costs, improper billings, no moral obligations by the vendors, serving rotten food and contaminated water to our troops, using banned weapons and using our troops to test vaccines, etc. It is obvious this war is benefiting some well connected individuals and corporations while hurting everything and everyone else, ultimately creating more 'terrorists' because of the many atrocities committed in the name of "Freedom". We now know for a fact that the "Gulf of Tonkin" was a lie and ultimately led to the Vietnam war- We know for a fact our government openly and covertly intervenes in other country's personal affairs. We know JFK called out the controllers as those behind the curtain in a landmark speech, and he was assassinated not long afterward. Many others have as well have suffered his fate. We know that political lobbies are the strong arm of corporations and foreign countries (that can afford them) and these lobbies job is to shape favorable laws for their clients. What kind of laws would big corporations like to see? Laws that help them generate more profits as that is all that is important to the corporations- at the expense of the environment or labor force, its all for the good of profit. Viewed in this reference it would seem to me much more plausible that another "Pearl Harbor type event" was needed to bring about a permanent military presence in the middle east and the "new world order" (Bush 41 referred to the NWO in a speech on 9-11-90. bizarre date coincidence right? exactly 11 years later to the day, everything completely changes due to a "Pearl Harbor Type Event"- I find that odd to say the least, but I know- I wear tinfoil so that makes whatever I say, irrelevant. yeah yeah- that BS gets so old. Oh yeah, how long did W and crew say we would be in Iraq anyway? Did he say anything about massive, multi billion dollar embassies being built? In and out I thought was the line- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJgYxWhDDWc "Don't pull out! Don't pull out!" I guess was more like it Cheney admitting he is a member of the CFR, a Rockafeller created organization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg Anyone heard of a CAFR? Google it. (hidden set government books- VERY INTERESTING) I know I am too paranoid, and guilty of thread drift... oh well- have a nice day to you too! Oops one last thing: What security company that was in charge of security in the months preceding 9-11-01? (Hint it was a relative of Bush- another bizarre coincidence? wow, sure are a lot of those...)