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Some of those people down there are proclaimed members of Al Queda or however you spell it. Is that not enough? -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

there have been about 6 that have been charged thus far. And mor ewill come, yu have to be patient. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

i was talkig about Al Qaeda. And my opinion is just that opinion, it is not rule. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

Kev- just following orders does not mean what they did was right. If i order one of my troops to kill a civilain both me and him will be charger with murder and we would both be convicted. I know that doesnt work in your mind but that is what UCMJ says -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

says a good friend who just returned from a tour of duty down there, says my cousin who is stationed there, says the video released my the DOD, say me. I am not basing my assumptions on just what he says. I am basing it on what i have seen, and what i have read and heard through my unit. Im not shootin in the dark here. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

yes the military does have its own judicial system. It is called the Uniform Code of Military Justice. And rape is an extremly bad charge to have brought against you. At leat 20 years in prision if i remeber correctly... i could look it up if needed. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

"The truth is I can't tell you what laws should apply. I do know in my heart, that these people are entitled to due process. I think even the most hard-core of people arguing the opposite, know in their hearts that this is true. " i dont think the situation is lawless and i dont not feel bad for them down there. They decided to attack the US and they now have to pay the price. I do no think what your saying is true. I think they deserve to sit in prison and rot but thats my opinion. Now what the goverment is curretly doing is gaining as much intel from them as possible sorting the average joe pow from the enemy comatant. That is why some have been released. And the ones that are enemy combatants will be but on trial before a militayr tribunial which i wish i could be on. They are being treated extremly humainly, they are getting better treatmet then some of the prisonars within our prisions here in the US. They were involded in a terable act of terrorism and deserve to pay the price for it. President Bush is not taking htese people beating them tourting them and doing all kinds of things to these people that violate the genevia convention. They get 3 squares a day, showers, climate controlled cells, prayer matts, books, karanns, and even have their prayers played over a load speaker just like in any major islamic town. Some of these guys probly have it better where they are now then wehtre they were 3 years ago. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

dear lord i leave for a hour and it explodes in here. Ok so i know i am making great frineds in this room so i will make them better with this statment. The deceratino of indipendane was just that a decleration. It told england we are going to war with them and that we want our own freedom. It is not a document that our country is governed by. it does not issue civil liberties or civil rights. It is in its true essence a decleration of war. As for the pow thing... i think that the taliban soldgers should be keep at POWs, but i think that the terrists should be keep as enemy combatants. If i am not mistaken the taliban fighters held are pows but i may be wrong. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

once again i say the same thing those are the bill of rights for the people of the united states. Citizens, not some terrorist who was caught during a war. we are dealing with a differet set of laws here... UCJM, Genevia convention, and so on not the constitution of the UNited States. im off to class be back in a few hours -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

thats my fear... where are they now..... in the hands of terorists? maybe, on there way to the US for an atack on a major city? maybe. In another country with simular ideas of destruction of the US? maybe. I dont know and that scares me. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

I say this again and say and i tread lightly here... these people are not americans they do not have the civil rights ad liberites that we do. Will pediah i hope so or else his conviction will be over turned. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

the us citize in gitmo should be given council casue he is a citizen. Ill admit i forgot about him, but oh well. I seriously doubt that we are just keeping every average joe taliban fighter down there. we released a far number of them already and will do so again soon eough. The people who were directly involded will never be released, they weill be given a military tribunal and if found guilty they will be exicuted. i Opened a can of worms huh???? -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

im not sayi9ng that yall are guilty of anything i am just saying that all the intel pointed twards the fact that he had wmds. This point is hardly ever pointed out. It was the US's decission to go in to iraq, and we now have to carry the burden of the fact that we have not found WMD's. So it is on the US not canada or anyother country i was just saying that we were all wrong on the intel. the guilt by association thing was just focused twards the terrorists at camp Xray. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

dude the hk is a fine weapon and my personal favorate, but not for a newbie. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

as for the WMD thing i want to say one fast thing.... yes we were wrong but so was every other intelegence agency includgin france, canada, germany, england, spain, and lot of others. They all said that he had them. And if bush was wrong abiout them then so was clinton. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

hey goose as for the my opinion thing, thats the great thing about this country, you dont have to agree with it, and i dont have to agree with yours, but i have a right to have it and a right the express it. With that said i totaly disagree with you, however i respect your opinion and i am glad you are free to have it. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

i hate to say it like this and i know i am goign to get majorly flamed, but it is guilt by association. They were associated with 911 and inreturn they are guilty. Did the prisionors plan it, probly not, did they do it, no, but did they support the people who did it, yes, and did they help them, yes. The fact is that they were all involved, and those who are guilty of the direct crimes, or war crimes will be punished appropratly. Also you have to concider if this person was to be released would they present a clear and present danger to the United States? These people are not americans, they hate the US and they want to destroy it. They are extremist and if they can not change then then need to be caged. My opinion..... -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

i dont think the average joe could put up those numbers with a revolver. Not to mention what was the spread like on that cause i can just spray bullets as fast as i can pull the tirger. as for shooting accurate, thats why we train. When you traing hard you ca perform in the heat of the moment. I am not trainged to just put buttlets down range, i am trainged to shoot with accuracy. I have never shot someone so i can not say that i will not do it accuratly, but i know with every bit of my training that i have used that what you train in what you do. This is just my opinion on th revolver so dont get all worked up about it, just my opinion and my experiences. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

pajarito- i am assuming you are in the servie are were i the servce due to your knowledge and a few of your statments. Well so am i, but anywyas. The thing we have to remeber is that we are to freaking nice!!! As americans we are blessed to haev the rights that we have, aka speech, representation, and a right to a freaking trian and we have become acoustome to those things. So the the average joe american they assume that we are going to give those rights to all people, even our enemys. Generaly speaking of course i think that they should all be locked up and have the key thrown away. But that is my opinion.... so just wantedto throw my .02 out there. Blue Skys -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

so what your 23 i am 20 and have loads of trainign and teach people how to shoot. I -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

thats good info and i would liek to add one thing. I would also stay away fomr the revolver for the same reason preatty much.... it takes a long time to pull that trigger and when it come down to it you want something that is goig to fire fast. With that long draw of the revolver you are going to actually pull the weapon to the right or left a little causeing your shoot to be off. When your using a 2 inch barrel this chould mean life or death in a resure situation. So basically i would say get the automatic. I am not a fan of glock, just my personal preferance and i have been trained on a berreta and can shoot it better than the glock. I dont own one besides the one that was issued to me however. The best thing is to go shoot several and find out what you like and what you feel comfortable with, casue when it all boils down you are the one that has to pull that triger when someone is coming after you. Blue Skys -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

awsome dude i did the same 2 weeks ago. It only gets better man!!!! Blue skys and be safe -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

yeah i have heard that too about the hollow points with police. But i have been told by a friend who is an officer that they uses hollow points for if the get into close quarters shoot out casue the hollow points will not richrichade (way of on spelling sorry) around like ball will.... just what i have been told dont know if i believe it or not..... -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

me and cops dont get along when it comes to the interstate..... for some reason when i see 70 it looks like 90..... oh well Blue Skys -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

the .40 is a nice choice but may be to much to handle if you are not trained properly.... -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.