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You know, that is something I have never thought of...until today of course.

I wonder what the tonnage of CO2 we(humans) expel annually into the atmosphere.
Something to the effect of:
Take the average Adult lung capasity. Figure the world population is 75% fully grown, so you need to figure out an average lung capasity of chidren and use that for 25% of the 6 Billion on earth. Figure out the density of our exhaled gasses and what percentage of that is CO2. Multiply it by the molecular weight (or mole weight..can't remember) and come up with some figure.

Anyone up for it?

This much I know...
I exhale an average of 20 times per minute = 1200 times/ hour = 28,800 per day = 10,519,200 times per year.

it is a start.

I would argue the ramifactions are not "Huge", and I don't think it is the Job of the Federal Govenment to pay out Billions in MY tax dollars based on a Theory some greenies have. If they dirty crunchy hippies had their way, we would all be dead. After all we exhale CO2

You STILL haven't answered the question...
But nice try dodging it.

THE ARTICLE WAS ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS BREAKING INTO EGYPT. [B]HOW IS THAT DEFENDING THEIR HOMELAND?

I hardly call bum rushing the Egyption border "Defending their homeland"
Do you?

That is true no one (including me) really KNOWS.
But the happy green people of the world are convinced they KNOW.

And that is why you can not argue with them...

See, obiously it CANT be those palestinians... They are the victims (sarcasm).
They finally get the jews to agree on a peace deal and begin to pull out. And what is the first thing they do???

Go into EGYPT and try to claim that land.
Typical...

As to the comment about Canada...
Doesn't surprise me in the least. Hey maybe with the canadian $$$ they can stop throwing rocks now... Maybe they could buy some sling shots!!!!

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I am in research meteorology with MIT,

What else could warm ocean waters?

Look at the ALbedo of the earth...
Gases do not "Warm up" the H2O. Gasses instead trap solar radiation from reflecting back into space, and indirectly cause the atmoshere to warm up. As the atmosphere warms, the H20 and earth surface warm.

That is no theory... that is fact.
The Big GW debate is on the exact cause of the "Greenhouse Effect"

The ironic thing however, is that GW leads directly to Global Cooling...
It is also a fact that wamer waters do lead to larger Hurricanes. I wouldn't dispute that. A hurricane in some sense is simple a mechanism for nature to balance energy. Hurricanes are giant Heat transport systems. They divert a build up of energy from the tropics northward toward the poles (or south ward in the southern hemisphere.

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Some researchers, however, question the connection with more severe hurricanes and cyclones. Gerry Bell, the lead seasonal hurricane forecaster at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said the rise in strong hurricanes reflects a natural weather pattern spanning several decades. Hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean were more powerful in the 1950s and '60s, weakened in the 1970s, '80s and early '90s, and have strengthened again since 1995.

"It's not linked to global warming or anything like that," Bell said. "This is normal climate variability. It's just that this trend lasts for decades."

I know your in the field Kallend, but so am I.
I am in research meteorology with MIT, and I don't think at this point it is possible to Link GW with our current Hurricane situation as Robert Kennedy Jr. did two weeks ago.
All the data point to long term cycles which span times well before the Industrial revolution. It is hard for me and many in my field to think that man made GW was occurring in the mid 1800's.

I am not going to get going on the GW discussion again, but there are a few things to point out.

1) this is a hot topic that sells well right now... a little media sensationalism. Much like the shark attacks a few years ago in FLA. Shit you would have thought it was the worst shark attack season ever in FL turns out...it was slightly below average, but the media picked up on it.
2) We (the earth) is still coming out of the last Ice Age... not shit the Earth is warming slightly whether we were here or not it would be.

I wonder if anyone thought... hey maybe its those damn palestinians that are the problem.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1132019

That and also the fact tha I am sure you know her Bra and panty size....

Oh yeah, no masterbating in the morning while watching fox OK... It will cause blindness 2 fold. Not to mention hairy palms.

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Karlton said he was bound by precedent of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which in 2002 ruled in favor of Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow that the pledge is unconstitutional when recited in public schools.

OK, you are a lawyer type... Didn't the last case get overturned (due to lack of standing of Newdow) by the SCOTUS? And since the 9th's ruling was overturned, there is no precedent to bind the judge, right?

J

There wasn't really precedent, however, Newdow didn't have custody of his daughter, and the mother did. THe mother said He could not represent her. He then really had no case...

So this time he went out and found 3 anonomous families with kids to join the fight.
Sad that he is an athiest, his daughter a Christian, and he USED her to try to win a fight for his own cause.

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Did you know she was born in Kathmandu Napal?

Yes I did. Here are some facts about her.

"Kiran" is Nepalese for "rays of sunshine."

She was born in Kathmandu, Nepal.

She grew up in Gaithersburg, Maryland.

She received a B.A. in broadcast journalism from the University of Maryland’s College of Journalism.

Her first appearance on Fox News was March 8, 2001.

She has a Boston Terrier named Herman

I think if Kiran were smart... she would talk with LAWROCKET and get the restraining order against you now before it is too late

Question.... After allegations of abuse by MPs and Gaurds at GITMO were put forth by an interegator, an investigation into those claims of abuse was initiated...

Am I right so far?

That investigation found what?
a) they were abusing/torturing prisioners
or
b) The allagations of abuses were untrue

I think it is a pretty straight forward article.
THey went there to investigate allegations of abuse
by guards and MPs. WHat they found instead was
an interogator who was trying to befriend the enemy and betray his own men.
Which further leads to the conclusion that the stories of abuse were false....
Instead you have a single interogator causing all the problems.

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Yea no kidding.

There is so much spin in the no spin zone

But, you can not use the O'reilly factor when as any sort of basis for "News Bias"
O'reilly is not a News anchor and his show is not a News show and more than Larry King, or Donny Deutch.

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I just wanted to add that Kiran Chetry is my favorite newscaster. She is on from 6am-7am eastern standard time. Everyone should watch her. She is very informative. I'm just waiting for her to do a Sharon Stone Basic Instinct leg cross thing.

See her here...

http://images.google.com/images?q=Kiran+Chetry&hl=en

Did you know she was born in Kathmandu Napal?

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Below buried in this article you will see what investigators found after over one year... "An investigating officer, however, found no evidence of abuse by the guards."

Rereading the article, it sounds to me like this investigation was focused and specific to allegations brought forth by a single interrogator. If that's the case, then the above conclusion pertains only to those specific allegations, and not to GITMO's operations in general.

Note that when allegations like these are made, they must be very specific. "They do this sorta thing all the time," does not prompt an investigation. Dates and times and participants in specific incidents are detailed and investigated. If evidence is found that the incidents did, in fact, take place and that there is potential for there to be a trend, then the investigation usually continues in that direction.

Is this the case here, or was this particular investigation comprehensive? Anyone? Bueller?

Simply read the FIrst line of the article:
A U.S. inquiry into alleged abuse at Guantanamo uncovered a climate of deep distrust between military police and interrogators

It was an inquire into alleged abuse by (PLURAL) Interrogators.
The article does go on to describe wha tthey found out about a few specific ones, but the investigation dates back to March 04 after abuse claims were made.

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Yeah, right, so why did the President say that the response was not good enough and take some responsibility for it.
I guess GWB does not read the post gazette.

Funny... Bush says something and you believe him because it favors your opinion. Bush says something else which you don't agree with and he is (Pick one) A lier, racist, moron, hawk, murderer...

good double standard :-)



Personally, I still believe it is the fault of
1) THe people who could leave and chose not to
2) Local Government.... THe Mayor has proven himself incompetent.
3) State Government ... The Gov is also a moron and incompetent.

A while back some liberals on this site weret alking about abuse and toture at GITMO. Some simply made things up, some said it was "Well documented" etc....

Below buried in this article you will see what investigators found after over one year... "An investigating officer, however, found no evidence of abuse by the guards."

But of course many here won't believe that.
Many too will simply change the subject away from what this post is intended for ... Claims of torture at GITMO.

So, what say you now?

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By BEN FOX, Associated Press Writer Tue Sep 13, 5:30 PM ET
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - A U.S. inquiry into alleged abuse at Guantanamo uncovered a climate of deep distrust between military police and interrogators, who were accused during the probe of giving terror suspects personal information about their guards.
The MPs suspected interrogators gave their names and

Social Security numbers to prisoners in exchange for intelligence, according to the investigation, which recommended that a senior interrogator be relieved of duty for "failure to know his enemy."

The interrogator "sees himself as a hero for the detainees, and against the MPs, on a crusade in the battle of the MPs against the detainees," one investigator wrote in the report on the inquiry that The Associated Press obtained under a Freedom of Information lawsuit.
The report recommended military authorities look further into the disclosure of MP information to detainees. Guantanamo officials didn't respond to repeated questions about the investigation, including whether the interrogator — a military officer — was relieved of duty or whether the prison camp instituted any reforms in response to the findings.
The investigation began in March 2004, when the same interrogator claimed military police had abused detainees at the high-security camp in eastern Cuba, where the United States holds about 500 men captured in its war on terror.
The interrogator claimed that guards mistreated a suspected al-Qaida member by not allowing him to use the bathroom immediately after a five-hour interrogation and that at other times withheld food and turned the temperature down on a cell to 52 degrees as punishment.
An investigating officer, however, found no evidence of abuse by the guards.
The investigator faulted the interrogator instead — recommending he be relieved of his duties for reasons that included a "failure to know his enemy," the "unfounded" allegations against the guards and "the noted possibility that he suffers from Reverse Stockholm Syndrome."
Stockholm Syndrome is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages develop a bond with their captors. The most often-cited example is the heiress Patty Hearst who helped rob banks with the radicals who kidnapped her in 1974.
The MPs said in sworn statements that they suspected interrogators may have been trading the names and Social Security numbers of guards to get intelligence in return.
"I believe that some of the interrogators would do whatever it takes to gather that, including giving out some MP's personal information," said a guard from the 258th Military Police company who said he was concerned because some detainees had a "deep hatred" for him.
The investigator, after talking to guards, said: "All expressed concerns for the secrecy of their personal information and the safety of their families."
The situation was so bad that an investigator said two guards were "petrified" of disclosing their name, rank and Social Security numbers on Privacy Act statements during the probe.
"They both pushed away from the table with a look of horror on their faces and told the investigating officers that this information was provided to the detainees by the interrogators," the military investigator wrote.
The MPs said personal property of detainees that had been confiscated was sometimes returned to prisoners with the Privacy Act statements of guards who handled the belongings. The detainees told the guards that it was interrogators who gave them the documents.
Nearly 100 detainees have been released since the investigation, but it's unknown if any of those who have been freed had received information about the guards.
At Guantanamo, allegations of inappropriate ties between the largely Muslim detainees and their military and civilian handlers have surfaced before.
Troops had alleged that Ahmad I. al-Halabi, an Arabic translator for the Air Force who was convicted last year of mishandling documents at the base, and Army Capt. James Yee, a Muslim chaplain who was cleared of espionage charges, had also sympathized with detainees.
Suspicion of Muslim personnel by non-Muslims wasn't uncommon, said Donald Rehkopf Jr., the lawyer for al-Halabi, who had more serious espionage charges dropped in a plea deal.
"There was a lot of conflict between the Muslim linguists and the cadre of MPs down there," he told the AP. "It was a total lack of cultural awareness."
It isn't known whether the March 2004 probe involved a Muslim interrogator. Military censors blacked out names and other identifying details in the report. He was described as a regional team chief in charge of interrogators handling detainees from an undisclosed part of the world.
In his sworn statement, the interrogator alleged that it was the guards who allowed detainees to overhear sensitive information. He also said he was told MPs had conducted an "unauthorized cell search" at midnight and "openly talk" about harassing detainees.
"The majority of the ... personnel, especially the reservists, are consummate professionals," the interrogator said. "Those few that dispense information (even inadvertently), who harass detainees, and act in an altogether unprofessional manner, undermine the mission ... and do a disservice to those who work hard to do a good job."
The investigator, though, sided with the MPs and developed a harsh opinion of the interrogator, calling him immature and "driven by ego," according to the report.

And what are you basing your facts on... Canadian Liberal Media?

Maybe not but the fact that it was reported by:
The LA Times
Boston Globe
NY Times
CNN
And Fox

Probably means there is some truth to it.

well documented...

The Pres gave the Gov the go ahead...
Unfortunately the Pres can't do anything without
the Govenors permission.
She said... give me 24hrs to decide.

24hrs....?

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She refused for the federal government to take control, she did not refuse their help.

read beyond the sensationalizing headline...

At that time the State of Emergency had already been issued and FEMA and other federal organizations should have been in full operation....even if the federal government did not have overal control of the evacuation.

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Monday, Sept. 5, 2005 11:38 p.m. EDT

Mayor Nagin: Gov. Blanco Delayed Rescue

After days of blaming the federal officials for not responding quickly enough to the Hurricane Katrina crisis, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin praised President Bush on Monday - and charged that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco had delayed federal rescue efforts by 24 hours.

"I'm so happy that the president came down here," Nagin said of Bush's Friday visit to Louisiana in an interview with CNN. "He came down and saw it, and he put a general on the field. His name is General Honore. And when he hit the field, we started to see action."

But Nagin had harsh words for his state's leaders, telling CNN: "What the state was doing, I don't frigging know. But I tell you, I am pissed. It wasn't adequate."

The New Orleans Democrat said he urged Bush to meet privately with Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco during the visit. The meeting took place aboard Air Force One, he said.

After reviewing the crisis with Gov. Blanco, Bush summoned Nagin for a private chat - where, according to Nagin, Bush explained: "Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor. I said . . . I was ready to move today. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision."

Reacting to the governor's footdragging, Nagin lamented: "It would have been great if we could have left Air Force One, walked outside, and told the world that we had this all worked out."

"It didn't happen, and more people died."

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What request?
What evidence do you have?

The letter sent by governor Blanco to the president through the Regional FEMA office as per the Stafford Act.

I mean, you are so vocal about them not asking for assistance that I am assuming you actually checked this wasn't done right?!?!?

try google....

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unday, Sept. 4, 2005 12:47 p.m. EDT

Gov. Kathleen Blanco Refused Bush Aid

Though her state has been devastated by Hurricane Katrina and thousands are believed dead in New Orleans, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco has refused to allow the federal government to take control of evacuation efforts.

"Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans," the Washington Post reported in Sunday editions.

Gov. Blanco's office rejected the request, the paper said - concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law.

The Louisiana Democrat had also failed to use more than a hundred school buses parked near the Superdome to transport stranded citizens who didn't have the means to obey earlier evacuation orders.

After the 17th Street Levee broke on Tuesday, the buses were rendered usless by rising flood waters.

State and federal officials also told the Post that Gov. Blanco did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday - more than 24 hours after New Orleans descended into chaos.

Gov. Blanco Refused .... Let me say that again so you understand... REFUSED to listen to the advice of the President when he told her she should order a Mandatory Evacuation on Saturday.

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There is information that the state and local officials did not ask for assistance from the Federal government. For Bush to have mobilized FEMA and other forces, i.e., National Guard, would have been an unconstitutional usurpation of power.

The request was made on August 27th, prior to the hurricane hitting. The state of emergency was declared on August 27th as well by the president, all under the Stafford Act.

The paperwork was all done, procedures were followed, just the action part didn't work out. That part is the POTUS and his department heads....

What request?
What evidence do you have?