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  1. 19 hours ago, Cola said:

    I don't think they could have made a run for it, honestly it took till 6:24 to confirm the passengers were loaded on a bus. During that time the crew was freaking out over the passengers just milling about the airplane, the fuel truck and active runways.

    Further, Coops initial instructions were for the crew to remain seated. According to Tina’s 2nd interview Coops reiterated this to her when she went to get the parachutes.

     

    When Tina returned to the jetliner she noted placing the parachute in the seat next to Cooper this suggest to me that he was seated and possibly he was watching the door with his hand still inside the case while she went to a fro.

    I have spent the time with the records but don’t care to lay out and post every movement of the stews beyond what has been put down by Sluggo. For me I don't think there is any further warmth that could be brought to the case "today" in covering and recreating at an intuition, assertion, and reference level where the girls were or weren't and what the opportunities of escape could have been.

     

     

     

    All good on this, it's a good discussion.  It's hard putting it all back together 50+ years later.  It just comes down to whether or not he made an amateur type of mistake.    If so, that could be used as part of the profile when looking at a particular suspect.  

    Anyway, here is the latest from Dr. Edwards....he's on the hunt for those Air America jumpers:

    https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/24695578-d-b-cooper-and-flight-305-last-name-unknown

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  2. 18 hours ago, Cola said:

    Yes he had the mistake of leaving the stairs truck in place, he should have pulled the truck once Tina completed her last run. Then hooked it back up for the departure of Flo and Alice.

    This was something Cooper could have been able to pickup from Cini but missed. Cini collected his ransom by lowering a rope from the aircraft and hauling it the 20 feet. Cini was more cautious in this regard not using a stairs truck initially.    

    Thats Cooper's on the ground mistake IMO.

    That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that i.e. by leaving the air stairs in place, you left an entry point open for a possible law enforcement attack.   

    What I was thinking of is related to the sequence of Tina retrieving the money and chutes.  While I am not sure if this is agree upon as cannon, it has been discussed that Copper failed to keep human collateral when he allowed Tina to go get the back packs.  The passengers and other stewardesses were already gone I believe. So he was alone by himself, which is a careless and fatal game over mistake.  It's almost as bad a mistake as Cini putting the axe down for the pilots to pick it up and beat the snot out him.  In theory, Tina and the pilots could have simply bugged out and left him on the plane for the police to take him down one way or another.   

    Again, I am not sure if this has been 100% validated or not.  

  3. 19 hours ago, olemisscub said:

    That said, I think there is a very, very real possibility that Cooper was CIA adjacent at some point in his life, likely through Air America. He fits the mold very well of their middle aged renegade pilots who flew in Vietnam. As I said in the show, I came across a news article from 1972 where a guy said the average age of Air America pilots was 43 years old. These guys were mercenaries. They risked their lives for profit. So, Cooper would have been used to this sort of dangerous game. 

    The fact that Air America dropped men and material out of 727's with 15 degree flaps and gear down is almost too coincidental to believe. 

    I like this profile you describe as well, the smart goon so to speak.   It allows for someone who had experience and operational knowledge, which can explain why Cooper was generally calm and poised, and executed what appears to have been a relatively well thought out plan.  But  since he wasn't necessarily a classically trained spook, it also allows for someone who was capable of making a mistake, which he may have made while on the ground at Seatac. 

    If I am not mistaken, Dr. Edwards last DB Cooper related good reads post indicated that he is also trying to drill into the identity of the people involved in Civil/Southern Air Transport and  Air America programs.    

  4. 21 hours ago, olemisscub said:

     

     

    Always enjoy Bruce, as well as these videos you are doing Ryan.

    I just find the narrative that the CIA/Deep State had to orchestrate this DB Copper Hijacking for the sole purpose to get more air port security a little silly, i.e. metal detectors in air ports or requiring more information from passengers to fly.  

    Why on earth would they need to do this ?  There were already so many hijackings, wouldn't those already be enough reason ?  The government enacts laws and strong arms private industry all the time without the need for covert operations as trigger point.

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  5. On 3/19/2024 at 8:42 PM, The Cooper Vortex said:

    New Episode out now! DB Cooper's Bomb with Sergeant Major Mike Vining, US Army Retired. 

    https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-coopers-bomb-sargent-major-mike-vining-us-army-retired/

    Enjoy!

    I'm a little behind, so catching up on some of these episodes now...

    First let me say that Sergeant Major Mike Vining is a class act. Not only is he an explosives expert, but he also had sky diving background, you couldn't ask for more as a guest.  He tended to drift off the topic of the bomb a little, Darren did a nice job trying to refocus him.   He did leave me wanting a little more..in particular, I wish he spoke a little more on whether the description of the bomb indicated the presence of the blasting caps he kept bringing up or not.  (I guess it didn't) 

    I was a little shocked when he said he knew people who jumped out of 727s, I was hoping he was going to go into that a little more.  How could he possibly have known ?  Was he saying he was familiar with the Air America stuff, I thought that was all top secret ?  

    Before I listened to this episode, (I actually listened to it 3 times), I was of the belief that:

    - The bomb was most likely fake

    - That Cooper had some military background in explosives

    After listening, based on what Sergeant Mike said about the size of the battery, the lack of "dynamite" wording on the sticks, and his comments on the seemingly amateur and senseless trigger mechanism of having to touch two wires together, I am still in "the bomb was fake" camp. But I no longer feel that Cooper had a background in explosives.  I think it was a bluff 100% of the way, he only needed to convince the stewardesses and the brief case bomb may have been right out hollywood central casting for this purpose.  I think Fly posted about the movie "Airport" from 1970 where there was a brief case bomb, maybe that was an inspiration?   

    On a side note, was the question of whether he was suicidal or not and how that is tied to the question of the bomb being real or fake.  I don't necessarily think one implies the other. While he did say that he wouldn't be taken alive, this could have been a bluff as well.  But even if it was not, I don't get the vibe that he was willing to take everyone with him.  Maybe he had a pistol in the bag or even the brief case that he would have used to go down swinging so to speak.  Anyway, all conjecture and subjective on my part.

    Question to Oldmiss, were any of the other copy cats suicidal or willing to actually take the plane and the passengers out if they didn't get their money ?

     

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  6. 10 minutes ago, Cola said:

     

    Good thought on taste in music being formed by ones 20's. I think we all add songs in our repertoire well into our 50's but our taste are set by our 20's.

    I think Coops was a Midwest - depression era child. Country and folk seemed to be on the rise in the 40's - 50's so my imagination would like to place Woody Guthrie Dust Bowl Ballads in Coops record collection maybe later in life he added some Johnny Cash. Who knows - a touch of melancholy, The rebel, all kinds of folksiness come to mind when I think on Coops.

     

    Yes, agreed no question a criminal act.  Think on that, and I'll put another provocation question out on Friday. 

    Great points, I love the Midwest dust bowl angle and Johnny Cash suggestion is good one.

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  7. · Edited by JAGdb

    For tongue and cheek, I'll throw out Leaving on Jet Plane by John Denver....

    But as far as what music he listened to, it was a little tougher than I thought.  I was trying to figure out what music he was listening to as he was coming of age.  For me, I think I was set in my musical ways or taste by my late 20s.  If he was born roughly between 1920 and 1930, that puts him in his mid late 20s roughly between 1945 to 1955ish time frame.  So that kind of spans a dramatic shift in music from the end of the big band and crooner era into the early rock and roll era.  

    In the end, I am going to go with the style of music that was more popular when he was younger man.  I think I can kind of see him listening to some "Old Blue Eyes"....I'm going with Sinatra. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if before he left for "the job", he dropped the needle on a little "My Way" !  He certainly did this job his way....

     

    By the way, this is all in good fun, I know he was a criminal and I don't mean to romanticize him like a hero or something.  Maybe some day we will find out just who he was !!!

     

  8. 13 hours ago, Cola said:

    O-ya the Doors they're good too ...

     

    Any one want to entertain the provocation of what kind of music Coop's listened to and why?

     

    My take on the Blues is...

    Aww geez Dontcha know, if Tina were spot on and Coops had mid-western sensibilities then - for crying out loud - his taste would have evolved worlds away from the blues.

    (Aww geez ,Dontcha know, crying out loud - that's Minnesotan wholesome slang)

     

    Anyone have any songs that bring Coops to mind?

     

    This is a fun question and it requires a little bit of thought...

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  9. 3 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

    I desperately seek to never be the "I have access to something you don't" guy, but I've got Benzedrine 100% confirmed straight from Tina's mouth. There's no need to debate the veracity of whether Cooper did or didn't have it. He absolutely did. It'll be in my book. Again, I apologize for being like that as I always try to share my data, but I did think I could at least help save us all from having to speculate about the Bennies. 

    No apology necessary, that's a great update and thanks for sharing !!! I think it is an important part of the suspect profile puzzle !

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  10. · Edited by JAGdb

    14 hours ago, Cola said:

     

    In all of the 302's a reference to Benzedrine only occurs one time in the records from a Newspaper article in the Oregonian on November 30th - 71 quoting Rataczak.

    Rataczak is quoted making reference to a conversation Tina held with Cooper, where Coops made the request for food and indicated he had stimulants / Benzedrine for the crew.

    The Portland office clipped the article, but there no indication that the article was shared with other field offices. There is nothing in the 302's indicating that this detail was followed up on and if  Tina, Rataczak or the Author were contacted to verity Coops indeed offered pills, stimulants or Benzedrine to the crew.

    Although, it is always a possibility that any sharing of the article was pulled from the 302's being a duplicate copy and that within the 302's a record indicating this was followed up on or verified has yet to be released. Maybe it was just jotted down in agent notes and not added to the interviews. Who knows. 

    Rataczak does make mention of Cooper having "some pills" in his NWO historical interview but he is prompted by the audience on this detail and affirms without ident. of Benzedrine specifically.

    I try only to read 302's so I can't speak to this being referenced in either Tosaw's or Grey's book. Maybe someone else that has read these would care to chime in.

    My doubt on this is that, had Coops offered pills to Tina, you woudl think she would have relayed this to Bill or a crew member directly. Bill's Oregonian quote comes off as second hand as if he had not heard this directly from Tina during the event but that it had been relayed to him after the fact. Further doubt on this is that the flight transcripts, handwritten notes and none of the witness interviews make mention of pills - stimulants or Benzedrine being offered to the crew. 

     

    part 54 pg. 23008 

     

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    Thanks for the response Cola.  The reason the Benzedrine anecdote is interesting to me:

    1) I think it is part of the pilot/military/aviation discussion.  Military personnel, particularly pilots were issued Benzedrine for long missions.  By 1971 I understand that amphetamines were common knowledge and in use among the public, but I still think if he did indeed offer them that it has it's root in mission based preparedness from prior military/aviation experience.   

    2) From a strategic aspect, Cooper brought it up for one of two reasons:

    - To really be used as an aid to the long flight to Mexico.

    Or

    - As a way to make everyone think they were in it for the long haul while he planned to exit the plane as quickly as possible and give himself a better chance at getting away.

    I did a little bit of digging, just to kind of close the loop, found this article from Bruce back in 2013 where he says:

    " According to Tosaw and Gray, Cooper also brought several tablets of Benzedrine to keep the crew alert."

    https://themountainnewswa.net/2013/02/06/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-who-was-cooper-what-is-known/

    In the Vortex, Gray has been a somewhat well respected source.  I believe he had cooperation from the FBI for his book and access to the FBI files and evidence.  So he must have got it from this access.

    Tosaw was FBI, so he had access to everything.

    But as you mentioned, other than a news article, it is nowhere in the FBI files that have been released yet.  To your point, how could it not be ?  If it was part of any of the stewardess testimony, it should be all over that portion of FBI files. 

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  11. 5 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

    For those who listened to the Barb/Clara podcast. I’m curious to get your impression of what 97% match means. Marty has already explained, but I’d like to get other impressions. Do you compare it to something like a .970 batting average or 97% free throw percentage or 97% chance that a King high straight flush will win on the river  Kind of in your own words.

    The DZ group for all its disagreement, does seem to have the most concentrated group of more experienced/educated etc. individuals. Higher ed is represented here, and even if not, there are mostly bright people here, even if we don’t all like eachother. And a good amount of you are not on the FB group. 

    Full disclosure, I have no background in the discipline of Stylometry. 

    But my immediate take on this topic is that the sample size is too small.  Could comparing one small letter be enough to draw the conclusions that were being made?  Questions popping into my head like if you took 100 or 1000 other comparable sized control letters and compared them to the same group of Barb's letters, would you get any other similar results i.e. 97% certainty.  Other questions I have are more generic to Stylometry and false positive statistics?  How does it compare to a DNA match which is typically 99% accurate ?  What are the odds of two people writing in a similar way both structurally and using a similar vocabulary catalog ?

    I think more work needs to be done to validate the initial test.

    One of the things I missed in the Youtube video, was how or why Barb Dayton became the target of the Stylometry exercise in the first place.  I am going to go back and watch it again.

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  12. Ryan, good discussion on Youtube the other day regarding whether or not Cooper was a pilot, Pat had some very insightful points in favor, Jersey girls brings it ! (couldn't really hear the lady from New Zealand very well). 

    You guys touched on the fact that he seemed to not realize that flying dirty would limit the range of the air craft and make a non stop flight to Mexico impossible. This is what has always given me some pause as well, if he was a pilot with any substantial experience, you would think he should have known that.  I am in the camp that he just wanted to get the plane flying south also, and may not have really cared about ever getting to Mexico.  However, I am still not sure this dismisses him not anticipating that he might get called out on his request for a non stop flight to Mexico.  

    Another less frequent item brought up by Pat I believe was the Benzedrine. I may have asked this before, but what is the origin of this ?  Was it in the FBI files or did it come from Tosaw or Grey ?

    Unrelated to the pilot question, you guys also touched on one of his biggest blunders that could have done him in.  That being where he seems to have allowed for an opportunity for everyone to bug out and leave him on the plane by himself at Seatac.   As well as he seems to have planned out the "job", he wasn't perfect...but as they say, sometimes it's better to be lucky.  When I think about this, I wonder would Braden have made that mistake ?

    BTW, here is the latest from Dr. Edwards in case folks haven't seen it yet:

    https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/24580716-d-b-cooper-and-flight-305-lou-rucker

    He seems to be trying to get some of the names and details for the people that were jumping out of the 727s for Air America/Southern Air Transport.  There was a blurb in the last FBI doc which indicates that the FBI was looking into a tip for someone who fit the hijacker's description and was part of these jumps:

    [Redacted] has close associate known to [redacted] (LNU) [Last Name Unknown] of Ft. Hood, Texas, [redacted] at same time in nineteen sixty-four. [Redacted] made numerous sport jumps from rear of military equivalent to Norjak plane [Boeing 727-51]. Jumps were made from rear door in exactly same manner as unsub [unidentified subject] in instant matter. Also made numerous night jumps. [Redacted] described [redacted, four letters] (LNU) as being white male, olive complexion, five feet eleven inches, one seventy-five lbs., well educated, chain smoker, age [redacted], excellent sky diver from mid west.
    ... [Redacted] Portland, Oregon at telephone number [redacted] was shown composite of unsub [unidentified subject] and feels it would bear remarkable likeness to [redacted, four letters] (LNU) after having aged six or seven years.”

     

     

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  13. 7 hours ago, georger said:

    what is the source of all of this 'new testing new dna tests' ? Is there a source or is this all hallucination / media gobble wobble ?

    Why do people spreading rumors never post a source ?  (because its all rumor and falsehoods ?)

    My post is pure speculation and wishful thinking based on the article from the Sun:

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/10410179/db-cooper-fbi-investigating-dna-richard-mccoy/

    There is nothing official that the FBI has new DNA. 

     

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  14. 2 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

    It would be great if the FBI tested the spindle or the lines. I can see them doing the spindle because of all the press, but the lines discussion was mainly within the Vortex, and I wonder if the FBI would have gotten word that DNA would be on the lines where Cooper held to make his cuts. It would be amazing if they did find that slide through OleMiss’s FOIA. 
     

    It is odd that Rick McCoy gave his DNA. I hope that is due to new testing. 
     

    Here is my issue. If the FBI has new DNA and they do the old STR testing, then we are reliant on sending in a suspect’s DNA or their family member’s. This is essentially a needle in a haystack approach. We basically have to find a suspect within the male population and right age range and hope they are the guy. Unless we are very lucky and actually have the guy, this just may never get us anywhere, unless by some stroke of luck he’s in CODIS. I bet Cooper is not in CODIS. 

    It would be good if they do the SNP testing and then they can load it into the genealogy databases. I don’t know of any non murder or rape cases that have used SNP yet, but this was a violent crime and should qualify. 
     

    The DNA is all great, but if it is not Cooper’s DNA then we have to hope the DNA is someone he knew and at least gives us a person and a location.

    I can see the tie not being his, but given there may have been a tie pin with a logo removed, that would indicate to me that maybe he felt the tie could identify him.

    I remain a little skeptical that Gryder’s YouTube  or Eric’s lawsuit are the reason for this activity.  I hope I’m wrong.

     

    Just my two cents, but in last year or so, perhaps it was in the interview he did with Bruce, Larry Carr had cast a lot of doubt on the FBI's original partial DNA that they had derived back in the early 2000s. (even though we know that they were using it for quite some time to eliminate some suspects)

    This leads me to believe that they have recently conducted new DNA testing, whether it be on the shroud lines, the tie spindle, perhaps the hair slide, or something else and they now have a much better result, perhaps a full profile ?

    In addition, I wonder if they were able to compare the new DNA result to the older partial and perhaps determine if it is congruent or not ?  That would be really interesting...

    Based on the recent news that McCoy's son has given a sample, I guess this implies that they never tested McCoy's DNA against the original partial DNA profile they had back in the early 2000s ?

     

     

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  15. 3 hours ago, Andrade1812 said:

    Rick looks and sounds convincing. He's saying he heard his mother confess to helping with the Cooper hijacking and he offered physical evidence. It's also possible that the current people at the FBI simply don't know the results of the investigation into McCoy in 72.

    The issue with this, and it goes back to the Gryder videos, is that there was nothing offered up that was even mildly convincing enough to standup under basic scrutiny.  When you say "my father was DB Cooper" and offer nothing else, it feels more like we are in grainy big foot or flying saucer video territory. 

    The parachute is in direct conflict with the vortex's best information on it.  They offered nothing regarding the actual night of the hijacking i.e. details about where and when he jumped, what the actual "plan" was, how he got out of wherever he landed, how the money was lost, some of these answers should be able to explain the Tena Bar find.  

     I suppose we will have to wait and see how it plays out. 

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  17. 8 hours ago, Cola said:

     

    Found a new candidate

     

    Catching up on 302's - Here's a fun one

     

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    Pulled form a paper in Feb 1980 with revisions from an office prankster.  

     

    We need a celebrity comp, maybe the "Ted Turner" sketch ?

  18. Does the board think that the hijacker was a career type criminal ?  Or was he more in the desperate man category, had some type of life circumstance that compelled him to this one singular crime ?

    I'm not sure, I lean towards the desperate man scenario.  

    In either profile, was the Paul Cini attempt the inspiration? What are the odds that two people were planning this type of crime at the same time in such close proximity ? By the same toke, could someone mobilize a plan so quickly, after getting the inspiration ?

     

     

     

  19. 1 hour ago, olemisscub said:

    This is my doing. I really don't understand the FBI sometimes. I FOIA'd for those photos a few months ago, asking for high resolution scans of them. Now they show up totally out of place at the start of the Vault drop. So the FBI I guess thinks that putting those in there is going to placate me. No, this doesn't placate me, FBI. I asked for HIGH. RESOLUTION. SCANS. for a reason. 

    And for what it's worth, Al Cooper was bald in those photos. That hair was lifted from the sketch and placed on his head. Also, he had a beard in the original mugshot too, which they removed in most of those. 

    I currently have a FOIA going on with the Albuquerque PD for that photo. I figured I'd just go through them and it'd be faster. But that was a few months ago. Every few weeks they respond and say they'll be getting to me soon. So that's better than nothing I guess. 

    Seems like they just do as little as possible, or the minimum required to show compliance with the letter of the law.   They don't really want to give what people are asking. Maybe it's just a resource issue, but it feels like it is a little more than that.  Maybe they just don't want sleuths figuring this out or perhaps they are working on it in the background. 

     

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    4 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

    It would certainly be problematic if he lands in the water. On those bailout rigs there are no capewells or any way to release the chute from the harness. There are a lot of variables. If the chute lands on top of him and he gets tangled in the canopy or the lines, that would suck. If it lands to the side of him... How strong is the current in the river, would he be getting pulled along? How cold is the water, would he be quickly succumbing to hypothermia? His best bet would be to get out of the harness if he could. If he's had jump training, he might know that if he's going to land in water he should undo the chest strap before he lands. Then he just has to get out of the leg straps. If the leg straps have clips on them, that would be easier. (I looked at the pictures of Hayden's other rig on Bruce's site and couldn't really see that part.) If there are no clips and he has to pull his legs out of them, that would be more difficult. But the money bag, how is that tied on, and is that going to impede his access to the harness. If luck is with him and he knows what he's doing, he could conceivably survive a water landing, but it would be difficult.

    Thank you for the response Dudeman.

    Marty, did your research about WW2 bail out survival rates include bailing out over bodies of water ?  Time for me to pick up your book !

     

  21. I guess this is what some of you were referencing a couple of days or so ago:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25565774/db-cooper-case-not-closed-fbi-testing-tie-evidence/

    I missed this part in the context of it:

    "Officially the FBI won't confirm anything, and Larry Carr isn't going to confirm anything [...] but based on conversations I've had with some people privately and based on what Larry has said publicly, I do believe they are re-testing the evidence."

  22. 6 hours ago, georger said:

    People change their stories after a passage of time, because they didnt want to be involved (or get involved) at the time. It's a common syndrome. People generally avoid train wrecks or situations which could become overwhelming, and a tax on one's life. We have all  been in situations and not come forward to avoid involvement at the time. Later, when people have distance, the full story comes out. 

    So, I wouldnt automatically dismiss what Cooper is saying today. It could be the truth.

    In fact, I would bet others tried to avoid involvement for the same reason ... which alters the factual record. We have all been in situations like that...

    He further advised that he did not observe the hijacker at any time, before, during, or after this flight ?

    I think your explanation is just about the only one that can account for the total 180.  He went from "never observing him before, during or after" in the 302 to "I can pick him out of a lineup today" in that article--there's no wiggle room to that, except maybe a loss of his marbles.

    He did have his life flipped upside down briefly when in the immediate aftermath, the FBI implicated him as being the hijacker.  Maybe that was enough to say he didn't see anything and get out of it as quickly as possible.

    At the end of the day, if he is telling the truth now, it's an interesting data point about the hijacker in terms of his profile, sort of in line with another witness's statement that said he had an "executive" type feel to him.  But it doesn't move the needle too much.

    As far as Carr's profile, that he knew just enough to get himself killed, I'm just not there yet.  I tend to think he knew what he was doing a little bit more than that. He carried himself quite well given the circumstances and gravity of what he was doing.  Not saying he was a Braden type, I think he had a strategic lapse on the tarmac at Seatac that I wouldn't expect from a guy like Braden.  But I admit, it's all guess work...

    Do we think that Carr's profile is the same as Himmelsbach's ? or the FBI's in general ?

     

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  23. Also, on the topic of seeing Cooper as a "hero".   While I agree that he did a bad thing with the hijacking, this was a criminal act which makes him a criminal.  Does it mean we put him in the same category as John Dillinger or Clyde Barrow ?  There's a possibility for a nuanced position where he was more of a desperate man as opposed to a regular old SOB.  

    Fun topics...

  24. 6 hours ago, olemisscub said:

    Sorry to besmirch a passenger on the Cooper flight, but this is an embellishment on his part. We have his 302.

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    Thanks Ryan, I was curious what the 302s may have documented for Michael Cooper.  It's really crazy, what a sharp contrast.  We have his 84 year old self in this article making very strong statements, while the 302 is like a complete 180 nothing burger...

    Heck, he even says that he could pick him out of a lineup today !  And that both of the sketches are good likenesses...

    I would generally agree with the idea to go with the statements immediately after the events, that those would be more reliable.  But gee-whiz, what is going on here !

    BTW, enjoyed your pod cast with Jude and Chris...Cola was actually drinking "Cola"...nice touch !

    No Pull ?  I doubt it...

    Landed in the drink ?  Most likely scenario if he died, but hard to put him in the Colombia based on the timeline and best estimates of where he jumped.  

    To Cola or other jumpers i.e. Dudeman...was it really certain death that there would have been no way for him to disengage from the chute to survive a water landing ?


    PS 

    Maybe Michael Cooper would come on your next podcast to explain...