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Not only was it partial, IIRC, there were several different partial profiles found.

People can say whatever they wish about this item. But there is something here that can't be denied. And that is THIS: If the witness is correct about red electrical tape being used in the creation of the bomb...and the FBI either knows about it already, or can verify it...they are going to interview not only Macauley's mother, but the other witnesses in that family. To date, I have not seen anything like this used in any description of the bomb. I have seen wires mentioned, red sticks, a battery. Our hope is that the FBI knows about the tape, or can find out by re-interviewing stewardess Florence Schaffner. It will surely be interesting to see what the FBI response is. Interesting stuff RobertMBlevins!

I admit....when I saw the conversation degrading....i promptly used the scroll and page features. I'm just not a drama person. No need for drama.

Well, I know I'm new here, but I can say I'm not much of a fan of Mr. Robert99's posting style, laced with condescension at any theory that...well, doesn't fit with ... whatever it is he thinks your theory should include. That automatically puts it in the suspect category to me, when you have to present what you have to say with a tone like that. Everyone's got opinions and theories, I've no problem with that. I can disagree with people, without getting upset.

So Mr. Blevins, have you received any feedback from the authorities to whom you have furnished your extended report on KC?

Your talking about normal flights. This was no normal flight. When they fly low, at 10,000ft, they tend route via strange paths, especially when mountains are near When approaching Portland, it's clear they were going around that airport. I don't know, it's what we have. Saying that because something was redacted doesn't change the flight path. We have nothing better to go by. Even if they were way west, they would have also had to screw up the jump time by at least 5-7 minutes or more.... for any natural means Tina bar find.

Well, lets see. They had hours to plan for it. THey had primary radar tracking, they had military radar tracking, they had chase planes. We have two pilots who knew V23 very well. We have the FBI saying "early 70's" the map was created. This Video time index 1:51 If I didn't know any better, I'd say your implying they basically made it up recently and are covering up something else. Do you really think they didn't have a map, and spend a great deal of time immediately following the event to create a timeline and map? They reproduced the flight in order to further hammer the details of the map with most probably jump times. What good is knowing the time if they didn't have any idea where the plane was. I know Carr was on the basis he died, and attempted to adjust his thinking of where the jump was (basically he was thinking mabey he jumped later, landing zone furthur south). But he precludes those statements with words like we think, perhaps etc. Nope, the flight path and times are in most all probable likelihood, correct. It doesn't fit your puzzle pieces, which is ok, it doesn't fit anybodies. Yet.

Which is going back to what I've said. If you believe the money ended up in Tina bar thru natural means, you have to be willing to throw away the fight path and jump time considerably. I'm just not willing to make that leap. That flight was being watched, period. The flight path data and jump time are very reasonably correct.

The locals say, how much more copper do you want?! Please buy from us. Re-open our mines. I'd say, most likely true. I've seen some of those documentary's. Copper was damn near on the surface around there way back when. It shined and gleamed. It was a natural draw, for everyone, Indians, politicians, industrialists... It is an area rich in Copper history to say the least. I love it in the Keweenaw. I can't say I'm educated much in pre-columbian times, but in the 1800's....it was a driving force of the USA.

Ha, I just noticed I said Copper when I meant Cooper. I guess it's the Michigan in me. The UP is after all the Copper Country.

It means, you've been successful. People understand. I understand. My name is Ken. Kenneth Snyder. Really, I'm a nobody. I'm still with my gut that Tina is the key, she was contacted by Copper. But, I have 0 to back that up. Like I said originally, hard evidence is the only thing that will bring this to a close. Which brings me back to trying analyze what little hard evidence there is.

Tina was supposed to get the money with in a few days, or weeks of the plant, prior to winter for sure. I think the field of money thing is debatable. They were for sure combing the area and found various other stuff, and bagging it as evidence.. but I've not seen any statements saying there was more than the 3 bundles and small chard's in the immediate area of the bundles. There was one picture in this thread somewhere that showed all these trenches and one perhaps 8x8' area really dug up. If what you say happened, for sure they're be more than 3 in tact bundles found. 3 nearly intact bundles and the rest 98% disintegrated into bits doesn't make sense either. It's pure conjecture for sure, all the little nuances are debatable. I'd like to see statements from the FBI where they said they found money everywhere along the shore or in that area.

That's the million dollar question. I explain it by saying Cooper put it there, because he wanted Tina to have it. He didn't throw it away. He choose Tina bar as a easy point of reference for her to find it. Which also means, he notified Tina in some manner, mail, phone...who knows. The timing for this is spot on, as I recall, Tina went to the convent in late '79, which is also the most probable time the money was put there, as summer would be too risky, too many people , someone else would have found it.

I've read probably most of what you've had written there, lots of info. I must admit, some of it I find...well, far reaching, alot of it is really good. On the feds, well your statement implies it's a love or hate deal, that's not really the case. FOr the most part, by in large, I would say most investigations I read about that the FBI is involved with are on the up an up, they work hard, they get the evidence, to do the people and ground work, they analyze, develop profiles. And they get they're guy most of the time, sometimes not. Is this always the case where they work diligently, no, but most of the time that has to do with outside influences of a very large nature, things like our illustrious president with his pen and his phone, "national security" things. Now, I can't speak for what it was like in the 70's. Or early 80's for that matter. I mean, to not make a simple analysis like safe did with the water flows of all the rivers and tributaries in the area..and not consider the simple facts that only 3 bundles were found, together, right at the surface.... (yes, I'm aware of the chard's theory, but I don't think anyone's come forward to say, they found chard's all over the place, for what I've found in statements the "chard's" were very near the stacks). I dunno, for me, there's only one conclusion, it was not put there thru natural means. I think the feds botched some things about the money find for sure, they had a good chance at solving the case then IMHO. Losing the butts, botching the money find is sloppy. But, you can attribute those things to just plain they didn't really care, and didn't put the proper resources in place, even in 1980. It was a 8.5year old crime then, where nobody was murdered or raped, and they just didn't care. That's not to say the agents working the case didn't care, the FBI like anyplace, has budgets and managment has to decide where to assign resources, Cooper, wasn't it. Evidence lost, after 10,20,30,40 years (IIRC the last known location of the butts was sometime in the 90's?)...it happens, yeah it's sloppy, but when it sits around in a warehouse for decades, things get moved, reorganized, labels peel off...it happens, sloppy yes, but not outright deception or a cover up, which is what I think your saying with being a "spade" Again here, you can say it's a "victimless crime" ... but Tina .. is the key. If she truly is distressed over the whole deal, she's the victim, she can say to the FBI, I'm the victim, who cares if it's 40 years old, you guys need to take this seriously and investigate credible leads. Make a serious investigation as to how money degrades in sand and water in bags and not in bags, pay a real hydroligist $5k to make an analysis of the areas flow (although I think safe did a pretty good job of this). Mabey Flo can same the same? You've pushed this one pretty hard over the years I've noticed, and I'm not saying it's not possible. I personally, don't lay much credence to it. I mean, the FBI had said many many times, they felt he died, he died, he couldn't make the jump, was inexperienced.....if you've gotten away with it for that long, why risk giving them something to possibly go off of, revive the case...if your sole point is to re-direct attention away from you by doing it. To me, it's a direct conflict, re-direct attention away from me by calling attention to me thru reviving the case.

Well, if I'm to make a trek (I guess one should call it a pilgrimage at this point) out to the Northwest, I'll definitely do that! I'd also love to make DB Cooper day at the Ariel store & Bar, I was just watching Blevins video of the 2012 event. But, if I were to do so, just for that, I think my wife would accuse me of being...something...I'm sure I'm just sorry I didn't know who DB Cooper was in 1999 when I had to fly to Portland every week for 3 months for work, a customer was there.

Wow...it's taken me a few months, but I finally got thru 2200+ pages of this thread and the previous. Lots of trials and tribulations and twists and turns and rabbit holes. Anyway, I guess I don't have much to add, I'm a hard facts guy, so I guess thats to say, there's no suspect in my book. I think at this point, people's memories of 40 years past is clouded at best. That's not to discard anyone's opinions, Jo especially (after reading 2000+ pages, I fell like I know you, hope it's ok to call you Jo?). I'm with safe, there's no possible way that money could have ended up in Tina (Tena) bar thru natural means, unless your willing to throw away the flight path completely. By my estimate, it would have had to be some 17 miles off, in the world of radar and flying airways (like V23)...1 mile would have been off, 2...would be way off, so, that's to say 8 deviations being generous there, in the world of science, if your looking at possibilities of 8 deviations away, your simply being foolish. (No, I'm not calling anyone foolish). Or, their jump time would have had to be considerably off, and being that they reproduced the flight, airstairs /pressure bump thing...I doubt they have that far off. ANyway, IMHO, the money was moved. So, do I think he survived, perhaps. If the money was moved, who moved it. Cooper? Mabey, most likely. There are many possibilities here, but the most probable, the simplest, is Cooper moved it. It's also possible little Brian's dad found it days earlier, finally said...oh well this stuff ain't no good, but a bank isn't gonna replace it for me, unless...mabey if a kid finds it. Has anyone dug into Mr. Ingrams whereabouts in the days, weeks or months leading up to the find? See, there I go, down the rabbit hole. It's easy to do. I guess I'm with the FBI, unless some hard evidence is to come up, bills, maybe the briefcase although I'm not sure that could be identified, the parachutes...something hard, this just isn't gonna get solved. People evidence might lead you to hard evidence, but at this point, the FBI can't put resources into rabbit holes and peoples memories for a 40 year old crime. I believe they've been burned on this with Marla. Hard evidence...tough to come by. Where's that ticket your were once holding Jo! My gut, even before I read the books, this thread, my gut which has served me well for years, says...Tina is the key. THere's something she knows, perhaps the FBI knows too. What happen in the 45 (by some estimates) minutes she was alone with Cooper. He wanted her to have some $$$. I think the whole money find on "Tina" bar (as the sign says, as most locals knew it at the time), yes we all know it's Tena bar, the original owner was Tena...perhaps there was a sign at some point in the 60's that said Tena...who knows...but what we do know is those rubber bands had a 1 year at most in the elements lifespan, I think Cooper planted the dough, notified Tina, and then Tina went into the convent. I feel bad for Tina, well, not bad, just a bummer this had to happen to her and by most accounts, seems to haunt her. Anyway...hello...and good evening to you all.