The Gold Fringed Flag....

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GOLD FRINGED FLAG

The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you will be under the jurisdiction of that flag. The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United States of America. more information

MILITARY FLAG WITH THE GOLD FRINGE

Martial Law Flag "Pursuant to 4 U.S.C. chapter 1, §§1, 2, & 3; Executive Order 10834, August 21, 1959; 24 F.R.6865; a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE border on three sides. The President of the United States designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief of the military. The placing of a fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag and the arrangement of the stars in the union are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion of the President as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy." 34 Ops. Atty. Gen. 83.

President, Dwight David Eisenhower, by Executive Order No.10834, signed on August 21, 1959 and printed in the Federal Register at 24 F.R. 6865, pursuant to law, stated that: "A military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a yellow fringe border on three sides."

THE LAW OF THE FLAG

The Law of the Flag, an International Law, which is recognized by every nation of the planet, is defined as:

"... a rule to the effect that a vessel is a part of the territory of the nation whose flag she flies. The term is used to designate the RIGHTS under which a ship owner, who sends his vessel into a foreign port, gives notice by his flag to all who enter into contracts with the ship master that he intends the Law of that Flag to regulate those contracts, and that they must either submit to its operation or not contract with him or his agent at all." Ref.: Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41

By the doctrine of "four cornering" the flag establishes the law of the country that it represents. For example, the embassies of foreign countries, in Washington D.C., are "four cornered" by walls or fencing, creating an "enclave." Within the boundaries of the "enclave" of the foreign embassy, the flag of that foreign country establishes the jurisdiction and law of that foreign country, which will be enforced by the Law of the Flag and international treaty. If you enter an embassy, you will be subject to the laws of that country, just as if you board a ship flying a foreign flag, you will be subject to the laws of that flag, enforceable by the "master of the ship," (Captain), by the law of the flag.

When you enter a courtroom displaying a gold or yellow fringed flag, you have just entered into a foreign country, and you better have your passport with you, because you may not be coming back to the land of the free for a long time. The judge sitting under a gold or yellow fringe flag becomes the "captain" or "master" of that ship or enclave and he has absolute power to make the rules as he goes. The gold or yellow fringe flag is your warning that you are leaving your Constitutionally secured RIGHTS on the floor outside the door to that courtroom.

This is exactly why so many judges are appointed, and not elected by the people. The Federal judges are appointed by the President, the national military commander in chief. The State judges are appointed by the Governors, the state military commanders. The judges are appointed because the courts are military courts and civilians do not "elect" military officers.

Under martial law, you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

The gold-fringed flag only stands inside military courts that sit in summary court martial proceedings against civilians and such courts are governed in part by local rules, but more especially by "The Manual of Courts Martial", U.S., 1994 Ed., at Art. 99, (c)(1)(b), pg. IV-34, PIN 030567-0000, U.S. Government Printing Office, Wash. D.C. The details of the crimes that civilians can commit, that are classed as 'Acts of War,' cover 125 pages in the Manual of Courts Martial.

Under Article IV, section 3, of the Constitution for the united States of America, no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State. So -- Why have the judges of the State and Federal courts been allowed to erect foreign enclaves within our public courthouses under a foreign flag with the yellow fringe upon the soil of your state?

We just thought you would like to know, so that the next time you see this yellow fringed flag you will know what you are looking at and what it really means. If you are in Spain and you see the National Flag of Spain, you would know that you are under the jurisdiction of Spain; and their laws govern you at this time. You are officially NOTICED when you see their flag. This is an admiralty law that says that all who see this flag understand they are governed by the laws of the country that this flag represents. You SHOULD understand that the gold or yellow fringed flag signifies the same thing. It is a notice to you that you are under the rules and regulations of the military force that is flying that flag.

Are you familiar with martial law?

Does your attorney understand what this flag means?

"It is an elementary rule of pleading, that a plea to the jurisdiction is a tacit (silent) admission that the court has a right to judge the case and is a waiver to all exception to the jurisdiction."(Girty v. Logan, 6 Bush KY, 8)

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Don't forget your tinfoil beanie, a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook, and your framed photo of Dale Gribble.

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[matthewcline 0]

While your text book definition may be correct, the leap to apply it to today is purely the ignorance of those flying the flag.

I quote "It looks cooler than the other one thats why".
When I asked a Bailif why he had the frindged flag displayed.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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You are wrong.: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/FAQ/FringeOnAmFlg.htm

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[Andy9o8 0]

A 5-second Google search shows that you copied and pasted the following webpage:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

You also started that "we are all enemies of the government" thread. Another huge cut & paste job. And another huge cut & paste thread on "Senate Report 93-549". And then there's the " Heading to Honduras to see Dr. Sebi... " thread.

Whew.

Look, we want to help. Clearly, there's something wrong. So tell us – in your own words, now – what's really troubling you?

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Don't forget your tinfoil beanie, a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook, and your framed photo of Dale Gribble.

Tee-hee!!!

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

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A 5-second Google search shows that you copied and pasted the following webpage:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

You also started that "we are all enemies of the government" thread. Another huge cut & paste job. And another huge cut & paste thread on "Senate Report 93-549". And then there's the " Heading to Honduras to see Dr. Sebi... " thread.

Whew.

Look, we want to help. Clearly, there's something wrong. So tell us – in your own words, now – what's really troubling you?

-If I carry a yellow-fringed flag, I can declare myself independant, and go after watchdog with the point, can't I?

j/k, nobody get yer panties in a bunch.
I did, however, respectfully carry that flag for years. I wonder if you did, watchdog, or if you're just conveniently quoting Arnie Anarchist....

-Perhaps ask someone that was on a colorguard instead if any ol' nut case on the web?

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[Gene03 0]

Sorry Acme, Have you ever heard of marching under the wrong/false Ensign?

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

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Sorry Acme, Have you ever heard of marching under the wrong/false Ensign?

Yes, I've heard the cliche. No, it doesn't apply.

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

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This thread should have a posting with the phrase "Butt Secks."


"Butt Secks."

There. Much better.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[Gene03 0]

And we have a winner, flag rules people, flag rules.
Not what some paranoid,conspiracy cock-blocking website has to say. Come again Neil?

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

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This thread should have a posting with the phrase "Butt Secks."


"Butt Secks."

There. Much better.

I'm glad you feel better.
Is that all you're interested in?

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

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This thread should have a posting with the phrase "Butt Secks."


"Butt Secks."

There. Much better.

I'm glad you feel better.
Is that all you're interested in?

No, I like titties and beer also. C-182s are nice too.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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Sorry Acme, Have you ever heard of marching under the wrong/false Ensign?

Yes, I've heard the cliche. No, it doesn't apply.

Are you sure of that?
Please check it again.
It's not a cliche. Or is it? please check out the definition of "cliche".

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[Gene03 0]

It's been fun crossing swords with you folks, but the arms of Morpheous calls.
Better and more educated tomorrows.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

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And we have a winner, flag rules people, flag rules.
Not what some paranoid,conspiracy cock-blocking website has to say. Come again Neil?

Well tomorrow when you come back, maybe you can explain which point you are arguing?

Um, I was stating that the flag rules DO NOT state that gold fringe on flags is a no-no. I am saying that it's perfectly ok. I am saying that I was a-schooled in such thangs when I dun carried that thar flag...

So...your post looks like you are of the same opinion, so...why were you arguing with me in particular?

If it's semantics, jolly good. So be it. If you're saying that I was an anarchist while in uniform carrying that flag because it was trimmed in gold fringe...yeah, not so much.

Once again...a 'Google' search producing an anarchist's reaching conclusion of flag law interpretation vs four years of first-hand study (and that's NOT counting my 3 years in the army in addition to that). Hmmm...

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

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Butt Secks, I tell ye all!! "BUTT SECKS!!!"

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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Butt Secks, I tell ye all!! "BUTT SECKS!!!"

Did you know that when you say that aloud, it sounds exactly like 'butt sex'?

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[kamikaze82 0]

Since when did yellow or gold come after red, white, and blue? So now it's red, white, blue, gold and/or yellow?

How about when Bush put his signature on a flag? I guess as long as it didn't have a fringe it didn't matter.

¡YA BASTA!

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I have just one question....

....WTF?!

mh

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Gene03 0]

The photo of Bush and wife walking on the carpet with a flag print on it at ground zero should be enough to infuriate anybody.

My argument is the gold fringe indicates an Admiralty Ensign.

Found this reference from Bouvier's law dictionary.
A lengthy read though.


I found a verifiable citation for "law of the flag" in BOUVIER'S LAW DICTIONARY, Baldwin's Students Ed. (1946), FLAG, pp. 423-424 (italics in original, boldface emphasis added, [F.] = "Fed. Rep." = Federal Reporter in original):

Law of the Flag. An expression supplied to the municipal law of the country to which a ship belongs of which the flag is the symbol, when that law is resorted to in preference to the lex loci contractus [The law of the place where an agreement is made.] for the construction and effect of a contract or the determination of a liability affecting the ship or her cargo.
The law of the flag is "to regulate the liabilities and regulations which arise among parties to the agreement, be it of affreightment or by hypothecation, upon this principle, that the ship-owner who sends his ship into a foreign port gives a notice by his flag to all who enter into contracts with the shipmaster, that he intends the law of that flag to regulate those contracts, and they must either submit to its operation or not contract with him or his agent at all;" Foote, Priv. Int. L. 408; and in England this rule is usually followed, the tendency being that, in the absence of indication of the intention of the parties the presumption is in favor of the law of the ship's flag; Scrutton, Chart. Part 11; contra, 3 Moo. P. C, N. S. 272; 129 U. S. 397; 12 Q. B. D. 589; 10 id. 540; in which cases it was held that the lex loci contractus must prevail. In his treatise on merchant shipping (3d ed. 170) MacLachlin thus states the rule as to the effect of the law of the flag on the authority of the master. "The agency of the master is devolved upon him by the law of the flag. The same law that confers his authority, ascertains its limits, and the flag at the mast-head is notice to all the world of the extent of such power to bind the owners or freighters by his act. The foreigner who deals with this agent has notice of that law, and, if he be bound by it, there is no injustice. His notice of the national flag which is hoisted on every sea and under which the master sails into every port, and the circumstance that connects him with the vessel isolates that vessel in the eyes of the world, and demonstrates his relation to the owners and freighters as their agent for a specific purpose and with power well defined under the national maritime law; id; this was suggested by the author quoted as a possible explanation of the apparently anomalous exception of bottomry bonds from the general rule that the lex loci contractus prevails.
This precise rule was followed in the leading English case of Lloyd v. Guibert, where the question was as to the master's authority to bind the ship-owner; L. R. 1 Q. B. 115; S. C. 6 B. & S. 100, and 33 L. J. Q. B. 245; S. C. on appeal 35 id 74; 6 B. & S. 120.
In this case, in the Queen's Bench, Blackburn, J., in language almost exactly following the above quoted, applied the law of the flag (French), which did not recognize a personal liability of the owner in a bottomry bond, as against the lex loci contractus (Danish), or the laws of the place of performance (English), or that of the place when the cargo was loaded (Haytien). The court after noting the "singular absence of authority" said that two American cases had been cited; 1 La. 528 and 3 Sto. 465, adding that "neither of these decisions is binding on us, but we have derived very great assistance from them." As to the last of these cases there follows this comment: "The very learned judgment of Mr. Justice Story just referred to affords a complete answer to a plausible argument in which was suggested that the general maritime law clothed the master with power to bind his owners absolutely, and that the municipal law of the owner's country was analogous to secret restrictions in the ostensible authority of a partner or other agent clothed with general power." In the Exchequer Chamber, where the judgment was affirmed, Willes, J., said: "The general rule, that where the contract of affreightment does not provide otherwise, there, as between the parties to such contract, in respect of sea damage and its incidents, the law of the ship should govern, seems to be not only in accordance with the probable intention of the parties, but also most consistent and intelligible, and therefore most convenient to those engaged in commerce." The same doctrine was applied by the English Court of Appeal to the master's control over the cargo as well as the ship, by Brett, L. J., in L. R. 7 P. D. 137; by Dr. Lushington in Br. & L. 38, and in a later case by Sir J. Hannen, who sustained a sale of part of a damaged cargo, where it was shown by the result to have been unnecessary, such sale being authorized by the law of the flag; [1891] Prob. 328. But see 1 La. 249; id 528, where the lex loci contractus was held to prevail.
In 3 Sto. 465, although the law of the flag was, in fact, enforced, the decision cannot be said to have followed the rule laid down by MacLachlin, as in that case the particular point decided was as to the liability of the owner of the freighter, when the former was a citizen of a state the laws of which did not recognize such liabilities, while by the law of the state in which the freighter resided and also of the foreign port where the cargo was shipped, such a liability existed, and the lex domicilii of the ship-owner was held to govern the contract. See also 8 Pet. 538; BOTTOMRY.
As to the effect of the law of the flag, upon the construction of a contract of affreightment, the decisions in this country as a rule are usually governed by the lex loci contractus. In the case of The Brantford City, Judge Brown thus stated this rule: "The 'law of the flag' . . . does not embody any rule of legal construction. Literally, it is but a concise phrase to express a simple fact, namely, the law of the country to which the ship belongs, and whose flag she bears, whether it accords with the general maritime law or not. In so far, however, as the law of the flag does not represent the general maritime law, it is but the municipal law of the ship's home. It has, therefore, no force abroad, except by comity. But foreign law is not adopted by comity, unless some good reason appear in the particular case why it should be preferred to the law of the former. The most frequent and controlling reasons are the actual or presumed intent of the parties or the evident justice of the case arising from its special circumstances.
On this ground, the law of the ship's home is applied by comity, to regulate the mutual relations of the ship, her owner, master, and crew, as among themselves; their leins for wages, and modes of discipline; 1 W. Rob. 35; 1 Low. 455; 3 [F.] 577; 29 [F.] 127. For the same reason it is also applied, by comity, to torts on the high seas, as between vessels of the same nation, or vessels of different nations subject to similar laws, though not if they are subject to different laws; 105 U. S. 24. Independently of the intent of the parties, the law of the flag has no application to cases of tort, as between ships or persons of different nationalities and conflicting laws; and Federal law, by which stipulations of a common carrier exempting him from the consequences of his own negligence are held to be against public policy and void, is controlling in cases of suits brought here upon shipments made here on board foreign ships under bills of lading signed by foreign masters, though such stipulations be valid by the law of the ship's flag." 29 [F.] 373.
This case is expressly approved by the supreme court in a case upon the same point, which is the leading American case upon this branch of the subject; 129 U.S. 397, 461. See comments on this case by the circuit court of appeals; 67 [F.] 493. Precisely the contrary view, under almost identical circumstances, was held in the case of The Missouri and the doctrine of Lloyd v. Guibert was held to extend to this particular point; 41 Ch. Div. 321. Where both the law of the flag and the lex loci contractus were British, the law of England was held to govern the contract; 63 [F.] 268; 60 [F.] 247. In a shipment of goods in England, in an English vessel, on an ordinary bill of lading, the liability of the vessel is to be determined according to the law of the place of shipment, as the law of the flag; 19 [F.] 101. So also where the bill of lading was made expressly subject to "a live stock contract." and there was an express provision in that contract that all questions relating to the bill of lading should be determined by British law; 24 [F.] 922. But the circuit court of appeals, in a similar case, where the bill of lading contained the "so-called flag clause" (that liability should be determined by the law of England, but there wasno reference to this in the charter, made in this country), held it no evidence to modify the latter and that it was ineffective to substitute the law of the flag for the lex loci contractus with respect to the stipulation for exemption from liability for negligence; 66 [F.] 607; affg. 56 [F.] 126.
Generally it may be said that the doctrine of the Missouri is in conflict with the current of authority in England, it being usually held in that country that as to such stipulations in the bill of lading the lex loci contractus prevails; 9 Q. B. D. 118; 10 id 521, 540; 12 id 596; 3 Moo. P.C. N. S. 272; and to the same effect and under precisely similar circumstances is a judgment of the court of cassation in France, imperfectly stated in a note to the case last cited and fully reported in 75 Journal du Palais (1864) 225, and see 1 Dalloz 449. This question, it may be remarked, is as yet scarcely to be considered settled by any hard-and-fast rule of law, and the only certain guide, says Bowen, L. J., "is to be found in applying sound ideas of business, convenience, and sense to the language of the contract itself with a view to discovering from it the true intention of the parties."

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[Andy9o8 0]

Hint: don't drink the Kool-Aid.

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Butt Secks, I tell ye all!! "BUTT SECKS!!!"

Did you know that when you say that aloud, it sounds exactly like 'butt sex'?

Oh. My. Gawd. I gotta go.

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My argument is the gold fringe indicates an Admiralty Ensign.

In the United Kingdom. Great.

If whats-his-butt was referring to the UK, then I'd have no argument at all. The Brits can do whatever the freak they want with their national ensign, or 'admiralty ensign'.

The bitter-slanted, sideways bogus piece of poopie that was cut 'n pasted way above was referring to US flag rules, supposedly.

Also Gene...you know that flag rules in the US have changed since 1856 when that document was originally written, right?

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[Gene03 0]

First point.
Bouvier's Law Dictionary was the definitive rule on Constitutional Law until our Republic was "superceded" by CORPORATE LAW.

Second point.
After the shift of power, (some argue Civil War, others early 1900's) Black's Law Dictionary become the source of rule in our CORPORATE SOCIETY.

Yes, laws have been changed.
We no longer have a Constitutional Republic, we are CORPORATE subjects under CORPORATE LAW.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)