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USPA membership Not Required
AADs Required
Hook turns Allowed

What it costs


AFF courses available at 1400 GBP
Tandem jumps from 225 GBP
Jump tickets at 21 GBPto 13000ft
Video available at 125 GBP

Skydiving Club open for all members on Wed and Fri from 1200hrs and all day at weekends. Full program of events and load organising for FS, free fly, wingsuiting and canopy piloting. See website for an up to date forcast of events.

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3 X Cessna Grand Caravan

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Netheravon
LAT: 51.314167
LNG: -2.110278

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Airfield Camp, Netheravon, Salisbury, Wiltshire, SP4 9SF, United Kingdom
+44 1980 678250
+44 01980 671026 (FAX)
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I've been jumping at this dropzone for over 3 years now but it is time for a change. I am well placed to give an accurate account of the dropzone.

The average wait time from manifest to getting on the plane is often about 2 hours. After sitting on the dropzone today on a sunny no-wind day, I had to wait approximately 4 hours before being able to get on the plane. It is widely accepted among club members that the manifest system is among the worst anyone has ever seen and people regularly leave early because they cannot be bothered to last the wait time.

The 3 planes (C208 D Caravans), are good as it goes but Nethers regularly chooses not to run enough or all of the available planes, even when there are enough people to warrant it. Smaller dropzones with fewer planes clear more loads of people with ease.

There is now no semblance of anything close to resembling a club bar. Club members reminisce over the 'old bar' because of it's legendary atmosphere. That all finished when the club moved hangars several years ago. Since then, Nethers has struggled to have a bar with what the members call 'atmosphere.' This year the club bosses have made it clear that they have given up entirely on having a club bar by moving the bar into the canteen. While the pessimists will never be pleased, the most upbeat optimists will tell you is that 'you get used to it.' The realists however explain it best when asked when they describe it as an 'utter disappointment' and ‘inexplicable.’ The cheap disco lights they turn when the ‘bar’ opens tend to fool no-one however inebriated; it is always evident that you are sitting in a canteen.

The facilites are great, with a massive packing area, mock ups and a spacious canteen (come bar). Nethers should also be commended for the attention given and improvements made to the changing rooms and shower facilities. However, you will get used to these facilities, as you spend so long on the ground waiting for anything to happen when jumping at Nethers.

The bunkhouse, while clean and free which is great, is often misused until late into the night by members which makes it an impractical option for regular members who attend the dropzone. Despite being regularly informed of the problems, Nethers has done nothing to rectify or address the issues. If you want sleep, bring a tent and pitch it far away from the bunkhouse.

Being over Salisbury Plain, jumpers have a massive dropzone to aim for with typically good skydive views. One would expect this to be a positive reason to gain qualifications and A licence here, were it not for the costs. Nethers used to boast a friendly place to jump with good rates, and even better rates for students. This created a lively and youthful club atmosphere which was balanced well against the military presence which forms the backbone of the club. However, this year, Nethers took the decision to increase the military fees by only £1 while increasing the student fees by around £10 per jump. Further Nethers did not address the change in the coach pricing scheme that resulted form this. Military FS coaches almost half the price of civilian FS coaches which leads to students sitting around hoping for a military coach, whilst able civilian coaches go unused. Civilian coaches are often dropped by their students for financial reasons when military coaches become available which hampers both continuity in teaching for the students and disrupts civilian coaches scheduals after they have given up their time on their weekends for their club. ‘Us and them’ as ever.

This has lead to a noticeable outward flux in young and student members which has had a demonstrably poor effect on the general atmosphere of the club in general. The student presence had helped to quell the overall feeling of the ‘military clique’ that had existed at Nethers. Without the student balance, non-military jumpers have been heard to mention that they feel an ‘us and them’ vibe to the place. This is not helped by the fact that almost everyone you encounter in ‘the bus’ overseeing the dropzone is military which leads them to often be short tempered and abrupt with their civilian paying members. A thick skin is often warranted which is not ideal.

The coaching staff at Nethers are great, particularly wingsuiting. Nethers regularly has large flocking jumps which are organised tremendously and as a wingsuiter myself I have been very grateful for the excellent wingsuiting made available here. Coaches are friendly and approachable. However as student and military coaches charge differently under the Netheravon scheme, there is often hot demand for military coaching with civilian coaches falling by the wayside. Again the issue also turned on manifesting, student progression is hampered terribly when the students are forced to wait hours between lifts and get half the jumps they would at a better run dropzone.

After sitting on the ground again for so long on a sunny no-wind day, I do find myself wondering if a change in dropzone is necessary. One does like to jump occasionally at a dropzone but jumping is always a rarity at Netheravon.

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A slick operation with the introduction of Burble manifesting and an up-engined Caravan (one of three). Great CCI who is clearly passionate about the sport, and safety focused but in a refreshingly realistic way. Super hanger for packing with large mats. Friendly instructors. A nice mix of jumpers.

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Probably the best DZ I have ever visited and which I now call my home. There is something for everyone in all disciplines although FF coaches are limited.

The packing hall is huge, the canteen sells the cheapest cuppa in the world (50p) and the jump programme is as slick as it gets. The DZ staff are on a mission to get people in the air and keep everyone happy. As a negative, you need a set of wheels as the DZ is in the middle of Salisbury Plain.

The DZ does get quite busy but so does Alton Towers! Even when it is busy I easily manage 5 jumps. I have been to several UK drop zones where although they have been nice and friendly (most are) I have struggled to get in the air and have often been at the end of a long line of tandem students. Netheravon usually have a caravan for tandems and the other two looking after club jumpers.

It is a military airfield so proof of ID is a must and quite rightly you must behave or you might get shot!! A few of the staff are military and may be a bit abrupt but on the whole, it is a really friendly place with a lot to offer. Give it a go and make your own mind up.

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I accompanied my wife when she did a tandem for charity.

The instructors and more or less all the staff are cliquey, big headed and by the end of our 8 hour wait to jump, we were sick of the puerile in-jokes heard over the tannoy, quips about members of staff losing their virginity or going to the toilet.

Do not take children. There are lots if potty mouths at Netheravon.

There is an alarming lack of maturity amongst the chute packers, making highly questionable comments about women and flicking elastic bands.

My wife was terrified all the way down, not helped by the fact there was a knot in the steering mechanism, as explained to her by the guy she jumped with.

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I did a static line here on my second visit. The refresh was very thorough and the instructor knew what he was doing, from my point of view.

There are more than one aircraft so they can lift quite a few people during the day. Army staff pay less, and unfortunately no-one told me that I need to become an APA-member (costing £20) before I can manifest, so that wasted quite a bit of time. The reception also sells some basic goodies, such as gloves and goggles, but don't depend on them having it all in stock. You can also borrow goggles.

On a good-weathered day, this DZ seem to get extremely busy, so be there early for the first refresh (at 08:30?) else the day just drags on. Because they are quite big and busy, a little bit of the personal touch is lost, but I found everyone friendly and helpful. The canteen staff is also very friendly and it's very affordable.

I drove there with some friends, but else this would be an expensive and long journey from London. It takes quite a while with the car anyway.

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I have recently completed my AFF course at Nethers and was quite suprised by some (but not all) of the reviews.

I notice that many of the reviews make comment of the military funding the DZ, perhaps it is important to remember that the DZ is a military training dropzone with the APA running the 'civi' side - independently. If the military had enough money to throw at the DZ I'm sure they would be in a better building than they are now. Hopefully this will change in the near future with the move to a spare hanger.

Many of the staff are military yet are not there as permanent staff, they give their time to support their chosen sport and are not paid for it. That said I can understand where the comments about some attitudes come from, in defence safety is everything and this is strictly controlled although this could on occasion be verbally explained in a more 'fluffy', non military way.

With regards a comment about 'best to be a blonde female', I'm afraid that I'll have to agree, I have recently tried to get FS coaching only to fail. I tried to get one through manifest but failed. Asked around the DZ and still nothing turned up. Spoke to several long-time regulars and was told that this was the norm... I did finally get a coach though, some of the military lads helped me out.

Overall, dispite the negatives I would recommend the DZ to anyone passing-by, it is full of knowledgeable skydivers who will make the time for you if you ask them, the bar host some awesome parties and there are always lots of great events on.

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I've read lot's of reviews on here ref Nethers, some good and some bad. But a lot of the negative post's are over 2 years old, I thought I'd try and give an up to date review.
First thing's first, I am a regular Nether's jumper and have been for some years and I'm there most weekends, so you could say I am bias towards the DZ, but I'm going to be fair.
The DZ is housed in a grade 2 listed building, with lots of scaffolding holding it up. But as long as you don't intend in living in there it serves it's purpose adequately.
The instructors are mostly military, so surprise surprise they act in a military manner OCCASIONALLY! If you are rude to them don't expect them to kiss your ar*e, but again there is no reason for them to be rude to customers.
As for local cliques, yes there are groups of friends that jump there who have known each other for some time. If you were visiting from another DZ and don't make the slightest effort to talk to the local jumpers, then the blame cannot be laid squarely on us. What if it was reversed and I came to your DZ would come up to me if I was sat on my own?? And for none jumpers, do you go up to random strangers in your local pub, and drag them into your group when your with your friends? If both party's make an effort which does happen LOTS, everyone is made to feel welcome.
We have a good cafe serving hot and cold food, run by a lovely lady called Den.
We currently have 4 planes,1x grand caravan, 1x caravan and 2x Islander's. But even with much lift capacity you still have to wait occasionally, thats just life. As for preferential treatment, if you plan on doing 1 to 2 fun jumps a day, and say a team needs to do 10 lift's a day and there their every weekend, training for a competition then of course they are going to get on the lift first... it's the same at every DZ.
We have load organiser's for FS,big ways,FF and wingsuits. The emphasis is now to try and bring back freeflying to the DZ with coaching from Team Euphoria. There are tunnel coach's for FS and FF available every weekend, if you want to do tunnel and sky coaching.
I hope this is a fair balanced view? Every DZ has it's fault's if you dig deep enough and nethers is no exception. So come and give Nether's a try, what have you got to loose?? And if you think there's a click you can always come freeflying with me!

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I think Netheravon gets a bit of a raw deal.
Hence the cons are similar to the pros.

To start it is a protected world war 2 building with dreadful toilets, scaffolding everywhere and occasioanl ponds where the roof is leaking. (Hopefully by the Summer 2009 the centre will have moved to a newer hanger with better facilities so watch this space)

New members probably feel they are put through lots of red tape, have to fill out a million forms etc. but please get through it and move on, once it is done it is done.

Emtering the camp is not easy but once you have done it the first time it gets easier.

The staff take the safety of everyone on the DZ very seriously. Hence all the paper work, the need to ensure rigs, students and jumpers are safe before they can even exit a plane.

It isn't because they are military 'dads army' or any of that 'civi' 'bull' that people who have never been exposed to the military presume it is (and I am a civi)it is them following the rules. -why shouldn't they-it is there ratings on the line.

As for the clicque that everyone talks about, yes there are some really tight knit, great groups of friends - we are family. They/we have known each other years or formed friendships - just like anywhere you find groups of people who form smaller groups.

Frankly if newcomers make an efforts to join in I have never witnessed anyone trying to stop them, in fact I am certain that you would end up knowing their enture skydiving history, how they got into the sport, and be whisked off for a curry before you even realised it.

However if people turn up and stand on their own in the middle of the dz and make no effort to speak to others well the way we see it is if someone wishes to keep themselves to themselves well we respect that.

If you are joining the DZ please spend a couple of weeks getting to know us, say hello, ask to jump with us and I can assure you you will become part of the family. Go to manifest ask them to put a call out inviting people to join you.

I think some of the comments here are valid, but I also wonder how many DZ's have bad and good days? How many DZ's have Skygods that think they are above it all. I suspect all DZ's.

All I can advise is that if someone has a problem with the way they are treated, they should just tell the DZ. After all if there are some staff members that are upsetting punters they should not be working there. If someone has a problem with the attitude of an instructor or is not being looked after as a student please speak up. How can the DZ deal with these issues if they do not know about them.

It is supposed to be fun.

Don't stew about small issues for years (as a couple of people here quite clearly have) and blurt it out on this website when you have not even been there for months. The DZ has changed, there are people there that really care about the sport and the people in it.

Oh and the DZ hosts some of the best parties...

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I moved to this DZ after getting tired of the slow turnaround and lack of a social scene at Weston. The facilities are fine, you can usually get coaching, they throw some awesome parties and as long as you don't mind saying hello first pretty much everyone is lovely. Oh and the view from up top is great!

I drive out of my way to go to this DZ. Don't listen to the bad reviews (which sound like they were written by the same person). Come and make up your own mind.

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Went once to do a few jumps whilst my local DZ was closed.. Was totally ignored. Looked down upon for jumping in the states....

So I left, I would not waste my time or money in a play like that...

Skydiving is a FUN hobby, not something I do so others can make me feel bad!

(Im sorry this is negative, Im sure I just caught them on a bad day - Blue Skies)

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Although it was some time ago that I was here I still must add my opinion.
After beginning aff in a different country I returned to the u.k. still with the last 3 levels left to do.
I chose Neveraven to complete aff after it was recommended to me by another person who was jumping in the dropzone overseas.
After driving for 4 hours from the other side of england I arrived at Netheraven, situated in the stunning english countryside close to stone henge.
When I enquired about completing the aff I was referred to a guy who introduced himself but the said that as I had not been there before he could even speak to me I would have to wait until he had dealt with and jumped with every other person there who was doing aff. I waited for 5 hours before I could even speak to this character who was then extremely rude saying that as I had started the course abroad under uspa rules the instruction was not to the level of their bpa instructors and then went on to talk about himself and how much of a sky god he is.
Incidentally a friend I went to Netheraven with who was in the same situation as me was treated extremely well and finished her course there, although I think this may have had something to to with the fact that she was female and blonde.
Basically in the end I chose another dropzone to finish the course at after been ignored, spoken to rudely and generally treated like sh*t.
For the whole six hours or so I was there I was made to feel unwelcome and patronised as a student. Overall the general atmosphere is one I wish that no one else has to experience again EVER, especially as a paying customer.
In short I do not recommend this place to anyone unless:

1. You are affiliated with the military and are a regular at this dropzone.

2. You have had a private school education at the same school as the regulars there (and are a regular there yourself).

3. You are an extremely good looking female in which case you will be welcome here regardless.

If you do not fall into one of these three category's forget it and spend your money somewhere else.

It was nearly two years ago since I was at this dropzone and I had hoped that things might have changed but after reading recent reviews I think not.

Since completing aff I have made significant progress in my chosen fields of skydiving and have began base jumping. I hope that anyone else who is treated badly as a student by these sorts of people do not let it put them off the sport and persist as it becomes much more worthwhile when you are in the company of people that treat you as an equal instead of subhuman

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Tried to get through my AFF and encountered extraordinary attitudes, cliqueyness and a collection of so called skygods. Took my wife for a tandem and waited 2 days.
With so many aircraft and significant army funding, how could anything be this bad?

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I'd like to write a note to say how pleased Ive been with skydiving at netheravon, me and a freind have been jumping at a few different dz's around the south of England trying to progress to our B licence and trying to find the best dz, we struggled to get any attention at a couple we tried and after visiting them time and time again didnt progress.
We then went to netheravon, and in a month of jumping there we today got our B licences and passed our packing course, I would fully recommend nethers, its definately my home dz now and would like the thank everyone who helped us get our B licence.
Matt watkins & Barry o'connel

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Having been jumping at Netheravon for 6 years, (including driving past other DZs to get there), I can only conclude that there are 2 DZs in the UK called Netheravon, as I recognise very little of the negative criticism.

Are the staff anal, or just safety conscious, acting when people are unsafe/risk the lives of the rest of the jumpers? If what Nethers does is perceived as anal, I'd be very worried about jumping elsewhere!

However, given the lack of names of people firing criticism, my suspicion is that they are all written by the same bitter person who was banned for his own safety, not to mention ours...

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I've been a jumper at nethers for the last couple of years and have seen nothing but decline. Under the previous APA head Gwyn Burton, things flowed, aircraft turned, things happened.
Things really have done a U-turn since he left. Costs have gone up by 50% and the DZ has become a wasteland of bad attitudes, alot like Headcorn in fact. Never you mind, weston is just up the road.

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I loved the skyvan, apart from the friendly but gushy caroline hughes it was rather a poor showing but with great aircraft. If a civilian DZ had the resources the army threw at this DZ, they would certainly dominate the UK scene. Surprised the BPA lets them get away with undercuting the other operations, other places have to pay rents and staff.
Back to Sibson or Langar! You get what you pay for!

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Nethers is a big club which attracts big numbers hence the amount of reviews. Attracting a lot of Tandems at the moment but still able to keep the regular jumpers in the air due to aircraft availability. Was a bit concerned at the negative reviews so checked out the profiles of the author. Interesting.....perhaps someone may have been banned do'ya think. Great, go jump elsewhere I am gonna stick to Nethers and enjoy the big way load organising, friendly atmosphere, vary the types of jumps I do and make use of all the free coaching available before sinking a few beers in a rocking party bar.

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poor customer services, poor organisation and bad attitudes from some staff members ensure that Netheravon will continue going down hill until the Armed forces eventualy pull the funnding that keeps this badly run skydiving center afloat!

Yet again another case of a British DZ that great potential going to waste!

Netheravon is a millitary Parachuting operation that shows up the British army and i a example of how things go wrong when senior staff are appointed through a old boy net work.

Dont bother with it.

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What is going on at Netheravon?
No much by all accounts. Bad Vibe, Slowwwwww turn around and nothing else going on other than RW.
Im sure I drove up to Nethers in my car and not a tardis! when I turned up it was like being back in the early 70's. Bad hair and sweeny style shouting??!Whats up with that?

Seems the place to be if you like wearing booties.

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There are enough bad reviews for Nethers but unfortunately there is going to be another one. I went there just for the weekend to enjoy seeing a very good friend doing her first jump. The access it’s quite difficult and you can get lost quite easily if you don’t know the area. For a start, I have never been in DZ where there is so much favouritism, bad manifesto organising and attitude towards outsiders from both staff and locals.
It’s a military DZ and many of its members are in the Army, if you show up knowing nobody there being a civilian just to get few jumps and check the vibe most likely you are going to find an atmosphere full bad energy. Some people there made me feel really uncomfortable and alien.
Some of the guys in the military forget that they are the ones in the Army or whatever. The rest of the people can’t be treated in the same bossing way they talk to themselves…Some people where ordering me around!
Besides the manifesto organising is the worst I have ever saw, waiting for 3 hours to get in a load is totally inconceivable and there are no excuses to such incompetence. It didn’t happen not only once but several times and to several people, there were some jokes around about manifesting that weekend for the next one. I have spent the whole weekend there manifesting from 9 am and only managed to get 6 jumps.
It’s very unlikely I will ever go back to Nethers, I’m deeply disappointed with the staff, some of the locals and the DZ operation in general.
If you like FS they have a very good load organising, that’s the only good thing I can point out really, the rest isn’t too good I'm afraid.

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After reading most of the reviews of Nethers, good and bad, I believe that its issues as a comercial operation are not really the result of poor managment or lack of facilities, but are the result of bad old school attitudes.

It seems to me that there some club members that are to quick to critisise the center faults and by doing so spread ill feeling amongst its members. But I also feel that netheravons staff and associates take a somewhat adolecent/imature stance against these gripes and winges and end up sinking to their detractors level. Not such a great idea as this undoubtly creates social rifts within the club resulting in bad vibrations.

All the special guest stars, events and great fleet of aircraft are totaly overshadowed by petty school boy antics and if you dont believe it just read the other reviews and recent counsil minutes.

Come on guys, its only skydiving.

Ever get the feeling some people are missing the point. Lets not forget skydiving is about fun and personal/team progression. Who wants to spend their weekends winging on about who did what and Person A dislikes person B.

Its time for everyone to pick up their teddys from the corner and focus on the right stuff, Skydiving.

Post by a blatant troll. Hahaha.

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I came back to Netheravon after a lay-off from skydiving due to work commitments and (eek!, sorry for swearing on site). I had started jumping at Dunkeswell and then jumped at most of the UK DZs and a lot of international ones too. I wondered what it would be like “making a come back”. I decided on Netheravon.

In fact, it was like coming home! People were helpful, friendly and yet highly professional in their support. Like everything in life “its all about people”;

In my view, “Nethers people” are diverse, idiosyncratic, committed, fun loving and absolutely passionate about this amazing sport and about life in general. They also strive to be meticulous and systematic in terms of how safety and training are implemented, and they don’t suffer fools gladly because a sport like ours doesn’t need fools (fools tend to cause injuries or worse). On the other hand, if someone is simply inexperienced or misguided, there is always someone who can and will help them at Nethers.

I’ve seen some people “bounce off” Nethers. Some of those “bounce-offs” are the people who believe that systems and processes which are designed for safety (of all) and training should not apply to them. Who knows why those people feel this? Maybe it’s because they are very, very good at what they do and need more flexibility and personal challenge? Maybe it’s because they tend towards anarchism as a personal attitude for life? Maybe they just know best? Maybe they are just fools?

What I know is this; Nethers is a real community, which takes care of its people, its visitors and its friends alike. Like any other (very busy) drop zone it has its share of “happenings” but lets put it in perspective. When a DZ does almost thirty thousand jumps in a year, and graduates sixty AFF students (from stats 2005, how many other DZs can say that?) it must be doing something right. Look at the stats for the other DZs, and consider that with (currently) 26 reviews and a 4 star rating, you are getting a relatively good statistical base for making an informed decision on where to spend your money (and more importantly, your time). Its easy to get and maintain a 5 star rating if you have only one or two ratings and nobody bothers to review you – so what does that say? On the other hand, if you “get busy” in a vibrant DZ and try lots of things, there is bound to be lots of feedback, one way or the other. Personally, I’d be worried if there was no feedback because it would imply staleness and stagnancy, which are certainly not the facets you would find at Nethers.

So in closing, please come visit Netheravon with an open mind – and lets have some fun - you won’t regret it (and that also counts for those who have written negative reviews too, because life is too short to snipe at each other init?).

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I'm a little distressed at the number of Nethers regulars and staff that seem to think I have been slating the place. Get your facts right first, folks! I have many friends at Nethers (after all, I did persevere on RAPS there to my A licence) and after South Cerney, it is my DZ of choice. No DZ is perfect and Nethers is no exception. Turnaround times can vary greatly and there is a certain 'in-crowd' element there, but don't let that put you off if you've never tried it. The instructional staff that taught me were nothing but exemplary in instructional capability, manner and friendliness. When it's rockin' there aint nowhere better than Nethers.
Cookie - the freeflyer now at Cerney!

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I ve recently done my AFF course at Nethers.

Being a military para and having jumped in many countries all over the world, I think that I am in a position to make valid comparisons.

I found Netheravon (APA and the Joint Services Parachute Centre) an excellent place to train and jump.

AFF course co-ordination has been excellent with a definite flavour of personal treatment.

All the instructors (including former national champions and current Red Devils) are fully dedicated to the cause. All AFF jumps are filmed and debriefing is carried out using video facilities.

Pefect landing area, actually the biggest in Europe.

There has always been availability of rigs,jumpsuits and related equipment.

The manifest, recently equipped with screens placed at key points, works very efficiently.

Staff is extremely friendly. The bar and restaurant are really good.

Free accommodation at bunkers is available during weekends.

MOD police at the main gate are always smiling and polite. It takes less than 5 minutes to get in, even in busy days.

Overall, highly recommended.

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There are a good mix of old/new faces (ages 16 to 70) and skydiving disciplines at Netheravon. Onsite every weekend - Advanced Body Flight FS Coaching, RAW Flight Club for Canopy Coaching, Caroline Hughes Load Organising - its all there!

It's a military DZ, civilians very welcome. Just call before you go. As it is a military base, there is a guard room, so check in early to avoid Tandem queues on the weekends.

Cessna 208 Grand Caravan, Turbine Islander and Piston Islander online every weekend. With a LET410 one weekend a month, including most Bank Holidays.

Teams very welcome in both FS & FF Disciplines, Coaching, Load Organising, good parties, regular visits from World Class Coaches, Team Extreme, PD Factory Team, Deland Majik (All in 2005) and ever improving facilities makes for a very friendly club with a great atmosphere.

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You will read a few DZ reviews on here that paint Netheravon in a somewhat disparaging or negative light, can I ask you bear a few things in mind...

One time only visitors, bleating on about bad weather etc., and using troll names (Profiles without a real identity) are probably malicious and uninformed.

Others going on about time-to-mainfest, may have only turned up at 10-11am when the DZ is in full swing (regulars are manifesting at 0830), so you can expect to have a delay... You don't arrive late at a rock concert and then slate the band because they don't restart their set just for you?!?

Please take some of what is said with a pinch of salt, if you want someone to show you around and introduce you to the relevent people etc., look me up when you arrive.

Cheers, Mike

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