MBiegs

Where is that? Are there signs designating it? I'm honestly curious about this because it seems like a bad way to keep your cattle/sheep/horses from running off. All they'd have to do is walk down the road and they could go anywhere a car could go.

A illegal alien can't buy/own a house.

Hey man, you're thinking outside the box, that's great! Too many people on here are pointing out what they did wrong and not pointing out any other possible ways to deal with the situation.

The problem is that a warrant to search a home does not allow them to arrest you down the road, or during a routine traffic stop, or even to arrest you. You can be detained during the search, and then subsequently arrested. (he was subsequently arrested within minutes because they found something, or he had an arrest warrant already issued for him... you'd probably have to get a copy of the warrant and/or report to tell what is going on)

If he leaves the house with the drugs, unless the police see him with the drugs, they wouldn't be able to even pull him over or they'd risk all of the evidence they collected being thrown out in court.

I'd say their goal here is not to "nab" him; it's to search the house. If you conduct the search while everyone is home you can search not only the home, but the vehicles there(as long as that is outlined in the warrant) and search any persons there. I’m not saying the wife was in on it, but I’m sure she knew about it and probably would do anything to help her husband out.

As for using the pepper spray on the dog, it doesn't look like there was enough time to put down the gun and get the pepper spray out. It also doesn't work on a lot of animals. When I got pepper sprayed I could still fight, handcuff, and pry my eye open and put rounds into a target.

The problem with the taser is that it is very hard to direct both probes into an animal. It’s even challenging getting two probes into a person who is not standing vertical.

Contrary to popular belief, stake outs don't happen as often as CSI would make you believe. They may have only witnessed him purchasing drugs a few hours prior to this or they may have even sold him the drugs.

The decision is do they act on they information they have, or collect more information and risk them destroying evidence... or smoking the evidence.

Wasn't it, in a way, his fault for putting his family through this?

HE was the known drug dealer.

HE gave police and the judge cause to believe he had something in the house that was illegal.

HE decided to sell and use drugs around his family and child.

I think we can all agree that breaching the living room with a tank would/could hurt innocent people, so let’s not be ridiculous and at least try to be constructive here.

It seems like you have two issues here, their use of force (armor and guns), and their choice to shoot the dog, so lets deal with them separately.

If, while legally doing my job, I come across a growling and barking at me I’d choose to eliminate that threat IF, and ONLY IF I feel the dog poses an imminent threat to my safety or someone else’s safety. The things that would be running through my mind might be, is the dog moving and or running towards me, is he showing teeth, is he in an attack/pounce posture? As heartless as it sounds, if I’ve shot the dog, worst case scenario, I’ve shot a good dog and I owe you a new one. Best case, the dog was really going to attack and I've saved a leg, arm, face, or family jewels from being shredded. Either way I’d feel terrible for a long time for having to take ANY animals life; regardless of weather I’m justified, because I know it’s doing only what it’s trained to do.

I can see this has you worked up, but you still have not answered the question of how they SHOULD enter the house. Do you think having extra officers, armor and weapons at the scene was a bad choice? If so, why?

How would you have entered his house?

Knowing that your children, wife, and the rest of your family and friends want you to come home in one piece, would you enter with too few weapons and not enough armor or would you be geared up and prepared for a worse case scenario?

My first jump was a tandem last year in April. It was a suggestion she had on a 2nd or 3rd date and I didn’t want to say no. I probably would have put it off for a while and eventually not gone, but they had a special for 130 if you booked in April.

65 jumps later, I’m glad she suggested it!!

Thanks for the website!! I’ve never seen a list like this and it's astounding!! It'll take me a while to digest and go through these names, but so far I’m going up the list from the most recent and I can only see that the people have died... as the list says "after being tasered.” I'm still trying to find a list of people that have died as a direct result of ONLY being tasered and not because of an underlying medical condition. I think the list does a very good job avoiding blaming the taser for the death by using words like “related to” and "after being tasered” but doesn’t say that the deaths were caused solely by the application of the taser.

My point of bringing up their word games is that being shocked and handcuffed can throw someone into a state of "Excited Delirium" and they can die from that, but so can any physical altercation resulting in the police putting their hands on someone. I watched a video physical fight in one of my classes where after a man fought with police and was handcuffed he died as a result of this "Excited Delirium." The police preformed CPR, rushed him to a hospital, did everything they could, but he died anyway. No taser was used, but if it was, I’m sure he would have been added to this statistic of people that have died "after being tasered" even though he didn't die because of the taser.

Do you know of any list of people that have died as a result of only being shocked?

Hey, where did you get the list of people that died by taser? Just curious because I wasn't able to find that list. As far as I know every person who has died form being struck with a taser has had underlying medical conditions.

The problem is that people can die from oc spray too. I can't imagine it'd be too good for someone who has asthma to get sprayed with OC, so it's a risk either way.

In certain circumstances it's a lot safer incapacitating someone using either taser or oc spray than getting into a physical altercation with someone who is not complying with an officers legal requests.

After chasing after someone for instance: you're out of breath, tired, fatigued, and that person is trying to get away at ALL costs. Your choices are to spray them in the back with OC(won't do anything), taser them, or risk getting into a physical confrontation(in which case an officer could lose both the fight and his gun … and a whole lot of people would be in a world of trouble).

I’ve experienced both and that if I had the choice, I’d take the taser. OC was horrible, it took an hour before I could keep my eye open on my own and I got to use water right after getting sprayed. If you get sprayed because you weren’t complying with an officer you’re most likely not getting a chance to wash it out for a long time.

In the end, just be a good boy/girl and you won’t have to worry about experiencing either.

When I realized she couldn't hold her liquor...

I think what the post was referring to is that your odds are the same every jump. (Statistically based only on total fatalities vs total jumps, not taking into account everything else mentioned here)

I think he's just saying that your odds of a fatality on jump 5000 are the same as your odds were on jump 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.