• Content

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Feedback


Posts posted by jjudd

  1. Quote

    Post: Points well taken, however, I'm with AggieDave on this one.

    "Harness Only" approaches look like a great technique to explore but on a practical note, in terms of optimal performance and Competition, I am not aware of any recent Top level, World Champion CP pilots who have set speed or distance records Without initiating their turns with deep front risers. I am not sold on the idea that the "Harness only" technique is capable of reaching the Vmax necessary, although it may come close, for the proving grounds that are the CP Competition Circuits. I Would love to see some "Harnessers" beat Nick Batsch, Curt Bartholemew, all of PDFT including you Ian, without using Fronts. FRONT RISERS STILL RULE THE DAY UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.... I would encourage all Harness only proponents to put their technique up against the worlds best and take it to their local CP association comps and may the best man win.

    proven otherwise unfortunately... you are incorrect, nick batsch does pretty much an all harness turn fyi

    harness is equally effective as fronts with a turn from a high enough altitude, especially on modern comp wings we are hitting equal vertical speeds harness or fronts, we all have the data to prove it too with flysight etc, and no competitor is using fronts all the way through their turns anyhow. Mid turn were all in the range of the high 80s to high 90's mph and some have hit above that on their wings now

    AS for the local comps- flcpa etc are all happening and we are all neck and neck with different techniques. Take curt back when he won his first world medal doing a 270 with his usual fronts riser style and other competitors had comp revisions no one else had, I've placed myself in klatovy 8th overall, 3rd accuracy, of almost 100 competitors with all of the top 20 on PI's and Petras doing and all harness 270 on a vc84. My point is turn size and technique though important are not what make you win a meet or perform better then any other competitor.

    Its all about who can be the most consistent on their gate placement and without sacrificing power and speed to make the gate ( clean turn and placement on the course), small mistakes make the difference of a 2.3 to a 2.6 and 120m run to a 150 m run now days. you can contend with any technique if your consistent and able to place it where you want each time. come out and play at the flcpa etc and see the proof if you don't believe it

  2. Quote

    Kind of like how many blades can they put on a razor. Pretty soon Gillette will be in the parachute business making a "Penta" or "Quinta" braced Turbo.

    Nailed it ^^

    Clearly there are petra's and peregrine's in Europe and they are a faster and more efficient wings.

  3. Quote

    I stopped using an AAD ever since my Vigil fired during a swoop and my reserve dragged me into the swoop pond at Mile Hi. At one time I considered buying a speed CYPRES. The firing parameters are as follows:

    activation speed: 96mph (old firmware), 102mph (new firmware)
    activation altitude: 750 feet to 330 feet

    However, I've noticed it is possible to trigger these firing parameters with the new generation of canopies. I've seen a Peregrine hit 97mph at sea level and I've seen a Petra hit 101mph at 5000' MSL. Peak speed usually occurs around 400 feet.

    I'm curious if anyone has been swooping with a speed CYPRES and if there have been any incidents.

    I use mine all the time on my comp velo, keep in mind these are fun jumps- thus im not loaded up more then 2.4-2.6 depending on how fat i am at the time B|and typically not doing more then a 270 if that on those jumps.

    I keep it on in that rig if i switch to hop and pops for the afternoon too up to 630s on the vc at 2.7 just because i don't go in and turn it off, its very hard to reach the firing parameters on a vc unless you really load up and are jumping 5000asl it could be close then, use your best judgement.

    Heres my 2cents, if you have a canopy out and are unconcious (hard opening collision etc) its going to be very unlikely that the speed version will fire on most wings so no harm there, and it elimintes the saftey issues of swooping with a cypress on almost all jumps, if your doing dedicated cp training i opt not to use it, but i owe it to my friends and family to give myself every opportunity fro survival on all other jumps. Keep in mind Cypress is awesome and will change your aad to whatever mode on your service or if you send it in.

    On my petra i do not turn it on at all ever and if i forgot and fun jumped it with it on ( which wont ever happen because thats a comp wing not for fun jumping) it would be a straight in landing. Nz's Leia may change the fun jump and swoop with a cypress scenario but again if were fun jumping there is no reason to get your swoop on with 20+ other jumpers in the air, all smaller turn in a dedicated area is still very risky with all the traffic,

    all cp training and comp hop and pops i leave it off always, keep in mind your only chance for an issue where you need it is very limited in those scenarios

  4. Quote

    Then you haven't been paying attention, Justin. There are been some SERIOUSLY hard impacts with injuries ranging from the post above, to torn abdominal muscles, to ego.

    Small "skips" hurt like hell under these wings at these speeds.

    More to come, I'm sure of it.



    By my count other then small skips off the pond in a window that is so small any error will result in that, I count 0 incidents on these forums of people smashing into the ground on them from poor judgement

    No one said those don't hurt Ian, They do, however remember we choose to push those limits and we need to accept our injuries as they happen as a result of our judegement/poor decisions. Every pilot with one of these wings has more then an adequate amount of experience to make proper judgements and recognize when they are too low or too tight. You see lots of good decisions from alot of these pilots when they find themselves in those spots. As well some poor ones. So yes Injuries will continue to come. As will the injuries that do occur even when everythings going well.

    Are there more skips and injuries to come in a comp setting? sure its been that way and thats not going to change anytime we push it that hard to be spot on. That said the injuries from extremely poor decisions can change, referring to the people attack and stab out last second barely getting away with it or smash in. Have most of us been there and done that, yeah and hopefully we learn from it

    I am talking about the serious incidents from a lack experience. Injuries from the type of person just mentioned that hook it into the ground from lack of experience and training wont be occuring on this new petra lite. These wings are all regulated for that reason. This wing(pertalite) wont find its way to these people I sure as hell hope

    Poor choices in a competition setting trying to make gates when too tight isnt a poor judgement by an experienced pilot. Its that pilot thinking all "well I'm going for it either way because I cant take a 0". No this is not every persons mindset but there definetly are those like that. There is full awareness of the danger in doing so by those pilots and that's the time to take the 0. Sometimes you get away with it, when you don't its not worth it.

    Off my soap box now I just think there was some misunderstanding of what I meant. As is how every post gets taken in all these forums immediatley to the negative side of the fence.

  5. Quote

    One broken femur + injured neck in Dubai last November with a pilot under a Peregrine. Could have been another one with a Petra, but fortunately the pond was in the right place and forgiving enough to let the pilot (and the rest of us) off with wet pants.
    Accidents have been happening with JVX and Comp Velos, I see no reason why it would be different with even more aggressive canopies.


    The point isn't that there wont be injuries from these wings. There have been and will be as on any wing.

    The point is the vast majority of the injuries on this forum are from a jumper with an inappropriate wing at and an inappropriate amount of experience. Not from the pilots flying these wings that put themselves knowingly with an above adequate level of experience in a bad postition.

    AS to the neck injury yeah any hard opening is going to hurt someones neck. Ive only seen someones lens pop out of their glasses one time from an opening and thankfully that guy is a tank so he was ok. And yeah it was on one of the same wing that hurt the persons neck in dubai.

    Make a poor decision, roll out low and attack the gates you will hit the water most likely hard. It happens all the time. It comes down to each pilot to make the decision to bail and take a 0 like a man/woman and jump another jump vs hurt themselves.

    Ego's have no place in this sport they only get you hurt. And its our own poor decisions that will put us in that spot.

    Plain and simple, a canopy is not to blame for anything its always our human error other then the freak anomoly of an error in manufacturing of the wing or lineset which does happen.

    Someday maybe we will accept that, and then maybe we can accept responsibility for our actions vs putting the repercussions back on drop zones, manufacturers, and our sport when they arent at fault

  6. Quote

    I think OP's description of Petra lite is a little misleading. This canopy is designed for those cross braced canopy pilots who have fully explored canopies like the jvx or velocity and what something a little more but not to the extreme of the petra which is most likely a sub-terminal-only canopy for competitive swooping. The petra is not a practical canopy for everyday use - thus the P-lite.

    The P-lite is probably being designed for full terminal deployment and can be used in most skydiving day-to-day applications but again the target skydiver would be the velo or jvx pilot with thousands of jumps to his/her credit on that particular wing. Unless the p-lite flight characteristics are going to be very similar to the jvx/velo, then there are only a small fraction of jumpers who should even consider the p-lite let alone the original petra.

    I suspect a big increase in incidents will occur when these wings are let loose on the market. Frown

    FYI the Petra all sail and rds can be taken to terminal no problem, it opens great, alot of the jumpers use it for fun jumps as well as their competitons, i can name several pilots here no problem that do that, some at a lighter loading without lead on some at the same as their regular loading. Also think a 8-10 second delay with lead on your at terminal or faster already. No issues on terminal there.

    As well the large number of incidents you suspect, I highly doubt that will increase. You can do just as much damage on a katana at a 1.6 loading or a crossfire if your not supposed to be on a wing like that.

    No one is going to let someone jump one of these that shouldn't be.

    This wing will be in the hands of good people just like the petra and peregrine are now. How many incidents have you seen on those wings with those pilots? By my count other then small skips off the pond in a window that is so small any error will result in that, I count 0 incidents on these forums of people smashing into the ground on them from poor judgement

  7. yoink


    The 'Lite' version is targeted more at the everyday jumper who wants to have a ZP canopy he/she can use for pretty much everything,


    She is also the ideal stepping stone from a JVX, flight wise she is very similar to Petra, steep dive and long recovery arc.



    Those two sound oxymoronic to me, Chris.

    An 'everyday canopy that can be used for everything' but also a step up from a JVX - a designed-to-be no shit swooping machine.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the JVX and love the GLX that was based on it- but they're not everyday canopies for typical jumpers. They're at the end of the spectrum as I see it.

    You're saying 'steep dive and long recovery' - the only discipline that I can think of in which those would be a bonus is dedicated swooping - certainly not everyday jumping.

    I know nothing about the canopy, but the way you're describing it sounds like the commercial version of Petra, where the little kinks have been ironed out.
    It sounds to me almost like the PD Peregrine but you've taken the opposite tack on marketing - saying it's a extreme do-everything machine for everyone.

    I'd love some clarification - who should buy the Petra Lite? Who's it aimed at and who shouldn't be buying it?

    Again - nothing personal in any of this. But to me looking objectively, the marketing seems too good to be true...

    Not to be rude but that was pretty straight forward, if you need more clarification then you shouldn't be inquiring. Its obviously not for the non experienced pilot with low jumps, cross brace experience prior most definitely will be necessary, ask anyone that has a petra/peregrine.

    Just like a velo/jvx/jfx, its a great everyday canopy for a experienced jumper that wants to still have some fun and get their swoop on at the end of the jump, without the opening and full rds a comp wing brings, it is just clearly the next better wing for that type of jumping in a ZP format

    Fyi the peregrine is subterminal only. And you sign a contract that you will not take it terminal, sell it etc for 4000 big ones :)

  8. Quote

    All around, front risers are way more efficient than harness turns, but it is a good way to finish a big rotation when the pressure is to high, or even better, improve your technique.

    I have to disagree with you here.

    I will say each technique has its strengths and its weakness. No one is more effective than the other.

    Lets look at nick batsch and curt barthalomew for example, both are team mates with equally opposites techniques and overall size of rotations during their turns. Both have and continue to dominate competitive swooping meet after meet. Even going to the PDFT and every other swoop team out there, each of the individual pilots on the teams have equally different turns.

    In theory, and with a perfect turn, maximum canopy speed and potential can be reached by all methods. The point being made here is both are proven and effective methods neither more right then the other. Its all about what a pilot prefers and his past mentors who taught him.

    Flysight data will show and prove this to you if you want to compare speeds, rotation drifts, etc.

  9. Quote

    You missed the pond. Crazy

    Ouch! But very funny! ;)

    To bad Elsinore does not want to be a premiere drop zone anymore.

    They are very touchy with any canopy coaching, yet they allow high performance landings over the dirt, only coaching available is B license check offs. all in all a bad recipe and shame on the dz for the lack of training people to become better pilots considering every jump ends safely with a landing.

    Good work Nate keep it up

    and to a poster a while above, those are katanas not velos

  10. FLCPA Meet #1 / Skydive City Z-Hills / February 2-3
    FLCPA Meet #2 / Skydive City Z-Hills / March 2-3
    FLCPA Meet#3 / Raeford Parachute Center / April 13-14
    CRCPL Comp1 / Skydive Sacramento / April 20th, 2013
    FLCPA Meet #4 / Skydive City Z-Hills / May 4-5
    US CP Nationals / Skydive City Z-Hills / May 6-12
    Danish Nationals / NJFK Jutland / May 18 - 20
    FLCPA Meet #5 / Skydive The Farm / June 1-2
    Black Mountain CP comp / Zwartberg, Belgium / June 21-23
    CRCPL Comp2 / Skydive Sacramento / June 29th, 2013
    CRCPL Comp3 / Skydive Sacramento / July 13th, 2013
    CSPA Canadian Nationals / Nouvel Air Skydiving, Farnham, Quebec / July 18-20
    Pink Open / Skydive Pink, Klatovy, CZ / August 15-18
    CP World Cup / Kolomna, Russia / August 24-29
    4rd "PARA-SKUF" Association Canopy Piloting Open Cup / Kiev, Ukraine / September 5 - 8
    CRCPL Comp4 / Skydive Sacramento / September 21st, 2013 -----CANCELED-------
    BPA British Nationals & Open / Dunkeswell, UK / 20-22 Sept
    French Nationals / Castelnau Magnoac, France / 27-29 Sept
    SunPath Products Canopy Open, Raeford Parachute Center, October 10-13, 2013
    PD Project Orange-Lord of the Strings/Zephyrhills October 16-19, 2013

  11. Quote

    everyone should know how to stall their canopy and recover... with risers and toggles!!!!

    first thing people do is panic and release EVERYTHING.... big mistake, slow and controlled is the key!!!

    if you have never stalled your canopy you dont really know how it flies under EVERY condition

    I never said no one should stall their canopy and not learn how to recover from it. Its an important part of flying your wing regardless if its a sabre or peregrine, as was noted.

    I practice it on all my wings and I have hit that point unintentionally on set up for landing giving it just a tad too much in deep brakes before initiation of my turn. Knowing how to salvage it has saved me from a low cutaway or worse.

    That said, that first video is taking it to a whole new extreme, remarkably cool but like I said likely to have a non needed cutaway. I don't go stall my wing every single jump just because I can. Its a respect for knowing what it can do and how to recover from it, furthermore knowing how not to put it there while getting the most from your wing is even harder. Give me a test wing on a 3rd attachment point and lets have some fun up high by all means

  12. I cant figure out why the hell anyone would want to do that on a velo unless it was r and d. and why still furthermore you would want to replicate it for fun.

    and judging by the lack of a 3rd setup for a test wing, and that being a velo out of his main tray from a normal high pull im assuming that was just for the hell of crazy piloting.

    any canopy will stall from normal flight given enough input, great to practice up high but not to that extreme in my mind unless for r and d with the necessary safety precautions taken. Doing that to that extreme on a highly loaded wing is likely to result in a cutaway as it did. Its great to know where your canopy's stall points but you dont need to get crazy to find it.

    It is interesting to see what the velo can recover from however.

  13. unfortunately in america today the vast majority of decisions are based on whats best for the business, ie profits and good publicity, not the end users and workers. Again not something we can change at our level.

    Its going to take someone with alot of money and no care to burn it to change that dynamic in any business

  14. try this, that running a business isnt as simple as all of us think. I still think we should have a pond, thats not going to change anything. no one cares about your opinion unless your important and still with that you need to influence that important decision

    And yes there is some importance to money because if it isnt there then there will be no drop zone, without it we couldnt jump, have a home, car, gas etc. simple as that

  15. yeah still sucks that we cant get a pond back down here right now but to understand both sides for me took along time. The only reason I do is from actually talking to the dzo to have the full understanding of why what happened happened. And it makes sense.

    Some day I would like to hope we will again have a venue in socal with a pond to train. For now just a high performance area is good.

    I can say it is probable it would be at a new dz however, as it will be along time before perris or elsinore have another pond if it ever happens

  16. Quote

    sac is a very long drive for me and my coach. I just don't seem to understand, I know having one is a liability, but how do the east coast dz's get away with it?

    Its not getting away with it at all.

    The problem is elsinore and perris are big dz's catering to tandem business and large events. Bad publicity greatly effects their business and there were enough incidents in minimal amount of time to make it easy to say were done. On top of that add the investigations that follow and continued time consumption by lawyers.

    That said High performance landings aren't going away anytime soon. And I've seen equally as many incidents from a 90 in the main at both dz's.

    But I will attest that now I hardly see anyone trying big turns(that shouldnt be), though still they are allowed where the pond once was. Now you only see the people that are serious over there. The pond wasnt so much of a i need to do a big turn as it was a target of fixation that resulted in alot of low turns and impacts for the non coached and people trying to swoop fixated on the water. Simply moving it out along ways away from the main would have greatly helped the situation to make it no longer a target of fixation and "im cool swooping the pond location".

    The trip to train where you have a pond though long (for me 8hrs+ to sac) is worthwhile. For competitors no pond makes zone accuracy and distance really hard to train, additionally there is no margin for error on the lake elsinore concrete dirt.