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  1. 3 hours ago, porpoishead said:

    What stopped the massacre?? An armed person correct??

    Nothing....
      The gunman was confronted by school police and exchanged fire before entering the school.  The gunman went inside and killed 21 people so far. The school police were shot and unable to stop the massacre.

  4. 5 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:



    What would have happened if the mob breached the room before Pence could escape?
    There's a rather nasty part of me that would have loved that. To see Trump's little toady being dragged outside and strung up for failing to worship the Orange Idiot. 

     

    Regardless of how I feel about Pence, I'm glad it didn't happen.  Don't forget that the electoral votes were in the Senate chamber and were grabbed by pages.  Can you imagine the constitutional crisis if the insurrectionists burned those votes? Sure they could be replaced, but how long would that take?

  6. · Edited by lummy
    clarity

    9 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/07/maryland-governor-says-pentagon-repeatedly-denied-approval-to-send-national-guard-to-capitol/?sh=12ae14e86cb4

    https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1347364591521701890

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/national-guard-assistance-requests-denied-capitol-riots/65-e3ad38e5-f574-49d2-bfee-d3f504d7e53f

    Most of the reporting appears to be on the Maryland side, but doesn't change the concept.


     From what I have read, Virginia NG has a standing mutual aid contract to provide support  to DC in times of crisis, whereas Maryland did not have the same support contract in place.
     As I understand it, Virginia NG did in fact provide support, but only after Pence and Pelosi personally activated them. Members of Congress tried to activate Maryland NG but were stymied by lack of contract and Sec of Def denying support.
     DC NG which was on scene  during the insurrection  was  not allowed to interact with protestors nor deploy the quick response force due to Secretary of Defense restrictions

     

     

     

  7. 4 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

     Again no justification for deadly force, had she breached the door that would have been a different story.

    Can’t we all just agree that a needless death is a tragedy?  The blood lust from the left is disturbing.

    she lifted herself up and was going through the broken window of the door. Are you arguing  that  the officer had to wait another second for her to be completely through the door before deadly force is allowed?
      Was it needless? Of course, it was.  She put herself in that position by her actions by storming the Capitol

  8. · Edited by lummy

    4 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

    I didn’t see her breaking anything (even if she did, vandalism is not a justification for the use of deadly force) and I didn’t see how she posed an imminent threat to anyone.  

    wow...... she's part of a mob who just broke down a door and she is personally trying to gain entry into a secured area, but she's not culpable for her actions

  10. 25 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

    Hi Joe,

    Re:  ' I just don't buy that a self pardon will float.'

    I don't buy that anyone can pardon any other person until that person been convicted of a crime.

    Jerry Baumchen

    Nixon was pardoned  and wasn't even indicted

     

  11. 50 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

    Stories coming out now how Acting Defence Secretary did not allow Virginia National Guards to be deployed as requested by congressional leaders and Virginia Governor.

    Capitol under siege, coordinated and urged by the president with federal entities refusing backup.

    Also to be noted that the DC National Guard were controlled by Trump. They were given explicit instructions not to be provided live ammo or riot gear, would not be used to interacti with rioters except in self defense, and could not share equipment with Capitol Police  unless specifically approved by the Defense Secretary.. Also,  their "quick deploy force" could not  be used except as a last resort.
    Lastly, it was Pence and Pelosi that finally got the NG activated, not Trump
      

  12. Quote

    However, if the 2nd letter is already written, and the 'submitter' is in Pelosi's office, waiting for Trump's rebuttal, then it would follow the rules. 
    And no action against the VP or cabinet could stop it. 

    What if Pres has 16 letters of "you're fired" made ahead of time, submits his rebuttal , then hands the letters to his cabinet. Is that second letter still valid if the Cabinet is no longer?

     

  13. 22 minutes ago, jakee said:

    No, there is no ambiguity.

    How is this clear?

    he shall resume the powers and duties of his office -->unless <--- the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President 
     

    It does not say until

  14. 50 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

    No, only if Pence cannot get a majority of cabinet to agree with him is how I read that.

    My edit took out the part I was quoting

    That’s how the vice president takes over. But there’s a provision for the president to get his job back.

    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.



    So the process is more like Jakee outlines which was the point I was trying to make.


    And since this has never been done before, there is also some ambiguity over who is in charge during the 4 days the cabinet is trying to overrule the president

  15. · Edited by lummy

    5 minutes ago, ryoder said:

    No, it takes effect immediately.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/07/919400859/what-happens-if-the-president-is-incapacitated-the-25th-amendment-charts-a-cours

    Only if Trump doesn't appeal
     

    Quote

    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/21/how-removal-under-th-amendment-works-beginners-guide/

  16. · Edited by lummy

    If you're on the side of invoking  the 25th, would you resign before the term is up creating more chaos , or would you stick around and be a guiding influence?
      MY opinion is if Chao is resigning now in protest of yesterday, she knows the 25th is off the table

     


    Besides, the 25th isn't a one step process.  Trump can appeal the decision.  The cabinet needs to vote again before Pence takes the reins

  22. · Edited by lummy

    21 hours ago, markharju said:

     

    Interesting statistics attached here. I don't know how accurate this table is because it came from Fox News and we all know what lying, motherfucking, racist, bigoted, homophobic pieces of shit they are. In truth, I'd like to learn where they got these stats and if they are legitimate.

    foxbanner-20200519.jpg

    Lots of misleading information and outright lies in this

    For example, CA tax rate of 13.3% only applies to people making over 1million per year.
     As others have noted, some states (FL and GA are purposely misrepresenting Covid case and death #'s

     

    The graphic also does not take into account Tx 45b pension debt, nor does it take into account that FL and TX receive a disproportionate share of federal aid

    https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Texas-Gov-Abbott-infographic-COVID-19-Newsom-15278727.php

    Think there's a reason Gov Abbot deleted his retweet of this? Hmmmmmm........

     

  23.  My anecdotal evidence is similar to Wendy's.  My step daughter and her fiance got really sick in March. Her Dr said it sounded like the flu and to self quarantine to be safe. After a week of being sick,  she was tested for Covid 19 and got her positive results back more than 2 weeks after she recovered. Her fiance was never tested

  24. · Edited by lummy

    12 minutes ago, airdvr said:

    Not sure where you're seeing those numbers.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/27/coronavirus-many-states-short-of-testing-levels-needed-for-safe-reopening/

    Ohio shows pretty good on this map.  None of the states are where they need to be.

    I think you're reading that data wrong.   It's in fact saying that Ohio would need to perform more than 14k tests daily to come up to the baseline testing recommended by the Fed in order to open by 5/1