dreamdancer

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yep, but the local workers will beat them to it...

That's funny,,,,,fucking hell,,,,,I worked for a local onion farmer in Ontario for a few months,,,,he has no choice but to bring in migrant workers to work the fields to ensure the crop is cared for and harvested, he can't find "locals" to do the job, even offering 3 to 4 bucks an hour more than minimum wage he can't get "locals" to work. apparently the work is too hard and the hours too long

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I could have sworn when I opened this thread this morning prior to heading off to work that the topic was about a bunch of zipperheads who do not possess the skill to drive their high performance automobiles at the limit.

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It's so much easier to villainize others. especially when it is a small group, say, 1%. The one percent cannot defend itself against the 99 percent.

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which is why the minimum wage has to be increased...

Which raises the cost of goods, negating that bloated minimum wage...

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which is why the minimum wage has to be increased...

We have already had this debate with you, ad nauseum. Lets just agree to disagree on the impact of a change in the minimum wage. It isn't something we need to debate unless we like hitting ourselves in the head with hammers!

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The Occupy movement is the force that will revitalize traditional Christianity in the United States or signal its moral, social and political irrelevance. The mainstream church, battered by declining numbers and a failure to defiantly condemn the crimes and cruelty of the corporate state, as well as a refusal to vigorously attack the charlatans of the Christian right, whose misuse of the Gospel to champion unfettered capitalism, bigotry and imperialism is heretical, has become a marginal force in the life of most Americans, especially the young. Outside the doors of churches, many of which have trouble filling a quarter of the pews on Sundays, struggles a movement, driven largely by young men and women, which has as its unofficial credo the Beatitudes:

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall possess the earth.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for justice, for they shall be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons and daughters of God.
Blessed are they who suffer persecution for justice sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

It was the church in Latin America, especially in Central America and Augusto Pinochet’s Chile, which provided the physical space, moral support and direction for the opposition to dictatorship. It was the church in East Germany that organized the peaceful opposition marches in Leipzig that would bring down the communist regime in that country. It was the church in Czechoslovakia, and its 90-year-old cardinal, that blessed and defended the Velvet Revolution. It was the church, and especially the African-American church, that made possible the civil rights movements.

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The other 99 percent do far worse in the United States than in any other developed country. The other 99 percent take home just 82.6 percent of America’s personal income. In the United States the share of the other 99 percent has been falling for decades.

The other 99 percent share of total income reached a high of 92.3 percent in 1973. Back then, U.S. income distribution looked the same as it does in continental Europe today. It fell slightly in the late 1970s and early 1980s. In the mid-1980s it was still over 90 percent. Then the slide began.

The share of the other 99 percent's income fell from 90.9 percent to 83.5 percent between 1986 and 2000. It reached its lowest point at the height of the 2000s boom, just before the global financial crisis. By 2007, the income share of the other 99 percent had declined to just 81.7 percent.

In other words, between the 1970s and the 2000s the United States went from looking like a European country to looking like an African country. Data are available for very few poor countries, but even in South Africa the income share of the other 99 percent is higher than it is in the United States.

The only developed country that comes close to the United States in the decimation of its other 99 percent is the United Kingdom. In the UK, the other 99 percent take in 85.8 percent of total income, down from 90.2 percent in 1990, the earliest year with data are available. Surely it’s no coincidence that some of the biggest Occupy encampments have been in New York and London.

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Good thing that there is insurance. Hopefully, the people working at the auto plants will be manufacturing additional vehicles.

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Speeding was identified as a possible cause of what is believed to be one of the world's most expensive ever road accidents when up to £2.6 million-worth of supercars ended up in a crumpled heap on a motorway in Japan.

Eight Ferraris and a Lamborghini – plus a Toyota Prius – were among the vehicles involved in the crash, which witnesses said happened when a speeding car slid across a wet road surface.

Television footage showed mangled Ferraris – many of them racing red – and debris spread over some 400 metres of the eastbound side of the Chugoku Expressway, the main trunk road in southern Honshu.

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Last week, the 34-nation Organization for Economic Cooperation (OECD) released the results of its most recent study of the health care systems in its member countries, including the U.S., plus six others, for a total of 40. And those results are illuminating.

If Boehner and his fellow Republicans had characterized the U.S. system as the most expensive in the world, they would have been right on target. But they would have been way off base by calling it the best.

The OECD report is just the most recent evidence that Americans are not getting nearly as much bang for the health care buck as citizens of most other developed countries -- and even some countries in the developing world.

The OECD found that the United States spends two-and-a-half times more on health care per person than the OECD average. The U.S. even spends more than twice as much as France, which many experts contend has one of the best health care systems on the planet.

The average expenditure per person in the U.S. is $7,960, a third more than in Norway, the second highest. The OECD average, by comparison, is just $3,233. (It is $3,873 in France.)

Here are some reasons why: Hospital spending is 60 percent higher than the average of five other relatively expensive countries (Switzerland, Canada, Germany, France and Japan); spending on pharmaceuticals and medical goods is much higher here than any of the other countries; and administrative costs are more than two-and-a-half times the average of the others.

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which is why you are arguing out both sides of your mouth.

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in your analogy there will be no-one able to buy the cars as the majority will be unemployed. the system will then crash presumably (you tell me)...

How do you think the Automotive Industry has done for the past 100yrs?

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>so ford didn't hugely increase productivity through mass production - he merely
>'increased unemployment'.

He did both. He made more cars with fewer people. If that trend continues, eventually very few people will make a LOT of money and be super productive - and the rest will go the way of those other factory workers that Ford did not employ.

seems to me you're argueing against the nature of the modern economy - growth is gained through increased productivity. you seem to be argueing for the 'luddite' camp. please make yourself clear. was ford right or wrong?

in your analogy there will be no-one able to buy the cars as the majority will be unemployed. the system will then crash presumably (you tell me)...

You are confusing two ideas, which is why you are arguing out both sides of your mouth.