I hope this is not true. I have heard the Nationals 4 Way Intermediate team, R4, from California, winners of the 2008 Gold medel in 4 way Intermediate are all established 4 way Advance/Open fliers. I heard the team was put together a little before Nationals and competed in Intermediate so they could win an easy medal. R4 Members: Jon Martens Rob Radez Deanna Frank Julius Frank Does anyone know if this is true, again, I hope it's not.