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I sincerely apologize for the mix up .

BUT, the term 'clearly outclassing' the intermediate class couldn't be further from the truth. We averaged 13.1, and if you look at the past few years of intermediate scores, we're towards the bottom end of the gold winning group... On top of that, not a single person on our team had ever competed in US Nationals prior to our 2009 meet. You must be crazy to think we should have chosen to fly Advanced class at our first time ever competing nationally. We knew our skill level full well. We had been averaging in training right about what we averaged in 2009, and like I said before, that average very often would not have won. If we had an average prior to Intermediate competition that was 5pts higher than the 10 previous winners, yes we would have competed higher. But not getting higher than a 14avg in training (judged by ourselves mind you), is by no means ground for moving to a higher class.

The piece of your rebuttal that bothers me most, however, is this assumption of Virginia Tech funding the team. Every single jump, every single second in the tunnel, every minute of coaching, every thread that composed our rigs and team suits were all paid from the pockets of us 4 college students. Striving to make ends meet, working multiple jobs over the summer, and packing 5 people in one car and driving 3 hours each way to stay in tents at the dropzone don't really sound like a well funded team. We had very few training jumps and tunnel time together, and that medal was earned on the ground. We built a mock-up of the otter at our house in Blacksburg, and several nights a week we would engineer a 10rd draw, as if competition were the next morning. We would practice exits all through the week, we would walk dives on our own time, visual the formations, and just immerse ourselves as deeply as we could in 4way with our tiny budget that restricted us from the air so much.

I knew exactly what our average would be going into Intermediate Nats 2009. Do some research before you start pointing fingers... please. I knew my skill level very well, I knew my teammate's skill levels, and I knew our team's skill level- and that was a skill level that in most of the previous years was not sufficient enough to carry home a gold. So please, believe it.

Once again, I don't mean to come off aggressive. But please do some research first. Where in the world did you ever hear that we were funded from the school, or funded from anybody? That is just insulting to try and blame our success on someone else's checkbook. Truly a slap to the face. My 3 best friends and I earned that medal through extremely hard work, the deepest most sincere desire to succeed, and a huge long struggle to make ends meet to fund the relatively thin training plan. Point your finger towards the other college teams which actually are funded. Look at their jump numbers. Look at their tunnel time. Look at their coaching staff. Look at their budget from the school. And finally, look at the scores. Then you tell me who earned it. Tell me which team wanted it.



Bwilling- Sorry again to get to you last on each of my posts haha... but I would love to see those pictures... I'll happily send some good material back your way to wave in his face as well .

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Hey Bwilling... I'd be careful with your words as "baby killing"... i had about 250 jumps when we averaged a 23.0 at collegiates in 2009 .

...and with that 23.0 average did you go on to the intermediate level at nationals just so you could easily get a gold medal with no competition?

Let me bring you up to speed big guy-

1) October 2009 Nationals Intermediate- 13.1avg (AA Draw).

2) December 2009 Collegiate Nationals Open - 23.0avg (A Draw),

3) September 2010 Nationals Advanced- 14.5avg (AAA Draw)


So to answer your question, no. Absolutely not. The team entered the Int. Nats expecting nothing... it'd take one hell of a character to expect a victory in his first Nats appearance with just over 200 jumps, 10 tunnel hours, just barely 20 years old, and 15 months in the sport.... someone like that wouldn't find teammates .


I know it's not a huge deal, but I'll give you a brief background of this team just to clear up any arguments
The team was created at Virginia Tech because we were the only 4 jumpers in the club that had a license... The experience levels on the team, at creation, ranged from 100 to 400 jumps. We were all (and still are) poor college skydiver kids, but luckily we worked well together. With Collegiate Nats being our team's original purpose, US Nats came up along the way as kind of a "Sure, why not? Let's see what happens" type deal. We knew the Academy teams would be there, so it would be a good way to see what we're up against for Collegiates 2 months later. We ended up doing pretty well at US Nats, and therefor had a better feeling about Collegiates than we did in the beginning. The team did maybe 30 training jumps between the 2 meets, and showed up at Collegiates rather nervous about what the Academies had been up to since we'd seen them last. The best way to secure a loss is to assume a victory. The Academies have incredible programs with incredible coaching and an even more impressive resume. Definitely not a program to ignore. There may have been a lineup change on the most competitive Academy team between the meets, I'm not 100% on that information... but we just flew our game in the highest class we possibly could. Again, the meet turned out well for our team. I think the reason this meet got so much attention was not because of our high scores, but because it was the first time in 15 or so years that the USAFA had not stood in the center of the podium.... Shannon Pilcher and Ian Bobo were on the last civilian team to stand in the center (Georgia Tech).

After Collegiates, we changed from VTSD to Carolina Turbo XP. Training began for the Advanced class at US Nats, and we pushed forward. The new divepool in the Adv. class includes the remaining 6 blocks, all of which rotate our positions back and forth throughout the skydive. A pretty significant leap in draw difficulty to say the least. Last month CTXP headed to Chicago for US Nats, and again the dedication and desire paid off. This meet was extremely nerve racking until round 10 had posted... Team Fallout was bouncing around at the top with us the entire meet, another extremely impressive team who made it no easy task nor gave us even a single breath of fresh air until the end. Again, hats off to that crew- Great flying through all 10 rounds, and we thank them for such a close and high tension meet .

Carolina Turbo XP is now an Open class team, with a long road and many years ahead of them.


The 4 of us will not be competing at Collegiates ever again.



I Hope that helps clear our name to those against us





Also, Bwilling, I had like 11 or 12 tunnel hours at the time we competed in Collegiates...

Hey Bwilling... I'd be careful with your words as "baby killing"... i had about 250 jumps when we averaged a 23.0 at collegiates in 2009 .

Anyone have any of the previous IPC 4way dive pools? Im curious to see how it's changed over the years...

wooooooooooo carolinafestttttttttt

heres an idea. have a fundraiser flag jump in ohio. maybe from a helocopter?

is this strictly a comp suit or is it a casual RW suit you also may use in 4way comps?

yea i got one too. i just asked him to tell me what exactly my item was and he could have it for free..... no response. oh well, his loss.

bev makes a great casual RW suit. high level competition demands a tony... I have flown a lot with both suits and love them both, for different reasons of course.

i bought a brand new odyssey/cypres2/pd canopies when i was still 16 years old before i had ever jumped. 2 years later i started using it in aff. true story.


actually no i lied. that never happened. i ordered new gear at about 80-90 jumps though.

well see..... i like canopies that have a 2 in the name. like a sabre2, crossfire2, jvx, ya know?

everyone battle to the death with pros and cons. I've been leaning towards sabre2 but i dont know enough about safire2 to rule it out yet. (it would be 170/169 @ WL ~1.35). ok go. battle.

once you get through the first 13, im sayin you slot switch inside and point, and slot switch outside with video. then once you get through the next 13, everyone go head down and pull by 3000'. let me know if you have any questions about this idea...

coach wenger, has there been any progress or any updates on this situation with the BOD? its gone quiet for the past couple days...

i love lamp

everyone please sign the petition!!!

MakeItHappen- email me at [email protected] please. well speak there.

this makes no sense. a high ranking uspa official said:

"The board took steps to clarify the rule and, as you can see, only undergraduate students can participate."


Why did it take 47 years for them to realize they need clarification??

im number 2. just want to bring an interesting point to light: the academy teams are ONLY undergrad. last minute attempt for them to 'level the playing field?' maybe..... very possible? too bad they dont make a rule saying everyone else gets complete full sponsorship from the taxpayers..... ya know, just to level the playing field? i mean we have to be fair....

yes, the fabric of a sillhouette is not really any smaller than that of a same sized sabre2, its like gato said: f111 fabric is easier to deflate of all its air while packing, allowing for a seemingly smaller pack, as well as the less slippery material often helps with tighter and smaller packs.

another thing i might mention that could play a good role in determining an overstuffed canopy/container size match is your reserve. depending on how tightly the reserve is packed, and its orientation of material in the bag, your main can slide into the tray more easily than other times.

for example, my friend is in the same situation we are, stuffing a larger canopy than his odyssey was designed for. our rigger packs his reserve really high up in the container,stuffing as much up into the ears of the freebag as he can, in order to make a little more room in the main tray. I AM NOT A RIGGER. ASK YOUR RIGGER WHAT HIS THOUGHTS ARE ON CREATING MORE ROOM IN THE MAIN TRAY. just an idea though that might help you out :)

the pre K-series javelins have different sizing capabilties though. a J3 can easily fit a 190, while a J3K will have a pretty tough (but do-able) time getting a zp190 in her. The K-series odysseys aren't designed to go up a size as the regular javelins were.

The J3K is sized for a zp170, yes, and could fit a zp190 canopy as well although it will be very tight and stressful on the container. a J3 will give you much less (almost none) hassle getting a 190 in.

I myself have a J3K due in about 3 weeks (FINALLY!!!!) and i will be putting a sabre190 in her for a couple of months before im ready to fly a 170. i talked to sunpath about this and they said it was do-able but wouldn't recommend it for too long as it will stress the container more than need be.

If you plan to overstuff a K-series like that, just be careful and gentle. don't yank or jam it closed, be slow and smooth in closing it, and avoiding storing it for long periods of time while it is closed.

When mine gets in, i only plan to have it packed while it is on my back waiting for a load, or in the plane. No need to stress the container while your rig is sitting in the closet throughout the week.

long story short, silhouette 190 most certainly will fit in your J3K. it will be tight and you must be gentle, but it can be done. PD210 might be a little more fun to try... depends on how small you can get it. let me know how that goes :)

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Are you asking because you want to buy one or are you asking if Sunpath makes something bigger than a J4K?

If you are looking to buy one, check the classifieds, otherwise Sunpath has a sizing chart on their website: http://sunpath.com/sizchart.htm

well i have a new j3k due in 3-4 weeks and im going to be stuffin a 190 in it for a few months. just wonderin if anyone else out there is doing something like this. sunpath said it could be done but they dont recommend doing it for too long... of course when im not jumping during the week ill have the rig packed just not fully closed to save wear and stress on the seams and all.....

does anyone out there have a javelin odyssey (K-series sizing) that has a canopy larger than sunpaths sizing chart dictates? such as a 210 in a j4k (sized up to 190).. or anything along those lines.