TETI

Ciao Giancarlo! First of all congratualtion for all your sucess at Space Games! You rocked! Anyhow, I will for sure come for a visit at your new DZ, it looks just beautifull and cheap as well! It looks like the perfect place for a photo shooting project. You showed me also few pics from a place you guys jumped in the Forest some where in the Amazon? Do you also organize expedition with jumping over there at times? If I come for a visit would it be possible to organize a jump over there? One last question, are you also able for BASE jumpers willing to try Angel Falls to organize the full trip with support and helicopters and experts? Let us know good luck for opening day of the DZ on the 10th september, 10$ tickets sounds good! My birthday is on the 12 september, If I will feel crazy enough I come and have my party over there... Ciao bello! talk to you later Teti

I read again the all thing and I realize i was not correct and I am sorry for that. I apologize for the discussion. I got maybe confused for a moment. Again I want to apologize to you Marco in particular as has i think you are doing lots for this sport and if i refered to your article is because of the freefly vertical staff is probably because i refered to my personal experience which is relative and doesn't necessarely has to be true in the overall. I think it is to be admired and appreciate all your work and your exploration is very important. I also like now to refer to 45 angle flying as Atmonauti in respect of your work, intuition and having inspired many skydivers. What i still think is that maybe I got confused from your article because you were not talking about a specific angle anymore but it looked to me you talked of angle flying, diagonal flying in general....and that is were maybe doesn't corresponnd to my believe or experience, because of all the people in skydiving who dis also some sperimentation on diagonal and angle flying. but this without taking away from all nice things you are doing Also again i referd to the flocking because reaaly the defiition of the limited sector angles doesnt correspond to my experience as a flock. Sorry and I like to close this again apologizing for my stupidity and teliing you that I respect you. Keep on going. W Atmonauti

Dudes i was not talking about inventing, but only reminding what was meant for something....and in specific I was refering to Flocking. At least what we meant when talking about Flock not about what other meant or who invented what. I might have my personal opinion that it is all a natural evolution but that is my personal opinion and as most likely wrong. Though I just wanted to mention Flocking because it is true that it changed its meaning in the long term, but hei its ok, no biggies Flock was meant being able to fly toegether and moving like a flock of birds and a school of fish. that is all i was trying to tell you with this forum...We are still far I guess from being able to do that, we are learning toegther and progressing. And together we are evolving this sport. Freefly in the meaning, as taken out was learning to fly in everyposition, orientation, direction and rotation as possibile. become pilot of our body in the air in control ion all possible way. That does not mean that I personally invented Freefly and neither that i know how to fly in any way. i wish but unlukly... In the end it really doeant matter, who invent what. We are all eveovling and progressing in the flying tecniques and marco and Gi are doing great stuff in the air! Keep on going, and everyone else. I think inventing is a big word, especially say to have invented diagonal and angle flying its a bog thing to say, though if you like to use it beacuse you think its right, well I guess go ahead...i Just wanted to say what Flock standed for when I frist heard about it as a descrition of a type of flight...to what now transofrmed as a definition to 0 to 35 degree...That's it. And whanted to explain what freefly standed for at least from my interpretation from when i heard about it and what i elarned about it...! I personally dont care to have to prove this or that and if people interpreted Freefly in a different way...then what i interpreted...its allright I dont have to prove nothing to nobody...I am not a good freeflyer But I guess forums are for bad wetaher days. lets go and have fun no matter what you like to do or what ever... I apologize and will say no more bull shit! And I aoplogize to marco and Gi which were mentioned here even though I was talking about flocking and freefly definition...not about Atmonauti... i refered at begining on how it looks to me they described Freefly as vertical flying, and i had to say that at least in what i learned about Freefly, whose definition i did not make....Freefly is not only about vertical flying...and definteviely has to do a lot with diagonal flying. Marco and Gi are super good flyers W Freeflyers, Amonauts, Trackers, vertical flyers, diagonal flying, belly flying, back flying and any type of flying, even precision and style and canopy formation and.... see ya later alligatotors

I know perfetly what you are saying I used wrong words. In Olav did not invented Flcoking, not even flying of course. My refering was to definition of Flock as used by Olav to refer to a type of jump where we learn to fly in formation like a flock of birds and a school of fishes do....not invented flock!!! Never thought so, I think flock dives were invented maybe by birds and fishes as a tecnique to protect themsleves from other fishes and birds or as a feeding possibility or as to maximise aerodynamics so the birds behind dont have to make much effort .... And he did not coined the word neither, because deosn't the Term FLOCK normally already exist...in referment to birds behaviuor..of course!!! In tracking I know how much sperimentation was done before, so not saying that he invented tracking neither. Besides, you cannot go too much behind because before the big rigs with reserve in front, could not allow too much movements one time. Mr. Track Mike Michigan knows about it...having made lots of sperimentation a while ago, and so many others.... Not invented diagonal FLYINg neither!!! He just put together different concepts in one idea of Freefly to adapt flying (well GLIDING would be a better term) to human body possibilities. And did a lot to advance and help evolution of humanflight, at e least this lives it... So sorry for that, anyway, when we were refering to Flock at first in Freefly that was what was intended flying in synchro like birds and fish do...with directional changes and angles if you like.... In comparision to another definition existing that Flock dives is limited from anglew 0 to something like 35 degree .....? And yes a big THANKS for all who, like you mentioned, did lots for evolving human flight and nobody knows about them! They din't even use much videos at that time!! Yeap have a good party then!

Ok, I see in the forum lots of definitions, some very new about old concepts (like discovering hot water), and some that don't correspond to what was the original meaning....!!! Uah feel confused. One big one misconception is that Freefly is Vertical....(like I read in the main article today on front page) Freefly is BORN from TRACKING JUMP and DIAGONAL Flight (term diagonal flying introduced by Olav and Mike Vail early in the 90's to describe flying in an angle....(no way!!!)!!!!!! Anyway Freefly is not only vertical, never wa never meant to be only that. Its an overall concept that uses vertical and horizontal speeds and all orientation and direction possible depending on what you are planing to doa nd your abilities and control. Directions means that you are moving going somewhere, so to do so you have to put yourslef in an angle from the vertical... Then if you like I can also explain you why in the evolution of freeflight was important a time in learning certain control before go crazy through and around the sky (But another time) then the misconception of definition of tracking...I read so much used changed and who knows staff about that definition too!! Tracking is flying in an angle, and indipendent from the angle chosen, is a tecnique of flying to fly from point A to B to C and cover horizontal distance. It is known from all who study aerodymanics ( Olav wirte even in his Freefly Book) that the most efficient, the one who give u a ratio 1:1 is at 45 degrees angle. Talking with Mike Michigan who sperimentted loads of tracking in the late 80's at the time they called trakcing till 45 degrees and after that was more called like diving...but theres more to it besides that already at that time they were experiemenitng with feet firts tracking which anybody who knows aerodynamics know that is possible. Side tracking both head-first and feet first, is also known to be possible and experimented with. i myself have been taining with it sicne last year in order to create one day a dream I have since long long time (we were talking about it in 1995) take a start (compress, one feet down one head down) and take it trackinng thrugh the skies...) so tracking to go side ways so I can take that slot in the formation... Here though I like to explain you Flock Dives. Someone start saying around wrong definition of Flock. well wrong in the sense that dont correspond to the original meaning. Now I like to give you the original meaning. FLOCK DIVES were not designed refering to a specific angle at all. So when I read, "oh no flock are pretty steep or as nothing to do with...or no in flock you make no grip or other similar saying...I realy get astonished how it can have changed its original menaing just going from mouth to mouth.... First of Flock Dives has nothing to do with a sopeciifc angle....They can be as flat and as steep as one is pleased to lead them. They can go from vertical to midle steep to steep and vicerversa. Or stay in one angle as pleased. Can have directional changes or whatever, syncornized transitions, grips anwthing you like...Flock was a term intorduced by Olav to define the begining of diagonal flight in a group, and its used to describe a type of jump where a group of people learn to fly synchornized with directional changes, speed changes, angle changes..as you like, all at once all together synchornized like WOULD MOVE A FLOCK of Birds or a SCHOOL of Fish. You can even have different leaders in the group or changing leader during the dive. Heads may be on level or in a typical formation like aerobatics airplane in a V shape The reason why the first flocks show to public done in 1997 at Freefly festival were on the steep side was because with a group of 10 never done before to have the group stay together was chosen not too much of crazy changes. To introduce what would have come later Olav was already showing a changing of angle towards the end of the dive...even with the bests performing grips. This was just the begining, in the evolution of Flock Dives...with a good skill leveld flyers you fly around int he sky and do many different things..again not fixed in one only angle as all the people now describes around...confusing the hell out of me that I know the original meaning...!!!!!! Anyway have good flight have fun Most important for me that it is clear that Freefly is flying Free maximising all the knowledge you have of your body in the air with control, flying, tracking, flocking, vertical, feet down, head-down, sideways, moving or not...YOU CHOSE IT!!!!