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DZO’s are running a private business and as such they have the right to refuse service to anyone. There is no need for attorneys to be involved. If in the DZO’s opinion the guy is a problem he has the right to ground him or throw him off the DZ.
Sparky
True...but look how far that got Denny's with the African Americans (still the largest discrimination lawsuit to date, I believe) and other private businesses that have been sued for mega bux. The spectre alone would nail DZO's to the wall.
From a different side...maybe a DZO doesn't like what someone posts on DZ.com, so they take it out on them via this "list."
I agree there is a problem, and in today's world it's a silly one with seemingly simple solutions. But branding folks with a scarlet letter doesn't seem to be the answer.
Ok this is a little off base. This has nothing to do with being discriminatory and in my opinion bringing something like that totally clouds the conversation. Furthermore, let's talk about a solution not what litigation may occur. As we all know in our litigious society that is a constant concern but I don't think that in a conversation about life and death it has a place.
Call it an advisory list, let people know they are on it and why. This will create not only a learning moment but also a wake up call. In my opinion.
QuoteQuoteWith computers and USPA backing, can't we centralise records of who did how many jumps and where? I'm assuming all jumpers are USPA members.
Also, a DZ could black-mark a dubious jumper so all DZs can quickly check and accept or reject a jumper's business.
What you're suggesting is to maintain an electronic blacklist for all skydivers that have been judged to be "unsafe" by some standard. Ultimately, that's the only way DZO enforcement would have any teeth since without it, the problem jumper can simply go DZ shopping (as was the case in this incident).
Of course, implementation of that kind of policy opens up a whole set of other questions. Who puts the names on the list? What is the criteria? What's the policy for getting your name removed from the list?
Are we as a community really okay with that kind of measure?
This is the "solution" that seems to make the most sense to me. Certainly it is not perfect, and your points are very well take with regard to being put on the list or taken off the list. It would see that the solution would be to not call it a "black list" but a warning list.
Basically the entry would say "xxx Jumper came to my dropzone with x canopy s/he is unsafe for x reasons, Date, time, location." Clearly the person would have to be told that they were on the list. Maybe the solution is that they never come off the list but instead their entries are updated and moved to a different section that would state that they have started making better decisions, gotten the necessary training, become more careful etc.
This would seem to be the most prudent course of action. If you make it searchable by names, checking this list becomes part of checking in unfamiliar jumpers to your DZ. May take an additional 5 min. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
I miss you every day. Thank you for the lessons that you taught us all. I will never forget the conversations we had. Thanks for every thing you did for me and our Country.
RIP DRP
Take care of Reid.
Hamilton
Blue Skies Olen Reid Ashe III Blue Skies.
Hamilton
QuoteQuoteI'm a woman, but here is my take on it:
pantyhose - never sexy ICK!
tights - can be cute and fashionble, but keep it out of the bedroom
thigh highs and stockings - sexy, in and out of the bedroom
smooth bare legs - always in
YES! we have a winner!
agreed!
Thats just my Two Cents.
QuoteI really can't handle Amazing Grace on bagpipes
WOW I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THIS ONE. It gets me EVERY TIME! makes me think of all the great people we have lost!
Stand My Ground by Corey Smith
Will You take me up to rose hill
When you lay my body low
wrap me in a flag and throw some flowers on the ground
say a few words and then let me go,
there's no need to defend my honor
or justify the life i gave
there's no need for the pictures of my happy childhood there please
don't pour salt upon my grave
i knew long ago that i would be the one
to brandish my sword should they beat those battle drums, ohhh
I stood my ground
i stood for something,
worth falling for
Ask my father to forgive me, i know he didn't understand
he worked to hard for way to many years to lose his boy in a foreign sand
there is no doubt he is angry, theres no doubt where he'll place the blame
but don't let him fall apart mama, don't let him go back to those pills
only time will ease the pain, i died a patriot a soldier just like him
fought like he taught me to until the very end, ohh
i stood my ground
i stood for something
worth falling for yeah yeah
worth falling for
i hope this war is worth dying for
i hope this war is worth dying for
i hope this war is worth dying for
Take my strips and take my medals
take my cross and these dogtags too
put em in a package stained with your tears
send em up to pennsylvania ave
my last regards to the man in charge
let him know i served my country well
yeah he was right behind me all the way to kandahar
the night my broken body fell
don't let a day go by without a peaceful prayer
for my brothers and my sisters still fighting over there
they stand their ground
they stand for something
worth falling for x2
i hope this war is worth dying for
i hope this war is worth dying for
i hope this war is worth dying for
Thanks! I hope you all had a great time I will see you all again soon!
Hambone
QuoteQuoteRule #1 - No Redheads!!
They are temperamental, moody and generally more trouble than they are worth.
Them girls are nothing but trouble I tell you.
I'll keep this in mind. So far I've stayed away from the redhead at the climbing gym, but that is only because I'm working up the courage and confidence ...
PS: I'll second the motion that dirtyB is hot, hot, hot!
I have to totally disagree with the notion that red heads are trouble, unless by trouble you mean worth any and all effort, if you get my meaning.
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QuoteQuoteOk, So I haven't seen any of you in a while, BUT...In January I decided that enough is enough, I felt fat and out of shape and wanted to make a change. I looked around on the internet starting in December, and found Operation Bootcamp, honestly the best decision I ever made. I did it in January and March, took feb off so as not to get burned out. Anyway in 3 months I have lost about 30 pounds, taken about 4.5 inches off my waist and put on a bunch of muscle. It really is a lot about what you eat. If you work out and eat like shit, you aren't going to see very good results. The key is to keep that Metabolism kicked into high gear, and make your body work for you.
It builds on it self, the more lean muscle you build, the more calories you burn.
Simply did I miss anything?
Awesome Hammy!!! Good for you. And I don't see that you really missed anything. Muscle good, fat bad. Stick with it, and soon enough you can just maintain with little effort.
I was once told this and it makes the most sense ever. If you gain 2lbs a year for 10 years, which is a low estimate, in 10 years you will have 20 extra pounds. Now more typical is 5lbs a year, and that means you'll have 50lbs extra in 10 years. Maintenance is the key to stopping all this.
That isn't directed at you hammy, it's just a blanket statement.
It should be, but I think I have hit the point where I have to workout, and get jittery/ feel let down when i don't get to.
It builds on it self, the more lean muscle you build, the more calories you burn.
Simply did I miss anything?
Men will lose weight faster than women, sorry ladies that's the breaks. I have read that if you are a woman and you are working out/dieting/whatever you want to call it, you should stay off the scale at least for the first 3 or 4 weeks you are working out. Instead of using a scale you should use a tight pair of jeans or an old bride's maid's dress. Guys you can do the same thing, remember those shorts that you used to fit in...well you will soon. Pictures are also good, I have a friend that puts on a bikini and takes a picture of herself then puts the picture on the fridge, so she is reminded every morning of her goal and where she is trying to get.
The reason that the scale is bad is because you will gain muscle, and 5 pounds of muscle takes up about half the area of 5 pounds of fat. So you may way the same but you will shrink, which lets be honest thats what we are all really after anyway.
That being said, I have been workingout 5 to 8 times a week since January and just at the end of March started stepping on the scale with any regularity.
It is a personal decision but there is my $.05 worth.
Wow thats a miserable post and i apologize.
Yeah thats right...I didn't fall completely off the face of the planet. How you been buddy?
Blacklisting skydivers [was: hard impact at nationals]
in General Skydiving Discussions
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You've made technical blunders as well, and as a result, you're on "the advisory list" because I, the guy that has 1000 X more skydives than you, has determined that you're not a safe guy.
It's a fine line between reality and perception and may be my personal bias, but then again...that's what discrimination is, isn't it? If I put you on "the list," what recourse do you have?
None.
It's not about litigation. It's about branding people with a huge potential to be terribly unfair. If something is seriously wrong, then there is USPA and a 1.6 in the Governance manual (if the USPA had reason to use it)
Big difference between local DZO grounding someone or banning them, and a "list" where people are branded.
As far as "the problem," I don't think there is an "answer." No matter what obstacles and processes are placed, people will contrive ways around them. The "system" isn't really so broken that we see these kinds of stupid incidents occurring all the time.
I addressed recourse in one of my previous posts. Check it out. Suggest a solution. Don't tell me what we can't do, tell me what we can, or may be able to.