MikeJD

gowlerk

The whole point of skydiving is flying in the face of risk.

I disagree. Of course the risk adds a certain frisson, but for me the main point of skydiving is to play and perform in an environment that relatively few people ever get the privilege to experience.

Flying in the tunnel doesn't just remove risk from that experience - it also removes the joy of exits, chasing a rabbit on a tracking dive, building a big-way, leaving the plane last and swooping to your slot, flying a canopy at sunset...

You're right, of course, that it's unrealistic to expect zero fatalities in the sport, and considering what we're engaged in I think statistically the likelihood of being killed doing it is alteady remarkably low. That doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to reduce it further, but the same could be said of road traffic accidents - if we treated driving risk with the same level of respect as we apply to skydiving, I think we'd be saving a lot more lives.

A belated welcome to you, Nabz, and well done on taking your first steps in the sport.
I'm guessing it's pretty cold in Ottawa at this time of year! Are you taking a break over the winter, but planning to get back in the air come Spring?

Welcome back!
So have you had a lay-off, and have you started jumping again?

JerryBaumchen

Hi Mike,

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the passenger showed incredible resilience in hanging on for as long as he did.

If it is the one that was all over the news yesterday, what puzzled me was why the pilot did not put the hang-glider down immediately. From the videos that I saw, he had numerous clear fields in which to land yet he continued to fly.

Jerry Baumchen

From what I could gather from YouTube, he wasn't able to descend easily. For one thing, he was struggling a little to fly because with one hand he was holding onto his passenger.

I don't know anything about hang gliding, but I assume that if you're being subjected to a lot of lift - which presumably the launch site is designed to give you - then it's actually pretty difficult to go down.

Under a parachute canopy, we'd lose height in a hurry by spiraling (unless you're feeling really adventurous and want to deliberately collapse your canopy! ) - I guess a series of hard turns also works for hang gliding, but that would have subjected his passenger to even greater stress. I doubt he'd have been able to hold on if the pilot had started pulling G's.

I can't open that site from the UK - but assuming it's the story I'm thinking of, the passenger showed incredible resilience in hanging on for as long as he did. Mind you, I guess that's why we say 'as if your life depends on it!'

In the video (which I saw on YouTube) it looks as though he could have saved himself from any real injury if he'd held on for a few more seconds. But what the heck - he broke his wrist, but did a great job of saving his own life.

This is common practice in the UK (along with flight-line checks, meaning that everyone on the load must be checked out and signed off by someone else before boarding the plane). It's no great hardship at all - just habit, once you get used to it, and it needn't be any real extra effort for the staff if you put the onus on the jumpers to follow the process.

Different DZs use different methods. Some have a touch-screen PC at the edge of the landing area so that you can just tap on your name to show that you're back safe.

My home dropzone simply has two additional columns next to each name on the printed manifest sheet, for the flight-line check and for signing back in respectively. The jumpmaster checks before the load walks out that everyone's flight-line check has been signed off, and then the manifest board is placed near the entrance to the packing area. When people come back from the load, they put a mark next to their name as they pass (and can put a mark next to the name of anyone else who they know for sure is back).

Dropzone management do take it seriously, and will bawl people out if they return to the packing shed without bothering to sign themselves in.

yoink

Yeah. You'd want a new pair of trousers after that.

The photo of the astronauts in that article is weird. Instead of smiling and relieved they're staring at each other as though blaming the other guy for the failure. Odd one for NASA to release.

Agreed that the photo isn't 'on message', but it's probably just a candid shot of them mid-conversation. It's easy to forget that people don't grin all the time in real life, as they nearly always do when they're looking into a camera lens.

mr2mk1g

One of the suspects (who supposedly was just a civilian living out a life-long dream of visiting the cathedral in some random provincial English city) has now been identified as Colonel of the GRU Anatoliy Chepiga, previously decorated with Russia's highest award, Hero of the Russian Federation by decree of Putin.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/09/26/skripal-suspect-boshirov-identified-gru-colonel-anatoliy-chepiga/

...and the other apparently is a GRU doctor.

It sounds as though you're thinking of your exit too much as a gymnastic exercise - it really shouldn't be, especially when you're jumping solo (it could be argued that there are gymnastic elements to larger linked launches, because everyone is aiming to put themselves into their own bit of unobstructed airflow).

Perhaps you're subconsciously worried about getting clear of the aircraft, but from a floating position where you're effectively outside already then there's no need. You are in a nearly-ideal place. Present the front of your body to the air and let it cradle you as you step away from the plane and gradually transition into a belly-to-earth attitude. Think about keeping yourself on aircraft heading as you slide down the hill.

Maybe you could also review which aircraft handles you are using (inside or outside, if both are available) while you're in the door. Using a rail on top of the fuselage might put you slightly more on your back, but it also gets the maximum amount of your body out of the aircraft and into the wind before you step off. You might be surprised how much of your weight you could take off your feet with the airflow to support you before you even leave the door. You're practically flying already.

Cloggy

For me it was Point Break that got me started

Me too - or at least, it rebooted my interest after a short-lived false start in the late eighties. I don't think there's anything embarrassing about it, either - we all need to get our initial kick from somewhere, and if you're still in the sport after all these years then you've long since shaken off your 'movie-inspired tourist' status.

flyhi

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Westerly wrote:

I was overwhelmingly disappointed with jumping scene in that movie.

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I was somewhat disappointed with it too, because of the fake elements in the shots - but the thing is, they had no choice but to add those fake elements because they were central to the plot.

Maybe better with a different director?

Kathryn Bigelow is a great director, and of course has gone on to produce some highly praised and very well-known work. I doubt she'd have been interested in revisiting the world of Point Break, and although I'd certainly like to see her take on a Mission: Impossible film I think Christopher McQuarrie has done a fine job with the last two.

In general, I don't think we can complain about fakery in the M:I movies - they surely do a lot more 'in camera' than just about any other action franchise you could mention (with the possible exception of the Bourne movies, and I think that series has probably come to an end).

Just to get back to the original topic: I think another good reason to pull both handles is that in a stressful situation like an unrecoverable canopy malfunction you want to have one well-practised procedure that works in all cases.

You don't want to be wasting time and mental energy trying to decide which variant of your emergency procedures you should implement.

Westerly

I was overwhelmingly disappointed with jumping scene in that movie.

I was somewhat disappointed with it too, because of the fake elements in the shots - but the thing is, they had no choice but to add those fake elements because they were central to the plot.

Overall I thought the fact that the actual jumping was done 'in camera' did do a lot to improve the realism of the scene regardless. And I'm glad they did it for real, because I got a kick out of the extensive and fascinating behind-the-scenes footage even if I was a bit underwhelmed by the final result.

DanG

Go watch the iriginal Point Break if you really want to be disappointed in the accuracy and realism.

For me, the thing about the skydiving in Point Break (1991) is that although it's nonsense in technical terms, the direction, the camerawork and the soundtrack really captured the spirit and the sense of being in freefall - the joy and the freedom of it. I think those scenes should still be celebrated for that alone.

I saw a mouse in my kitchen just recently - first time in many years, but several times during the course of the day, which made me think he must have taken up residency.

I'm a sucker for small critters and I hate to kill them, but at the same time I can't have them running around the house, so I set up two traps side-by-side and left it up to fate which of them would catch the mouse.

The first was a homemade humane trap comprising a wooden ramp up to the lip of a large glass vase and a smear of bait on the end of some flimsy card attached to the end of the ramp.

The second was a good old-fashioned lethal shop-bought trap.

At least two weeks on, and I've managed to smash the vase within the first couple of days by knocking it over while walking about. Meanwhile, I've never seen the mouse again.

So I'm down a vase, plus the cost of the trap and the bait.

I like your cup-and-coin design better than mine. If that vase-ruining, money-wasting little bastard ever shows his face again, I might give it a try.

I don't in any way want to encourage you to downsize. The advice given above is smart advice - after a certain point, reducing the size of your canopy increases the risk to your person. You should stick to what you can safely and comfortably fly and land in all conceivable conditions and circumstances.

Having said all that, I just wanted to mention that for me much of the pleasure of jumping smaller canopies isn't about the performance of the canopy at all - it's simply about the convenience of having less fabric to deal with, and that's not an insignificant benefit.

Packing is easier. Collapsing, gathering up and carrying the canopy and climbing into the dropzone van after landing are all easier. Having smaller canopies in turn allows me to have a smaller, lighter rig - and that means that I have a better aerodynamic profile in freefall, take up less room in the plane and in the door, and get less sweaty walking around in my kit on a hot day.

Of course none of the above will be of any consolation when your pocket rocket is winding up on you during opening, or you're trying to get yourself safely to the ground in a tiny field after a bad spot on a gusty day.

I'm just saying, it's not all about performance.

mzanghetti

"I got the skydiving speech... And here I am."

I don't get the connection between bowling and skydiving, can you explain? Why did your next option then become skydiving? I am really curious about this as I have a friend that is really into bowling.

He's kidding. It's an inversion of this meme, as a joke. It did make me laugh, but you probably have to have been in the sport for a while to get it:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3796489

simonh

The wind tunnel is a great idea. I think there is one in Milton Keynes in the UK.

For a small island, we've actually got quite a decent number of wind tunnels available.

There are iFly tunnels at Milton Keynes, Manchester and Basingstoke (with two more planned at Birmingham and Bristol). Any of the currently open iFly tunnels should serve your purpose, and obviously it depends on where you are, but my favourite UK tunnel is actually Bodyflight at Bedford.

You could also consider visiting a wind tunnel before you get back into the air. I know people who do that before the start of every season, never mind after a 10-year layoff.

It won't help you with the aspects of skydiving that are likely to kill you, but it will at least reassure you that you can still fly your body in freefall - and removing that worry might in turn allow you to focus better on the important stuff.

psykx

The weather is pretty crap here

Maybe you missed the fact that up until the last couple of weeks or so we'd had practically no rain for months on end!

It's a shame you weren't ready to start learning in May - you've missed out on the best UK summer in decades - but of course life does get in the way...

As for your plans, I don't really see anything wrong with them except that as a newbie skydiver you might find 5 jumps a day, day after day, a bit hard going.

Also, as others have said California is a long way to go. Even though you've done a tandem that you obviously enjoyed, have you considered the possibility that you might start AFF and just decide that you don't like it or it isn't for you?

oldwomanc6

The one who fetched would only fetch a certain kind of mouse toy; it had to be made with real rabbit fur and rattled, but she would bring it back and drop it just like a dog and wait for you you to throw it again. I usually got tired of the game before she did.

Oh, one of my cats would play fetch with me too, but only because she enjoyed it. Rubber bands were her favourite things to fetch, and because I sometimes packed my rig at home there were always plenty around. I certainly can't claim to have trained her to do it, though - more like the other way round, which is typically the case with cats.

She also loved to be chased - she'd sit halfway up the stairs and miaow until I came, and then the game would start with her dashing off. I'd chase her around the house, and every now and again she'd hide behind a door and ambush me by jumping out as I came into the room. There was a definite understanding that this was a game that we played together, and that she knew how to initiate. I loved that.

BillyVance

I forgot to add that on my second bomb bay door exit from the Pink Flamingo Porter... when Miami Mike, the videographer, played back the video in the video room with a bunch of people watching over him... the room erupted in laughter. I didn't have to see to know why... Everybody was pointing at me and laughing. When I dropped through into the air, I started flailing my arms and legs like crazy.

Well, Wesley Snipes did the same thing in Drop Zone. You could have just said it was a tribute.

I'm guessing everyone involved in the HALO jump filming in Abu Dhabi is sworn to secrecy - but does anyone who isn't sworn to secrecy have the lowdown?

In particular, I'm curious to know:
- Whether Henry Cavill also jumped (I think it's unlikely).
- For the final filming, whether Cruise, Cavill and Cruise's cameraman were really alone in the back of the C-17 for that long shot leading up to the exit (also seems unlikely).
- Whether the oxygen bottle and hose worn by Cruise were just dummy props, given that Cavill appears to temporarily disconnect Cruise's hose so that he has to reconnect it before exiting.

Whatever, even based on the trailer and the behind-the-scenes footage, that looks like spectacular work from all involved.
Here's the BTS footage I watched - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4OYdWtyClg - it's all fascinating, but the skydiving stuff starts at 22:16.

I don't currently have pets, but I have had cats.

Taking care of them was easy - I let them do their thing, fed and watered them, gave them affection and took them to the vet for regular vaccinations and whenever they were sick.

As for training... does not compute. They were cats.

ryoder

When I first say that scene in the movie, my reaction was: "WHAT??? That must be all CGI."
Only later I learned the doors were real.

Real doors, but fake backdrop/ fall-away - through the use of what looks like some slightly dodgy chroma key work. However, it was the nineties so ropey special effects are permissible, and it's still a fun scene.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about sitting on the floor of a Porter that might open up and dump me a few hundred feet above the ground! Presumably there's a bit more to the mechanism than a simple lever that someone could lean on accidentally...

BillyVance

Yeah, a T6 is going to be good enough. It's all I'm willing to pay...

I think a vintage training aircraft is a great option, not least because you're experiencing an aircraft in its classic configuration.

I've always thought it a shame (but obviously unavoidable!) that the only way to offer rides in a 'single seat' fighter is to use a two-seat variant of it. Although to me the P-51 trainer looks very similar to the single-seater - maybe because the cockpit was bigger to begin with - there's a Spitfire trainer that flies regularly out of my local DZ whose additional bubble canopy really spoils the look of that otherwise beautiful machine.