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  2. Yes, I am familiar with the timeline of events that day. It shows nothing out of the ordinary.



    Please explain to me where you see nothing out of the ordinary here:

    20) 8:25 a.m.: Boston air traffic control notified several air traffic control centers that a hijack is in progress with American Airlines Flight 11. Boston air traffic control first lost communication with American Airlines Flight 11 more than 11 minutes ago. What took them so long to start to implement procedure? Why didn’t they also notify North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) at this time?
    If they did follow procedure and notify NORAD at 8:25 and NORAD followed protocol and ordered the 102nd Fighter Wing of the Otis Air National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts to scramble at say 8:26 – two F-15’s would have been airborne by no later than 8:32 – these F-15’s would have had at least 14 minutes and 26 seconds to reach the WTC before American Airlines Flight 11 impacts the north side of the North Tower (1 World Trade Center) at 8:46:26. If these two F-15’s were flying at top speed, 14 minutes and 26 seconds is exactly twice the amount of time need to reach the WTC. These two F-15’s could have been at the WTC in just over 7 minutes, or as early as 8:39. Even a spokesperson for Otis said that their F-15’s could reach the WTC in 10 to 12 minutes, which would have them there at 8:42 to 8:44.
    These two F-15’s could have easily intercepted American Airlines Flight 11. If only Boston air traffic control, which notified several air traffic control centers that a hijack is in progress with American Airlines Flight 11 at 8:25, had also notified NORAD. Why didn’t they? Or did they follow procedure, and notify NORAD, and NORAD is lying about it. Let me state that it is NORAD’s job to know every inch of the skies over North America, so they must have known that American Airlines Flight 11 was hijacked somewhere between 8:14 and 8:20.

    52) 8:59 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 completes its 180 degree turn over southern Ohio / northeastern Kentucky and starts heading directly back to Washington D.C. and The Pentagon, 330 miles away.
    Now the only airliner left in the sky with its IFF transponder signal off which has just made a 180 degree turn over southern Ohio / northeastern Kentucky and has been heading directly back to Washington D.C. and The Pentagon since 8:59 a.m. -- is American Airlines Flight 77. Why didn’t these two F-15’s that were 71 miles from NYC and the WTC, immediately redirect to intercept the only dangerous airliner in the sky, American Airlines Flight 77?
    These two F-15’s had 34 minutes to reach Washington D.C. before American Airlines Flight 77 hits the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. The mission of these two F-15’s from the 102nd Fighter Wing of the Otis Air National Guard Base is to protect the skies from Washington D.C. to the north. The F-15 has a top speed of 1875+ MPH, so they could have closed the 300 or so miles from their current position to Washington D.C. in just about 10 minutes. At top speed they could have been at the Pentagon 24 minutes before American Airlines Flight 77 hits it.
    Even if they were flying at the same speed NORAD says that they covered in the last 71 miles till they reach the WTC (532.5 MPH or only 28.4% of top speed) they would have beat American Airlines Flight 77 to the Pentagon. Why didn’t these two F-15’s directly fly to intercept the only known airliner still in the sky that is hijacked, and heading directly for the nations capitol?
    Still, much worse, why didn’t these two F-15’s upon reaching the WTC at 9:11 and now knowing that American Airlines Flight 77 has been heading dead on for Washington D.C. for 12 minutes, finally try to intercept? The WTC is about 250 miles from the Pentagon. They still have 26 minutes to intercept American Airlines Flight 77 before the Pentagon gets hit at 9:37. All they have to do is to fly only 576.9 MPH or 30.8% of their top speed to beat American Airlines Flight 77 to the Pentagon. What do we pay these guys to do?
    Still, unbelievably worse, these two F-15’s could have waited in New York City till 9:26 before heading down to protect Washington D.C. and the Pentagon. By 9:26 American Airlines Flight 77 has now been heading directly back to Washington D.C. for 27 minutes. American Airlines Flight 77 is the only airliner in the sky with its transponder signal off, and off course. If these F-15’s were flying at top speed, they could be at the Pentagon in under 10 minutes. They can leave New York City at 9:26 and still beat American Airlines Flight 77 to the Pentagon by one minute. Why didn’t these two F-15’s leave at any time between 9:03 and 9:26 to intercept American Airlines Flight 77, the only airliner in the sky with its transponder signal off, and also off course? Why, NORAD?

    60) 9:05 a.m.: Andrew Card walks up to Bush while he is listening to a Goat Story with 16 second graders in Sandra Kay Daniels’s class at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida. Card whispers in his ear "A second plane has hit the World Trade Center. America is under attack." Bush (commander-and-chief?) keeps listening to this Goat Story with these children for at least 7 minutes, and perhaps as long as 18 minutes. Why didn't he excuse himself from these children right away, and immediately address this national emergency, is totally unexplainable.
    There is no way this should have happened. What of course should have happened, was as soon as the secret service found out about United Airlines Flight 175 impacting the WTC (now knowing it was a "terrorist" act), they would have immediatly grabbed Bush and brought him to an undisclosed location. There is no way the secret service leaves Bush in a place (Emma E. Booker Elementary School) where everyone knows he is. Stand Down.

    75) 9:24 a.m.: NORAD orders the 1st Fighter Wing from Langley Air Force Base in Hampton, Virginia to scramble two, possibly three F-16 fighters. This time NORAD does not sit on this vital information for six minutes before notifying Langley AFB. Langley is 130 miles south of Washington D.C. and the Pentagon. The F-16 has a top speed of 1500 MPH.
    Why wasn’t Langley AFB scrambled at 8:20 or 8:40 or 8:46 or at the very least at 9:02:54? How could NORAD possibly have waited the 21 minutes from the time United Airlines Flight 175 hits the South Tower of the WTC at 9:02:54 before finally scrambling Langley at 9:24? Waiting these 21 extra minutes to finally scramble Langley is the real smoking gun that no one can get around

    82) 9:30 a.m.: Two maybe three F-16 Fighting Falcons code-named Huntress take off from Langley AFB headed at first toward at NYC. A couple of minutes into their mission, according to General Haugen "A person came on the radio and identified themselves as being with the Secret Service" and said, "I want you to protect the White House at all costs." The F-16’s laid in a new course and vectored to Washington D.C.

    Why were these fighters headed to NYC when American Airlines Flight 77 has been headed directly for Washington D.C. for the last 31 minutes, and with their communication and transponder turned off for 34 minutes? There are no airliners headed for NYC or anywhere else with their communication and transponders turned off. Also, at 9:25 air traffic controllers have already informed the US Secret Service in Washington D.C. that American Airlines Flight 77 is approaching them very fast. So why are these F-16’s first flying toward NYC?

    92) 9:37 a.m
    NORAD says the F-16’s from Langley were still 105 miles and 12 minutes away. This means their average flight speed was only 14.3% of their top speed in trying to intercept United Airlines Flight 175. If these F-16’s flew at top speed, they would have been there just after 9:37.
    Langley is 130 miles from the Pentagon. F-16's have a top speed of 1500 MPH. Minus 105 miles left from 130 miles equals 25 miles covered in the 7 minutes from 9:30 take-off to 9:37. 60 minutes divided by 7 minutes equals 8.57, times this by the 25 miles covered, equals 214.3 MPH. divided by 1500 MPH equals 14.3% of their top speed. How could these two F-15’s possibly be going one seventh of their top speed in trying to intercept American Airlines Flight 77? Even the story about first flying to NYC does not account for this unbelievably slow speed because they got the message to redirect to Washington D.C. within a couple of minutes of take-off, and NYC and Washington D.C. are almost exactly the same direction (north) from Langley.

    92) 9:37 a.m.: Flight 77 hits Pentagon

    102) 9:49 a.m.: The F-16’s from Langley AFB finally arrive over Washington, D.C. to perform Combat Air Patrol over the city. It takes these F-16’s 19 minutes to reach Washington D.C. from Langley AFB which is about 130 miles to the south.

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    ***Who would you want to do the investigation?



    The Family Steering Committee was an organization of twelve relatives of victims the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center
    However, the Family Steering Committee was unsatisfied with the commission created and its mandate.
    They stated
    “ "While we believe that our concerns were acknowledged, we had also hoped that more of our questions and those of the American public would be fully addressed during the public hearings, or at the very least, discussed in the prepared staff statements," the statement read. "Yet today, many of our collective questions remain unanswered."[2]
    ”
    The group was critical of the limitations in the scope of the investigation that the 9/11 Commission was charged with undertaking, for example, that it was not within the Commission's scope of investigation to identify individuals in the U.S. government who could or should have prevented the attacks. Also, the 9/11 Family Steering Committee was critical of the limited financial resources allotted to the Commission, the close ties of some Commissioners and Philip D. Zelikow, executive director of the Commission, to the Bush Administration, and the limited time in which the Commission was to complete its work.http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/bio_zelikow.htm

    It further created a list of questions they argued was unansweared by the official commission

    Here's just 12 of those unanswered questions:


    The Family Steering Committee Statement and Questions
    Regarding the 9/11 Commission Interview with President Bush

    Statement and Questions 1-23 submitted February 16, 2004
    Questions 24-39 submitted March 18, 2004

    The Family Steering Committee believes that President Bush should provide sworn public testimony to the full ten-member panel of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States . Collectively, the Commissioners are responsible for fulfilling the Congressional mandate. Therefore, each Commissioner must have full access to the testimony of all individuals and the critical information that will enable informed decisions and recommendations.

    Before an audience of the American people, the Commission must ask President Bush in sworn testimony, the following questions:


    1. As Commander-in-Chief on the morning of 9/11, why didn’t you return immediately to Washington, D.C. or the National Military Command Center once you became aware that America was under attack? At specifically what time did you become aware that America was under attack? Who informed you of this fact?

    2. On the morning of 9/11, who was in charge of our country while you were away from the National Military Command Center? Were you informed or consulted about all decisions made in your absence?

    3. What defensive action did you personally order to protect our nation during the crisis on September 11th? What time were these orders given, and to whom? What orders were carried out? What was the result of such orders? Were any such orders not carried out?

    4. In your opinion, why was our nation so utterly unprepared for an attack on our own soil?

    5. U.S. Navy Captain Deborah Loewer, the Director of the White House Situation Room, informed you of the first airliner hitting Tower One of the World Trade Center before you entered the Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida. Please explain the reason why you decided to continue with the scheduled classroom visit, fifteen minutes after learning the first hijacked airliner had hit the World Trade Center.

    6. Is it normal procedure for the Director of the White House Situation Room to travel with you? If so, please cite any prior examples of when this occurred. If not normal procedure, please explain the circumstances that led to the Director of the White House Situation Room being asked to accompany you to Florida during the week of September 11th.

    7. What plan of action caused you to remain seated after Andrew Card informed you that a second airliner had hit the second tower of the World Trade Center and America was clearly under attack? Approximately how long did you remain in the classroom after Card’s message?

    8. At what time were you made aware that other planes were hijacked in addition to Flight 11 and Flight 175? Who notified you? What was your course of action as Commander-in-Chief of the United States?

    9. Beginning with the transition period between the Clinton administration and your own, and ending on 9/11/01, specifically what information (either verbal or written) about terrorists, possible attacks and targets, did you receive from any source?

    This would include briefings or communications from

    • Out-going Clinton officials
    • CIA, FBI, NSA, DoD and other intelligence agencies
    • Foreign intelligence, governments, dignitaries or envoys
    • National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice
    • Richard Clarke, former counterterrorism czar


    10. Specifically, what did you learn from the August 6, 2001, PDB about the terrorist threat that was facing our nation? Did you request any follow-up action to take place? Did you request any further report be developed and/or prepared?

    11. As Commander-in-Chief, from May 1, 2001 until September 11, 2001, did you receive any information from any intelligence agency official or agent that UBL was planning to attack this nation on its own soil using airplanes as weapons, targeting New York City landmarks during the week of September 11, 2001 or on the actual day of September 11, 2001?

    12. What defensive measures did you take in response to pre-9/11 warnings from eleven nations about a terrorist attack, many of which cited an attack in the continental United States? Did you prepare any directives in response to these actions? If so, with what results?

    http://911independentcommission.org/bush2162004.html

  • So lets see who’s on this so called Independent Investigation Commision:
    The 9/11 commission members were appointed by George W. Bush, with input from Congress, which led to the criticism that it was not a truly independent commission.

    Chairman of the Commission:
    Thomas Kean – Republican, former Governor of New Jersey
    Thomas Kean has a history of investments that link him to Saudi Arbian investors who have financially supported both George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden in the past. One example is his former business connections to Mahfouz, an alleged terrorist financier. He was also at one point or still is on the board of Pepsi Bottling, Amerada Hess, UnitedHealth Group, CIT Group and Aramark.

    Vice Chairman of the Commission:
    Lee H. Hamilton – Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 9th District of Indiana
    Lee Hamilton sits on many advisory boards, including those to the CIA, the President's
    Homeland Security Advisory Council, The United States Commission on National Security, and the US Army.

    Fred F. Fielding – Republican, attorney and former White House Counsel.
    Fred F. Fielding has done legal work for two of Bush's leading "Pioneer" fund-raisers. Fielding also works for a law firm lobbying for Spirit Airlines and United Airlines.

    And the list goes on….

  • this is a good read but it is long: really shows you all the lack of reasonable/logical actions that should have been done if you truly didn't know anything and where suddenly surprised by such a massive attack on your country!

    http://www.911timeline.net/#846 (scroll down some for start of timeline)



    8:19 American Airline knows of Flight 11 hijacking
    8:37 NORAD knows (18mins later of hijacking 11)
    8:48 First news report that a plane may have crashed into WTC but no actual footage released.
    8:50 Bush preparing to go into classroom.
    Bush replied, “I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower—the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there’s one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn’t have much time to think about it.” [White House, 12/4/01]
    9:05 Bush told of 2nd crash while in classroom.
    No air defense flown in to secure the airspace around the school as a possible target and to protect the President and all the children/people at the school when two airbases are a 10min F-15 flight away?.
    9:15 Bush leaves classroom! (so for 20mins+ he did nothing while the US was under attack)
    9:20 Flight 93 hijacked
    9:30 Bush public speech at the elementary school, national tragedy, moment of silence!
    http://www.AttackOnAmerica.net/BushAtEmmaEBookerSchool.mov
    9:45 Flight 77 crashes into pentagon
    9:45 Bush motorcade leaves school
    9:55 Air Force One takes off with still no fighter protection for possible Presidential attack!

    You would think the President would be immediately escorted off to a secured area! But no! Lets hold a press conference first with all the children around me and then wave to everyone as I slowly leave to see what’s going on! oh thats right...our country is under attack. Cut me a break!
    Hello America…anybody out there? WAKE UP!!!!

    “Why isn't the United States government fully investigating each and every detail of what occurred prior to, and on September 11th? When Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7, 1941 and John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 there were full independent investigations started within two weeks. Why hasn't there been a full independent investigation on September 11, 2001?”

  • 9-11 The Greatest Lie Ever Sold:
    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/9-11_Lie.htm

    Webster Tarpley: 9/11 Issue: Key to Stopping World War III:
    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/stop_WWIII.htm

    Watch all parts:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7BSt9jhxPQ&mode=related&search=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khm423m6DD0&mode=related&search=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8ax_4AdWOU&mode=related&search=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L96KVVk6z8&mode=related&search=

    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/loose-change2_part1.htm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB9odOrnkX8&mode=related&search=

  • aren't there any other areas with good launch points they might consider? heck they could charge us $25 a jump and make some good money! Isn't this what the skywalk is all about anyway!
    making money for the reservation!
    lets help them out : )

  • cool...instead of Bridge Day its Skywalk Week : )
    6days...not 6 hours! probably would generate alot of income for the Reservation. We're just eagles
    with different feathers!l
    that sure would look pretty launching a large way wingsuit jump with smoke radiating out in all directions with the Skywalk as the focal point! all the wingsuits could be designed with different bird feather patterns! letting the human sprit take flight...wow!

  • This almost happened to me! All the 14 base jumps I had where from BD. Then I took maybe a year or more off and got back into jumping but this time from a 500 foot antenna at night for a 3sec count! Sure I knew what base feels like! So I jumped! Well my soul left first with my body flailing 3’ behind. When my body finally caught up with my mind the two concluded that in fact you are going head low and that’s not good. Send out emergency signals to arms to start circling in the thin air! THIN AIR! That light soft feeling of the air then triggered a rush of memories from all my bridge day jumps! What a happy secure feeling to have come to your rescue. I felt like I was back at BD. The feeling and sound of the air increased in strength and I knew I was like around 3 sec. so I still had some time to level off. Well passing thru 4 sec still not flat and stable I realized I needed to dump regardless of this awful head down body position I’m in! So at 5 sec dump, sweet on heading opening, real short canopy flight and landed safely! By my short canopy time I realized well that’s about as low as you want to go! That was fun as chit! I didn’t die! I phunked up my exit but got my PC out! My experienced base buds said to me….. “you hummed that one down”. Like I knew what I was doing! I got lucky that my gut sense about time was working 100% and that I wasn’t jumping a 400’ tower! I really got mesmerized by the time frame that I developed from BD jumps! This is what could have happened to Brain! He got mesmerized by the rush of excellent past feelings/memories and the El Cap time frame that came with them! Doing something you love! Blue Skies Brain and cheers 2 ya 4 making that 1st leap!

    jimo

  • Of course he was! If he was into doping he would know the exact amount needed to just be under the 4:1 ratio so he wouldn't get caught! but 11:1! He
    was seriously framed! The French Lab doing the testing is not to announce the charge of doping until the B sample is tested! As soon as his "A result"
    was due it leaked out ASAP! A Laboratory with standards like that raises a lot of questions about the credibility of the people working there! This leak happened so could the tampering of samples!

    If you want a quick fix you down a lot of caffeine! That will make you aggressive!

  • Definitely stick with it! When i started i did static line!
    1st 3 jumps went like this: jump, falling, bicycling to gain balance, losing stomach, no count, chute open! Really didn't think it was that great! but i stuck with it! Finally learned how to become stable on exit! Pat on back! Its getting a little better now! Then onto freefall pulling your own cord! There might be something here! A-license finally! Now it starts becoming a little more fun! Still fighting the hebee gebee's (fear of jumping)! But now you can jump with your friends! Your first 2ways are sweet! Then 3ways 4ways 5ways 6ways 7ways 8ways...and the dives just keep getting better and better! Being up there with all your friends in the air is amazing! Then you learn how to fall in the sit position! Then learn how to fall headdown! it just gets better and better all the time! This leads to wingsuits, base jumping, and canopy formation flying! Its a progression! And it just keeps on getting better and better! Skydiving is not just about the falling part its also about the environment your in! The Sky! You can jump out of a plane into a world of huge towering castles of clouds! Falling right next to one puts you into a dreamscape! It is unbelievingly surreal! Then wingsuits allow you to fly around in this surreal setting! You have know idea what your getting into if you stick with it! Right now your like an ant at the base of mount everest! Example of one jump I had: We’re on the ground watching the sunset deciding on if its to late to do a formation jump with two cessnas as a huge upper cloud bank moves in : ) Well the slower Cessna takes off first! 15mins later as the sunsets and the campfire is lit we take off! This is really cool! We’re climbing at the same rate that the sun is setting! So we have this beautiful sunset the whole ride up! Talk about a dreamscape! We look out scanning the sky above for the other Cessna! There it is right in front of the solid cloud bank around 6000ft! We climb together above the cloud layer into a bright blue sunlit sky. The cloud bank moved in below us creating a landscape that looked like we where at the North Pole! Nothing but pure white barren snow fields! By 8000’ the sun started to set again! A sunset on the North Pole we thought to ourselves as we looked into each others wide eyes in amazement and nervousness! Someone pinch me! At 10000’ we decided not to climb any higher as the sunset on the North Pole was fading!!!!! We’re going to jump. Are you crazy! We talked to the other plane…4,3,2,1
    Out into the North Pole we go! I’ll never forget dude whizzing by me in a near vertical dive down to the formation. Looking down at the building 8 way I just closed 8 above the cloud layer. We just had enough time to look at each others huge smiling faces as we hit the cloud layer! The white fog grew darker and darker! Then we popped out the bottom into the black night of twinkling lights. Holy chit! This can’t be happening! Its time to break this thing off!!!! We all tracked away into the dark! The GPS helped nail our spot dead on and the glowing campfire below signaled our way home!

    I’d say stick with it! Now over 2000 jumps later : )
    jimo