carrier louis paul

1 hour ago, phantomII said:

This same shit happend with the Atom containers from PdF in the early 2000 years.
After having the alteration done the top flap stood up and was, in my eyes, a serious danger if somebody brushed over my container.
I really didn't like that and got rid of the rig.

at least it helps the reserve container to open in case of total malfunction ! not a surprise in fact, Icon rig is a bad copy of Atom rig, actually Aerodyne is a bad copy cat machine of everything on the market

13 hours ago, lazdog23 said:

We would like to inform you that Aerodyne Research has issued a technical bulletin regarding the AAD cutter placement. It can be found on the Aerodyne support pages here:

http://www.flyaerodyne.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/TB-250122-Bulletin-AAD-Cutter-placement.pdf

Thank you,

 

Aerodyne Research

so if I understand well, in 2008 Aerodyne was forced by French Parachute Federation to publish the service bulletin SB210108 for an alternative cutter location above reserve PC, then Aerodyne has been complaining for 12 years the French Parachute Federation to revoke the "French" placement of the cutter pretending there is no safety reason regarding improvement of safety to change the "normal positionning of the cutter below the reserve PC".

French Parachute Federation finally agreed to do so in october 2020, before French Civilian Aviation Agency made mandatory in november 2021 the change for cutter placement above reserve PC.

And finally Aerodyne in january 2022, highly recommend the cutter placement above reserve PC after discriminating for 12 years the French position.

The least we can say is that Aerodyne does not know its own equipment, will you trust such a manufacturer ? what's next ?

16 hours ago, skyderrill66 said:

Why are you refusing to answer what the metal object falling out of the container is. Like i said you obviously have a bone to pick with Aerodyne.

what was not in my loft and I can see once it is on the ground, it is the French parachute sheet of paper what was probably folded under a closing flap , I guess

18 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I have this crazy idea that perhaps you could contact Aerodyne directly?

Aerodyne Research, LLC
1725 Lexington Avenue
Deland, FL 32724

P: (386) 279-7990
[email protected]

I have not done it since it is not my job,but I know eric Fradet, representative of the French safety delegate, did it, I heard that they met at the French equivalent of the FAA, together carried out manual and pyrotechnic opening tests validated and packed by Aerodyne and the Icon rig failed 50% of the time on numerous tests. I understand that the next step will be to ground the small Icon rigs since they do not work correctly by manual deployment....sorry to say, it is why I like to hear about the ones who stay silent...

On 11/25/2021 at 10:32 PM, skyderrill66 said:

This was not directed at you it is directed at  carrier louis paul 

the name of the experienced person who experimented a delay on her Icon after cutaway is Christine Malnis French national RW team member, I would also hear from Aerodyne their point of view at least about the cutter location change

1 hour ago, countzero said:

Do the same thing happen with the reserve compartment not opening if the main is out of the container?

I know at least, it did happen to a French experienced competitor who complained about having a delay after cutaway with an Icon I1

5 hours ago, koppel said:

can you advise if this rig is equipped with either Skyhook or AeroMARD please

not either Skyhook or Aeromard for both Icon I2 DOM 05/2020

4 hours ago, billvon said:

The problem is that every single rig feature out there adds a failure scenario.

AAD's?  Premature reserve deployment.
RSL's? Out of sequence deployment, or entanglement hazard.
Two sided RSL's?  Main-reserve strangulation.
Skyhooks?  Non-release of the skyhook during a main total.
Two pin reserves?  Reserve deployment failure.
Single pin reserves? Premature reserve deployment.
Reserves?  Main-reserve entanglement.
Three ring release?  Cutaway cable trapping due to line twists, or failure of the white loop on opening.

Every gear decision we make is a tradeoff between failure scenarios and odds of that failure.  Most of us are OK with the added failure scenarios that a reserve, or an RSL, or an AAD, or a three ring release brings, because we are used to them.  So right there you have willingly added four (and often more) failure scenarios to your gear.

And I've heard those pissing contests involving Racers, Reflexes, Javelins, Icons, Vectors, Swifts and Flexons.  (There's probably more; I just haven't heard them myself.)  If you avoid any gear that involves a pissing contest, you'd have a pretty limited selection of gear to choose from.

 

believe it or not, same loft but different rig , same result...

10 hours ago, skydiverek said:

@carrier louis paul

Your videos show the manual activation of the reserve.

The French Bulletin talks about the cutter relocation.

Can you explain the connection between the two?

you are correct, there are two separate issues :

1) all Icon any sizes do not work properly with cutter location underneath the reserve pilot chute

the French Bulletin fix that

2) some Icon small sizes (specially Icon I1, I2, I3) do not work properly by manual activation

it will be a subject to be treated in the coming weeks (months) by Eric Fradet , the technician in charge of gear equipment , the French FAA and the manufacturer

and to pchapman : Yes from 2008 up to 2020 it was mandatory in France on Icon rigs to have the cutter location underneath Reserve pilot chute, end of 2020 under request of Aerodyne , French Federation did accept to change that, it looks it was a mistake :

https://www.ffp.asso.fr/cs-198-2020-position-du-sectionneur-sur-les-sac-harnais-icon/    

36 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

If there is a genuine problen here it needs to be investigated properly.  We all need to know that when we need that reserve it will deploy.

it looks what there was so many Icon reserve malfunction found on the ground, what French Civilian Agency is going to ground the majority of Icon in France and will ask FAA to do the same...we do not just anymore speak about bashing like some stupid folks  have claimed we do

1 hour ago, DougH said:

Better question. Why does this only seem to happen to Icons, in France, at this specific loft? That would lead me to believe that someone needs to have their packing investigated. 

in fact, it is only in France what rigging issues are directed to someone else than manufacturers, in the states and rest of the world, if you have a rigging problem FAA send you to the manufacturer whatever it is, so it never comes up, previous case with total malfunction was with the Vector SE in january, but at the end there was a real issue with Vector SE, we can believe it will be the same with Icon rigs, specially the small ones 

6 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Mods,

This is getting a little tiresome.

Maybe a time-out might be appropriate?

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  And, yes, a no comment post should be removed.

Icon I2 smart LPV 120 reserve loop correct length, if there was a video it is because we suspected this type of rig does not open correctly

no comment

On 10/18/2021 at 10:00 PM, Unstable said:

Yes, I have repaired 2x pilots (a 188 and a 210) this year alone for hard opening that broke lines, line attachment points and blew out portions of the tail. One I repaired myself, one ended up with a completely cracked rib and I sent that to the factory, and it was almost $800 in repairs. 

The common denominator in both of these were packers who use the new(?) methods of bagging the Top of the canopy first and then the fold to lock the slider in last. This method, if not done extremely carefully, results in the packer essentially shoving the slider back into the deployment bag. I attribute those to gross packing error.

 

In all sincerity, I wish Aerodyne and the other manufacturers would put a statement out and discourage that method of bagging. 

I personnally used the regular method of bagging, and the opening shock was so severe what it happened in one second and was transmitted to my body near the junction of the vertical and thoracic spin, a forward flexion of my head and neck occured and had considerable biomecanical signifiance, the head-neck injuries brought me to wear a neck brace at all times for 14 months, while the Icon parachute harness induces a compression of the lombar and thoracic spins which affected the cervical and thoracic spins so much , mild cranio-cerebral trauma : Glasgow score greater than 13 due to a force directly applied to the head transmitted to the brain.

The "whiplash" the brain stumbles forward, then it was back against the cranium brought me :

unconsiousness and post-trauatic amnesia during 24 hours, a transient focal neurological deficite and altered mental state ll the time of the accident with dizziness and disorientation, thanks Aerodyne

it definetly does not work properly....