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    As I said before, Jay, I for one hope you don't get banned. I do think you should abide by the rules, though. If I am ever banned I would respect the decision.



    You're right. I'm wrong. I do, however, think the rules should also apply to you and everyone else here, though. Not just with banning restriction timeframes...but with the content of your post as well. Tell you what...I'm signing off as pajarito. See you if I get let back in.

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    Speaks to motive, your Honor.

    If you using different profiles was simply a matter of convenience, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

    If, however, you are using different profiles to usurp the rules of the forum then that's a different matter altogether. Without those rules this place would wind up being no better than rec.skydiving was years ago.

    So, did you break the rules and get banned, or was your banning unjust?



    The rules of the forum obviously do not apply to you or your conduct here. Your obnoxious personally insulting posts are tollerated for some reason. It is not possible (I don't think) to have a reasonable conversation with some people here and actually discuss, in a mature manner, the real substance of topics. Like I said, I'm not hiding from anyone. This whole thing is close to being as big a "time suck" as facebook. If I get banned, so be it. If I get permanently banned, so be it. I will never create a new profile here again. I promise that. So, if you all want to get rid of me and my opposing views, delete me. I'm good with that.

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    I didn't say you were "sneaking around"...I said that I missed the fact that you were banned from using your other profile.
    Do you feel that your banning was unjust?



    Why do you care?

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    Absolutely. Ask Billvon to unban me.
    "FREEE JAYBIRD18C! FREE JAYBIRD18C!"


    You're using your old profile to get around a banning? I guess I missed that. I should probably pay more attention.



    Like I said. I'm not sneaking around. Neither would I if we met face to face. "I'm sure you're a nice guy" yourself.

  6. God defined marriage in the beginning as an intimate relationship between one man and one woman (actually with the intent of displaying what a relationship with Christ should be like). What man has done with it (even as described throughout the historical accounts in the Bible) is another story. Man may change his definitition of marriage...but God has not.

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    The feeling is mutual then. I'm sure you're a great guy. So, why is it you feel that one profile is not enough?



    One is really enough. I joined this thing originally back in 04 (I think). Got really burned out on it and left. My original username was this one. On a whim, I decided to check this site out again several months ago. I've been using the name jaybird18c for years now in all my online identification. I didn't recall what I was before and just created a new one. If that gets me banned again...I'm cool with that. It's really not worth fighting over. Really...

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    For what it is worth, while I may not agree with much of what you post I have no doubt you have the balls to stand behind those posts.



    Thanks. It really is alright to agree to disagree

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    How many profiles do you have on here?



    Two. I explained that a while back. Not trying to sneak around.

    The last post you made under your "Jaybird" profile made mention of cowards. I missed the explaination of why you have more than one profile. I just figured you didn't have the spine to own up to your posts, but that's not the case, is it?:S


    I'd love to meet you someday.

  11. This is why proper hermaneutics, systematic theology, and expository preaching are so important. Without it, you get this kind of stuff. Oh...and I should add...mature, sincere interest.

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    If you are equally doomed no matter what you do, and you'd rather live by your own morals - then deathbed conversions are just as effective at ensuring passage into the winning afterlife, while avoiding having to deal with the vagaries of religious morality for 99.9% of your life.



    If you'd rather live by your own morals and you're depending on your morality for righteousness, then, as you said before, that is works righteousness and cannot save. Even a deathbed "conversion" based on the supposed righteousness of the individual and what he has "done" to deserve it is worthless. It is all by faith or none at all. "Nothing in my hands I bring. Simply to the cross I cling. Only Christ is righteous. Only He is worthy.

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    If that's true, then we are all equally doomed by our works - and deathbed conversion is probably our best bet to "get in the door."



    Yes. We are all equally doomed by our works. Well said.

    Added: But why would a "deathbed conversion" be better than one right now?

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    Well, if the two are not aligned, then nothing we can do really applies to God's morality.



    Close. I'd say that there is nothing we can do to live up to God's standard of morality.

    ---I'm leaving to go run in the rain for a while....be back later.---

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    Throught out the Bible there are slaves. So God must consider it morally right to have slaves? Right?



    Not by applying proper hermaneutical interpretation. The Bible is a progressive revelation of God's plan of salvation for his people. It tells the story of God's faithfulness throughout history. It also illustrates man's successes and failures in this regard.

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    >God's standard of right/wrong does not change.

    Sure it does. There was a time when killing homosexuals was not only OK, it was ordered by the Bible itself. Nowadays Christians abhor such killings. (With the potential exception of the Westboro Baptists, but fortunately even devoted Christians think they're nuts.)

    There are dozens of examples like that. As we evolve as a society, our moral standards (slavery, women's rights, the rights of the disabled etc) evolve as well, and religious types then conflate those morals with God's - since no one wants a God who really does want to kill the gays.



    I think you know that I am referring to the moral standard of God, based on His righteous nature, and not man's.

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    This isn't about me or what I have or haven't done. It's about this mythology that you and millions of people believe in and attempt to push on to others. You are like those snake oil salesmen of years ago peddaling your claims of grand rewards for those who believe and dire consequences for those that don't. Yet you have nothing to back up your claims.



    I'm really just appealing to your conscience.

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    I am under no obligation to confess anything to you.

    Where is your evidence of any deity? Where is your evidence of life after death? Where is your evidence of the consequences you talk about?



    I agree. You are under no obligation whatsoever to confess anything to me. Only to your God. However, you'd think it would be easy for someone who denies God and believes right/wrong is subjective to just say it. It should be easy to say "I don't believe in God." "I am a liar." "I know it's wrong." "I have done it anyway."

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    Oh yeah, Prove it.



    I don't need to defend God. He doesn't require it. I think deep down you know. If not so much now, I think you will the closer you come to the end of this life. The problem is, you have no idea how long that will be. You could die on your next jump. Me too.

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    God places the knowledge of right and wrong within us all.




    Right and wrong is very subjective. It depends on how you were raised, society you were raised in and the time period.

    By looking at history, even the history of Christianity, there is no consistent right and wrong.



    God's standard of right/wrong does not change. It is based on his perfect nature. Man's standards, on the other hand, constantly do. You will not be judged based on the standards of men, however. You will be judged by God's standard.

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    Are you asking for my confession?!

    Right and wrong is determined by the society you live in and so are the consequences. It's different from place to place and also changes over time.



    So is that a yes with regard to my question?