diverdriver

I remember “The Wreck”. 

On 11/16/2019 at 7:15 AM, wmw999 said:

I was just thinking about RevJiim the other day. I hope he's doing well.

Wendy P. (still here too)

Wendy he passed many years ago. Sorry.

https://www.dropzone.com/forums/topic/119711-rip-rev-jim/

2 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

My bad. You're right. Hope you're doing well.

Doing great!!

5 hours ago, BIGUN said:

14 CFR § 91.151 - Fuel requirements for flight in VFR conditions

(b) ....to fly after that for at least 20 minutes.

Bigun that's the helicopter (rotorcraft) requirement. For Airplanes it's 30 minutes reserve.

Meso my man...you have some serious Nomex you're wearing to withstand this flaming. I feel your pain.

I'll get used to it. Each forum we always do. Those saying they'll never read here again are silly. Just like people who say "I'll never fly this airline again!" Yah, sure. They always buy a next ticket. Or if they leave they don't announce it. They just go and don't worry about it.

Hats off to you Meso. I think I might read more. ;-)

...old member of the WRECK and original Dizzy.com.

DBCOOPER

Every NTSB skydiving related accident back to 1995.

https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/Results.aspx?queryId=92898a77-0845-4454-8de3-d92819573b8b

Lots of 182s, lots of self induced accidents.

Every jump plane accident back to 1982.

http://diverdriver.com/accidents-by-year/

Every Cessna 182 jump plane accident back to 1982.

http://diverdriver.com/?cat=43&tag=us

Hey is this party still going?

billvon

>Landed with the load and one guy in my plane was crying because he couldn't jump out.

I blame YOU for his misery!

One one of the loads our O2 regulator froze. The pilot picked it up, whacked it a few times and then threw it to me and said "FIX IT!" (and it hurt; it was on a sheet of plywood.) This was one of the drawbacks of being close to last out; on the plus side, it was warmer up there.

LOL. Fix it.

JimmyMac

FYI - We had a King Air in far right trail on the 300-way. I recall that we had a total of 15 planes - one Skyvan, one King Air and the rest Otters.

King Air was air to air video only. Not dropping.

billvon

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I'd have like to have simply seen this one!
2002
300
Eloy, Arizona, USA

Perhaps the most "interesting" jump was the early morning attempt where everyone's visor froze over due to the -34F exit temperatures. About 20 people took their helmets off so they could see. We landed and started walking back; we were back to the hangar before we heard the first "thud" of a helmet landing nearby.

Wasn't my call. Just glad we didn't die on the sunset load where the cockpit windows iced over and we all lost sight of each other on the left wing. Then we brought the formation around again and the lead skyvan ran out of oxygen. Landed with the load and one guy in my plane was crying because he couldn't jump out.

Chris Schindler
www.diverdriver.com
ATP/D-19012
FB #4125

Recon424

So people like me cant be bothered?? Well Bill you could have simply just said your an advocate of the USPA. Do you really believe they are a proactive steward of the GM and Individual members dollars when they close the settled case file with skyride, and don't support GM dropzones all over the country what exactly are we paying Randy Ottenger and Ed Scott for?

Are you kidding? I happen to know Randy does a SHIT ton for skydivers and airport access and keeps FAA at bay more than you know. Yes, DZs do have rough interactions with the FAA. Some even deserve it. But I have seen the efforts that have saved many operations.

Yes, USPA is worth it.

CDRINF

One of the good "bad boys" of skydiving. My best Carbone memory is at the WFFC when a couple of clowns landed a Mr. Bill with one standing on the other's shoulders. Scotty got on the PA system and publically read them the riot act for being stupid. I remember thinking to myself: "If Scotty Carbone is chewing you out for doing something dumb in skydiving, then you know you have REALLY screwed up!"

Ain't that the truth!

Blue Skies Scotty.

Try joining our FaceBook group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DiverDriverCom/

We talk about this topic semi-regularly.

Has anything been added to it? Wingtip extensions? Gap seals? New prop? Step?

These things can add weight. We're the things removed properly accounted for? When was the last weighing of the aircraft?

I saw that too and totally agree. What a shame.

Blue Skies to Pam!

To learn more about jump plane safety and flying skydivers DiverDriver.com

You can review accidents and see a break down on single engine vs. multi-engine jump planes.

+100!!

Oh man Popsjumpers. Blue Skies. You were a great part of the fabric of skydiving and DZ.com.

mathrick

No worries, I was honestly just asking, didn't mean to be accusatory. As much as the implicit US-centrism tends to annoy me in general, in this case it's perfectly justified and understandable; I merely wanted to know what your scope was.

While I don't necessarily "track" jump plane accidents outside the USA I do make posts on them at my website. I don't ignore them either. I also have discussion at my DiverDriver.com Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DiverDriverCom/

mathrick

***While we had a fatal jump plane crash this year it is the first fatal jump plane crash with skydivers on board since December of 2010 so it is a rare occurrence.

And "we" is defined as...? US only, North America, USPA? We've definitely had several fatal crashes in Europe, in fact one particularly bad one right after I started in the sport (Piper Navajo in Poland).

Yes. The USA. It is the focus of my website even though I do post articles on accidents outside the USA. The regulations, accident report links and training center around flying skydivers in the USA. We fly approximately 100,000 hours of skydivers every year and I believe it is more than any other country. So, getting a statistic from this data set will have less variation than other parts of the world.

Sorry if my post seemed myopic. I just have not tried to track every jump plane crash in the world. I don't have the resources.

Daywalker585

For what it's worth, I'm a new jumper and not a pilot, but it's my understanding that most aviation incidents are during take off and landing. That's pretty much all jump planes do. The safest part of the flight is cruise and they never really do it

Jumprun is considered cruise flight for jump planes.

FB1609

Just looking at the first page of the incidents forum...seems like a lot of plane crashes lately to me!

More than usual? Ever been in one? Does it worry you much where you jump?

You can view my list of jump plane accidents at my website. http://diverdriver.com/accidents-by-year/

They are ALL jump plane accidents. My website focusses on the pilot and all aspects of the job. So my list contains accidents while flying skydivers, maintenance flights and ferry flights.

While we had a fatal jump plane crash this year it is the first fatal jump plane crash with skydivers on board since December of 2010 so it is a rare occurrence. I started speaking out on jump plane safety after a horrible 1997 season and a fatal crash killed some friends in 1998. Since that time the number of accidents per year and the number of fatalities per year has come down overall. We bob between 5-10 accidents per year. I don't like that many at all but I have to say it is much better. This is due to an overall industry effort to improve jump plane safety. And again, some of the accidents on my list would not make the USPA list as they only focus on when jumpers are on board or have departed during that particular flight.

edit to add: Sorry, I just realized I had responded to you already but had not put down what I thought about the accident rate.

This is my website section where I list all jump plane accidents that I have found. I am focused on the pilot and their training so my list includes accidents that may not have jumpers on at the moment of the accident. But the accidents affect the industry none the less.

http://diverdriver.com/accidents-by-year/

You were gone?

jumpsalot-2

I stood next to a Turbine 206 in Lincoln California a couple years ago as the pilot fired up that engine. No jump door of course. He knew we were all wanted a ride. Just an old man pilot with a shit eating grin on his face ....... I thought for sure it was the only one in the world. He flew away never to be seen again .....

Soloy offered(s) a 206 conversion years ago. But I don't think many were done for USA flying. I'm told most went to Europe.

But what Van Pray Jr has done here I think is a game changer.