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I remember “The Wreck”.

Wendy he passed many years ago. Sorry. https://www.dropzone.com/forums/topic/119711-rip-rev-jim/

Doing great!!

Bigun that's the helicopter (rotorcraft) requirement. For Airplanes it's 30 minutes reserve.

Meso my man...you have some serious Nomex you're wearing to withstand this flaming. I feel your pain. I'll get used to it. Each forum we always do. Those saying they'll never read here again are silly. Just like people who say "I'll never fly this airline again!" Yah, sure. They always buy a next ticket. Or if they leave they don't announce it. They just go and don't worry about it. Hats off to you Meso. I think I might read more. ;-) ...old member of the WRECK and original Dizzy.com.

Every jump plane accident back to 1982. http://diverdriver.com/accidents-by-year/ Every Cessna 182 jump plane accident back to 1982. http://diverdriver.com/?cat=43&tag=us Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Hey is this party still going? Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

LOL. Fix it. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

King Air was air to air video only. Not dropping. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Perhaps the most "interesting" jump was the early morning attempt where everyone's visor froze over due to the -34F exit temperatures. About 20 people took their helmets off so they could see. We landed and started walking back; we were back to the hangar before we heard the first "thud" of a helmet landing nearby. Wasn't my call. Just glad we didn't die on the sunset load where the cockpit windows iced over and we all lost sight of each other on the left wing. Then we brought the formation around again and the lead skyvan ran out of oxygen. Landed with the load and one guy in my plane was crying because he couldn't jump out. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Are you kidding? I happen to know Randy does a SHIT ton for skydivers and airport access and keeps FAA at bay more than you know. Yes, DZs do have rough interactions with the FAA. Some even deserve it. But I have seen the efforts that have saved many operations. Yes, USPA is worth it. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Ain't that the truth! Blue Skies Scotty. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Try joining our FaceBook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/DiverDriverCom/ We talk about this topic semi-regularly. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Has anything been added to it? Wingtip extensions? Gap seals? New prop? Step? These things can add weight. We're the things removed properly accounted for? When was the last weighing of the aircraft? Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

pchapman Yes, the Celina, OH Cessna 205 crash DID show that the aircraft was over loaded and out of aft CG for takeoff. But it did fly. The NTSB calculated not only the CG for takeoff but also what the effect of the jumper leaving the front would do. It put it FURTHER aft of the CG limit rendering the aircraft uncontrollable. I know you'd like to think it was just a pilot screw up but you have to look at the totality of the accident. It's not just one thing. Running out of gas on takeoff lead to the engine failure. But engine failures don't mean death! So why did he lose control? CG. WHICH IS THE EXACT POINT OF THIS ARTICLE. From the NTSB: "The operator provided weight and balance information, individual occupant weights, and a seating plan for the accident flight. The maximum gross weight for the airplane was 3,300 pounds and the aft center-of-gravity (cg) limit was 47.27 inches aft of datum. Weight and balance figures for the accident flight were computed at a fuel weight of 60 pounds. Preliminary calculations revealed the airplane weighed 3,060 pounds with the cg at 48.30 inches aft of datum. A weight and balance was also computed using the same figures, minus the first parachutist that departed the airplane. The calculations revealed the airplane weight to be about 2,898 pounds, and the cg 48.76 inches aft of datum." http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20001212X18790&ntsbno=IAD99FA043&akey=1 Why is it being used to show seatbelts prevent movement in flight? Well, sir, if they had seatbelts on they couldn't have moved to get out! Thus preventing the inadvertent stall/spin entry after engine failure. They were below 1,000 feet AGL. A witness statement: "The plane came straight down. There was no forward motion. He had all that field in front of him. Why in the heck he didn't get the nose down, I don't know." CG. And a personal tale if you'll indulge me. I was a jumper in a 206. We all took our seatbelts off at 1k like every one ever did. The pilot had no instrument rating and I didn't expect her to fly into clouds. But I always wore my helmet the entire flight to altitude. Well, the pilot entered a cloud on climb and panicked. She shoved the controls forward and all of us unbelted jumpers went to the ceiling. She came out of the bottom of the cloud and saw we were diving. She pulled back and we slammed to the floor. This sudden weight slamming the floor caused the plane to pitch up sharply and re-enter the cloud. She shoved again and we went to the ceiling. We went floor to ceiling to floor three times before recovering. Had we been belted in still the loss of control would have been less severe if not all together absent due to load shift. I was the only jumper who didn't injure their head. So yah, maybe we should be considering wearing seatbelts to a higher altitude like just before gear checks happen before exit. Why take them off at 1k? If you can't get out of the restraint quickly then it was improperly worn.

I saw that too and totally agree. What a shame. Blue Skies to Pam! Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

To learn more about jump plane safety and flying skydivers DiverDriver.com You can review accidents and see a break down on single engine vs. multi-engine jump planes. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

+100!! Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Oh man Popsjumpers. Blue Skies. You were a great part of the fabric of skydiving and DZ.com. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

While I don't necessarily "track" jump plane accidents outside the USA I do make posts on them at my website. I don't ignore them either. I also have discussion at my DiverDriver.com Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/DiverDriverCom/ Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

And "we" is defined as...? US only, North America, USPA? We've definitely had several fatal crashes in Europe, in fact one particularly bad one right after I started in the sport (Piper Navajo in Poland). Yes. The USA. It is the focus of my website even though I do post articles on accidents outside the USA. The regulations, accident report links and training center around flying skydivers in the USA. We fly approximately 100,000 hours of skydivers every year and I believe it is more than any other country. So, getting a statistic from this data set will have less variation than other parts of the world. Sorry if my post seemed myopic. I just have not tried to track every jump plane crash in the world. I don't have the resources. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Jumprun is considered cruise flight for jump planes. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

You can view my list of jump plane accidents at my website. http://diverdriver.com/accidents-by-year/ They are ALL jump plane accidents. My website focusses on the pilot and all aspects of the job. So my list contains accidents while flying skydivers, maintenance flights and ferry flights. While we had a fatal jump plane crash this year it is the first fatal jump plane crash with skydivers on board since December of 2010 so it is a rare occurrence. I started speaking out on jump plane safety after a horrible 1997 season and a fatal crash killed some friends in 1998. Since that time the number of accidents per year and the number of fatalities per year has come down overall. We bob between 5-10 accidents per year. I don't like that many at all but I have to say it is much better. This is due to an overall industry effort to improve jump plane safety. And again, some of the accidents on my list would not make the USPA list as they only focus on when jumpers are on board or have departed during that particular flight. edit to add: Sorry, I just realized I had responded to you already but had not put down what I thought about the accident rate. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

This is my website section where I list all jump plane accidents that I have found. I am focused on the pilot and their training so my list includes accidents that may not have jumpers on at the moment of the accident. But the accidents affect the industry none the less. http://diverdriver.com/accidents-by-year/ Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

You were gone? Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125