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  1. kallend

    ******>You have a solution?

    Sure. Let doctors ask. Let patients refuse to answer. Problem solved.



    From the link you posted, one patient was told she would have to find another doctor when she refused to answer her doctor's question about guns. Do you agree with a doctor being able to refuse treatment if a patient refuses to answer?

    AFAIK, a doctor can ask a patient to find another doctor any time for pretty much any reason except prohibited discrimination. The doctor has to continue to provide treatment for another 30 days before termination.

    Fair enough. If that's the case, then I have to admit there is no problem here. It did say that she was given 30 days to find another doctor.

  2. billvon

    >Do you agree with a doctor being able to refuse treatment if a patient refuses to answer?

    Depends on the issue/question.



    The issue/question was a woman being told to find another pediatrician because she refused to answer a question about whether she kept guns in her house. Your link didn't say specifically, but I didn't get the impression that her child had a gunshot wound (or any other gun-related issue) that inspired the question.

    The link implies that AMA policy is the reason that this doctor was asking the question in the first place. (So I'm not sure I would look to them for guidance in this particular ethics issue.)

  3. jakee

    ******>You have a solution?

    Sure. Let doctors ask. Let patients refuse to answer. Problem solved.



    From the link you posted, one patient was told she would have to find another doctor when she refused to answer her doctor's question about guns. Do you agree with a doctor being able to refuse treatment if a patient refuses to answer?

    That sucks. I would hope and expect that there were already regulations in place regarding arbitrary refusal of care that would cover such a situation. But I'm not american, and you guys tend to view healthcare very differently to the rest of the world;):P

    I don't know if there are other regulations that should apply, but this (specific to questions about firearms) is one of the issues that appears to be covered in the Firearm Owners’ Privacy Act.

  4. billvon

    >You have a solution?

    Sure. Let doctors ask. Let patients refuse to answer. Problem solved.



    From the link you posted, one patient was told she would have to find another doctor when she refused to answer her doctor's question about guns. Do you agree with a doctor being able to refuse treatment if a patient refuses to answer?

  6. billvon

    Florida has outlawed doctor advice to patients on gun safety for children



    Geez, don't doctors have enough to do without becoming gun experts who are qualified to give people advice about gun safety?

    Of course, you're twisting the words of the act anyway . . .

  9. champu

    *********If you and your elk wouldn't go encouraging women to rear-end people at stop lights . . .


    I thought he had a reindeer, not an elk.:)
    I'm guessing that was an auto-correct mishap, but it gave me a belly-laugh!:D

    I think it was in reference to this:
    http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4703134#4703134

    I've tried to find a good photo of a person standing along with some elk but i haven't had much luck finding one with the right look. I may have to photoshop something together. Elk, as I'm sure you know living in CO, are kinda a bunch of jerks.

    Yes, I was attempting to be funny. I don't think I've ever used the word "ilk" except when I'm playing Boggle. I find the word annoying, but thanks to you, now it makes me think of people with their elk. :)
    But after a quick search, this was the only pic I could find of someone with a live elk. Lots of dead elk pics.

  11. Quote

    Look at that punk! How come he was even allowed to get near a gun????? At 19, he can't legally buy a beer!!!!!



    Assuming that he legally had the gun (I don't know), is it his age or his appearance that makes you think he shouldn't have been allowed to get near a gun?

    As for the age thing, that does bug me. It seems that we need to decide on an age that makes a person a legal adult - at which point they can vote, buy alcohol, buy a gun, go into the military, have consensual sex with other adults, be charged with crimes as an adult, etc.

  13. Quote

    Still, they are accurate enough to predict things like elections, referendums and consumer trends with a fair degree of accuracy.



    I could probably poke some holes here, but I'm realizing that I got onto the wrong subject anyway. Should have realized I was stepping into yet another climate change argument. :P Something I have no argument for, or against.

  14. billvon

    >These phone survey "statistics" always bug me, no matter what the subject. I'd be
    >willing to bet that there is a different mindset from the type of person who answers his
    >phone and agrees to take the survey vs. the type of person (like myself) who wouldn't
    >be bothered to take the survey or likely wouldn't answer a call from an unfamiliar
    >number anyway.

    Agreed.

    Four studies were listed above. Three were metastudies of published peer reviewed scientific work. One was an on-line survey sent out to climate researchers who have published in the field. No phone surveys.



    Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm referring to the survey of the general public.

    "The survey of the general public was conducted by landline and cellular telephone August 15-25, 2014 with a representative sample of 2,002 adults nationwide."

    http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/01/29/public-and-scientists-views-on-science-and-society/ (Link from the page you posted.)

  15. kallend


    W. R. L. Anderegg, “Expert Credibility in Climate Change,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Vol. 107 No. 27, 12107-12109 (21 June 2010); DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1003187107.

    P. T. Doran & M. K. Zimmerman, "Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," Eos Transactions American Geophysical Union Vol. 90 Issue 3 (2009), 22; DOI: 10.1029/2009EO030002.

    N. Oreskes, “Beyond the Ivory Tower: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change,” Science Vol. 306 no. 5702, p. 1686 (3 December 2004); DOI: 10.1126/science.1103618.


    Also:
    www.aaas.org/sites/default/files/migrate/uploads/1021climate_letter1.pdf


    Seems to indicate a pretty good consensus.



    I was referring to the "general public" (non-scientists) whose opinions were sought through a phone survey.

  16. These phone survey "statistics" always bug me, no matter what the subject. I'd be willing to bet that there is a different mindset from the type of person who answers his phone and agrees to take the survey vs. the type of person (like myself) who wouldn't be bothered to take the survey or likely wouldn't answer a call from an unfamiliar number anyway. A different mindset that might extend to other areas such as religious, political, scientific beliefs, etc.

    Makes it hard to put much significance on the numbers they come up with.

  19. Don't know... I can't get past the oddness of the whole situation in the commercial. First, I've never seen such a sign at a swimming pool. And I've never seen a lifeguard monitoring when someone eats and how long they wait to get in the pool afterward. So it all seems goofy to me.

  20. ryoder

    I just now streamed it.

    Yes, their POV was that of the anti-gun crowd, but I would also look at it as flattering to the NRA for portraying them as a very polished and effective lobbying machine, and for showing LaPierre as a master of politics.



    I watched it on the PBS website. It didn't seem to me that they had a POV one way or the other. It seemed more like a general history of why the gun debate is where it's at today, without saying one "side" or the other is wrong.

  22. There's so much stuff coming out that it's hard to not think at least some of it's true. I don't usually follow celebrity gossip, but this has gotten my attention - partially because it's freakin' Bill Cosby, but also because there is so much that it's hard to ignore.

    One thing I see is that most of these women don't have much to gain by speaking out about it. I mean, it's not very likely he will be convicted of anything, so I think they're coming out more to help others who are afraid of being discredited. Also, they're setting themselves up (which they must be aware of) for the whole "blaming the victim" scenario, because most of them (while still likely victims) have not been in entirely blameless scenarios. Hanging out with big-time star who can possibly advance their careers, accepting who-knows-what kind of drugs from this dude, etc. . . .

  25. I was remarkably good at distilling in my o-chem class. It really was all about temperature and the right boiling point to separate what you want.

    Now if someone could just teach me to drink the shit without turning into a freaking lunatic . . .