ludikris

Classic response.. and yet so far off it's not funny. Well, maybe post 14 isn't the time to let us know that this is a family member and you are not trying to make a buck selling a smaller than necessary canopy to an unsuspecting student against all the advice of the instructors at the DZ....which is exactly what this post looks like to anyone here and is why you got so many cynical answers...hhhmmmm? oh right because safe, applicable answers are only meant for family members... right.... Maybe YOU need to ask questions first before responding and sounding stupid. Maybe you should go to an instructor for safe, applicable answers and not an internet forum and prove yourself stupid.

who is it for? - family member... as I explained...

Classic response.. and yet so far off it's not funny. Well, maybe post 14 isn't the time to let us know that this is a family member and you are not trying to make a buck selling a smaller than necessary canopy to an unsuspecting student against all the advice of the instructors at the DZ....which is exactly what this post looks like to anyone here and is why you got so many cynical answers...hhhmmmm? oh right because safe, applicable answers are only meant for family members... right.... Maybe YOU need to ask questions first before responding and sounding stupid.

1. Then you got THE best answer several times - When the "INSTRUCTOR" says she's ready. Even when I was an Instructor and my family members were learning how to skydive; they would come and ask me questions about this or that. Even with my family; I would, 1) not be their Instructor, and 2) tell them, "You need to be talking to YOUR Instructor." 2. Since you said, "I was hoping for more than that;" There's some information on here in the "Safety" tab at the top regarding canopy control. The first one I would recommend you look at when it comes to downsizing decisions is this one: http://www.dropzone.com/safety/Canopy_Control/Downsizing_Checklist_47.html After that, have her read any or all of the articles published here: http://www.dropzone.com/safety/Canopy_Control/ There was a safety committee developed on here years ago that reviewed and endorsed the articles in the "Safety" section as those that everyone agreed were important and "safe" to put on here. 3. Please understand that as Instructors; most of us have had to deal with THAT FAMILY GUY who is either a skydiver and is putting us on the spot in front of their family student OR that FAMILY GUY who doesn't even skydive, but read a bunch of shit on the Internet and puts us on the spot in front of their family member student. Or, is challenging us with information they learned on the Internet in front of that family student. Finally, years ago... every Instructor on here agreed that there is only one response to questions regarding students, "Talk to your/their Instructor" - so that we weren't stepping on each other's toes. Honest enough? I understand the politics behind instructors and coaches and stepping on toes... Im definitely not trying to do that.. just legitimately trying to gauge if I should hold on to this container or sell it to upsize.. Your answer was fair though.. I get it.. and appreciate your honesty.. Maybe a historical example was more of what I was looking for. I should appreciate that coaches are far less likely to give candid opinions on dz.com similar to what advice I've been given privately... it's always tricky to not get condescending responses from the wolf pack on dz.com :P

Friend needs to decide whether skydiving is for her. Complete her jump course, continue jumping until she can cope with flying and landing a suitable canopy and has clocked up enough jumps for her DZO and fellow jumpers to trust her, and THEN consider downsizing. Too early to jump the gun on this issue. Thanks.. ya Im guessing this is really the only fair answer. I just wish I could be better prepared with a rig of the right size... I don't wanna hold onto this container that only holds a 170 if I absolutely must stay on a 190 for a while...

Im curious why you assume Im "rushing" anything? I merely asked a question. The container and reserve is already in possession and ready and the student canopy is one size up from this... I just need to know if I should bother getting it repacked or sell it and get a larger container for a 190.

i wasn't asking for student speculation Jack is far, far, FAR from being a "student" He just leaves that in his profile because we should all be students every day. His advice was sound and is usually the same advice given by most on here. Take your friend out of the equation. If you asked the same question about yourself; most would reply, "When your Instructor tells you you're safe to do it." You may not like the answer... but, it's the best one on here. So, what is the inaccurate signature for ? trolling? It would help if people represent themselves honestly here.. Im not looking for answers that humour me or answers Im hoping for. I've asked this question amongst coaches, professionals and canopy engineers but I never ask questions to just a couple people..I always get as much advice as I can and make my own decision just like this person will. The answer I was given was ... "based on her weight etc.. a student can transition to a 170 from a 190 unless she exhibits poor canopy control.." For the record, I am looking out of this person's best interests as they are family. I did not decide on the student size of canopy, that was done by the instructor and coach. Im merely trying to gauge if the container they have that maxes out at 170 is worth keeping and renting gear on before moving to. I moved one size down like most of my fellow jumpers did quite quickly so, I know it's always "when my instructor says so.." but I was hoping for more than that... I guess realistically, this is too difficult a question to answer as it all depends on how well they do in the air and that is it... I just thought I may get some answers to the effect of .. 'took me X amount of jumps to downsize from 190 - 170... " Im hoping for a response from someone who makes these decisions on the regular... what traits do you look out for to make the decision of a student moving down one wing size?

Classic response.. and yet so far off it's not funny.

So, what size canopy would you put for a person weighing 210lbs?

i wasn't asking for student speculation

Looking for professional opinions here.. 130lb person starting AFF/ PFF here in Canada.. She is gonna do her first jump on a student 190. Maybe a 210 if the 190 is unavaible. Provided she is landing this 190 and standing it up, how soon could she safely jump on a 170? Wingload would be .8 to start on a 190. Cheers :)

Keebe San perhaps ? that's his facebook name ;)

In my scenario, the biplane ended up with two canopies, main up front.. the reserve came out after I was in the saddle and about to collapse my slider... it just sat right in behind the main at the exact same level making it basically one big canopy... rather than disrupt the airflow between two equal canopies of size and level, i steered the rear.

Recently I was told by an instructor that in the event of a side by side 2-out, that if they are stable and flyable, to steer both canopies individually - left hand on left rear riser, right hand on right rear riser... In my experience, this is not correct, I was trained to grab the reserve by the opposite or outside rear riser, steer it away from the main and chop the main so I am only now flying the reserve to the ground.. Has anyone heard the first before? 2nd.. Under a biplane that is stable... I was also told to fly the rear by someone I would consider an expert vs someone else who said It's correct to fly the one in front... which to me seems illogical as it would disrupt the air flow between the two wings.. Bueller?

I recently called up Mirage and verified my D-ring length was OEM at 27" but Im not sure if I should be concerned. I barely have an inch of excess cable between the hole and the ball at the end of the cable. I've seen a few hybrids pop a reserve via the chest strap and I really don't care to imitate... Im curious how the pillow reserves work vs the d-ring since it appears the pillow cutaway has next to no slack at all.. Thoughts ?