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QuoteQuotehas had the 20 year life span also
imposed on it .
I'm really curious now.
Imposed by whom? A government agency? RI? Your national association?
the manufacturer!!!!
cheersIf you can't kill yourself doing it, its not a sport... its a game.
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[Quotein australia the talons have a 20 year life cycle
Is that because your country has such a law that applies to all sport equipment or to Talons specifically?
Edited to add: Try to keep those ideas on you side of the pond!
to my knoledge only gear made by the original parachutes australia have the 20 year life cycle( pig mee)
but since the sale of PA and implimentation of talon manufacture here in australia under licence.
has had the 20 year life span also
imposed on it .
cheers steveIf you can't kill yourself doing it, its not a sport... its a game.
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QuoteSandy Reid was always reluctant to assign specific "lives" to American-made Talons.
We used to tease him that the worst feature of the original Talon (pre-1994) was that they were so durable. By 1997, original Talons were considered big and clunky and bulky, but most of them were still airworthy.
so are you saying that if the gear is in good condition there is no sevice life span on the american talon?
cheers steve
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as in australia the talons have a 20 year life cycle
any help would be appreciated
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QuoteI've got thick e-skin so I'm not offended by your comments. I did originally re-read my first post and I am wondering why this is considered a breach of safety regulations. Maybe it was just a bad assumption on your part or am I still missing something?
I was trained on both systems although when doing independent research did find that my SOS training did miss a small but very important point. My main reason for bringing this up is that those designing the instruction need to make sure that important details are not overlooked.
-Michael
hi again sorry for the concern
but in your initial comment you didnt give a tme frame for the two jumps and you didnt say that they were at two different Dzs
i hope this helps
cheers steve
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thank you for expanding your jump history but if you re read your initial post you might see how my comment is justified
stay safe cheers steve
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this in itself is not common practice and acually
is a breach of safety regulations
so i must say being confused and scared about two action and or SOS would be the norm
lets hope your course of instruction doesnt end up in a fatality
blueskies steve
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As a case in point, the recent Byron Bay fatality shows that experienced
jumpers (500+ jumps) can still cutaway, and not pull their reserve (no RSL,
no AAD). If an E-licence jumper can STILL do this, despite all the
training, why do we expect a student (from first or second jump) to do
better?
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i think peter b missed a simple point the concept included an RSL ?
and as for overlearning and transitional changes from gear types to current trends some very competant jumpers died making those changes from gear types due to primacy in learning
just because pete was able to vary without a problem isnt the absolute norm
cheers steve
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Since licensed jumpers do not use ground-to-air radio, should student radios be eliminated?
Mark
Thank you for your input but i think you are missing the point and changing the direction of what i am looking to clarify
regards steve
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attitude of defeat and concentrate on keeping the students enthusiasm alive so the do progress to being fully licenced jumpers.
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QuoteQuotehI ALL THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE
COMMENTS FOR AND AGAINST IF POSSIBLE
ANY ONE ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS
CHEERS STEVE
If you utilize the search function and do a little research you can find more information on this particular subject as it has been discussed before in alternate threads.
thank you for the info
cheers steve
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I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE
COMMENTS FOR AND AGAINST IF POSSIBLE
ANY ONE ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS
CHEERS STEVE
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keep the comments comming cheers blueskies steve
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and am interested in finding out all the facts as to why it could/ could not be agreable that students be can trained on equipment that is equal
to what they will be jumping for thier skydiving future
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QuoteAfter we landed and the camera was turned off, I explained to her "transfer of ownership" in such a way that made it even clearer to me why I enjoy teaching first time skydivers.
When students show up, many of them doubt their ability to complete the task at hand - stepping out of the airplane. Many times they show huge trust in me, knowing that I will do my best to guide them through the experience safely. At that point they see "ownership" of the experience being mine.
After we land I sometimes point to the sky and show them where they came from, and acknowledge them for making the decision to fly through the clear blue. At that point the "ownership" transfers . . . I explain that THEY made the decision, THEY answered the "ready?" question positively, and THEY followed through on their intention. I was merely a facilitator.
Those students leave with the knowledge that they have created something for themselves - a level of courage, daring, confidence, etc. that they can apply elsewhere in their lives.
It is a privilege to be honored with their trust, and to be their caretaker for a short while as they truly learn to fly - both literally and figuratively.
here! here !
its not just about making a $$$
blue skies steve
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this number is for the Dz
just let them know that we have chatted and you will looked after
blueskies steve
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say hi to all from me
ta steve
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ask how many of you out there have jumped in australia ? lately
(non ausies that is )
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if no one will jump it dont buy it
regards steve
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no cryptic clues here !
bluesones steve
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but i have been in a few situations and the question asked did you keep your handles isnt about your handels,
it takes the stress out of the last situation !(mal)
why stay freaked about the drama instead you have now put the thought,s on to a simple thing !
there isnt any punnishment for droping them just a few extra bucks
big blue ones steve
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rember the 8 hour Rule
and get Free and be Free
no hooks
blue ones steve
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great to see you jumpingany thing great(extraordinary ) isnt Free but i must say the first jump is the most Exspensive
and it does get less expensive at each level you pass!
as for the currency thing its up to your Dz and their instructors to evaluate the climate and your skill level which equals progresion, to move you on to the next level
stay safe steve
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talon life cycle
in Gear and Rigging
thanks have done so all ready
cheers steve
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