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  2. 33 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    One of these particles is not like the others..

    The other two are close but don't match perfectly..

    They don't even match the patent exclusively.

    As we sit here today, on a scale of 1 being least likely and 100 being most likely, how likely do you think it is that one of the Rem-Cru "persons of interest" is Cooper?

  3. 3 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

    Not at all. I think most people who are interested in the Cooper case just want to know who he was. It's like saying that people who are into Bigfoot wouldn't want to see an actual Bigfoot. 

    Arguably the folk legend would grow if it is established that he survived and lived another 10, 20, 30 years.

    It would just be a different legend, I suppose.

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    5 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

    I'm complete shit when it comes to going through the McCrone spreadsheets. They confuse the hell out of me so I'm of no use finding stuff in it. Chris Broer is the master of the McCrone spreadsheet. 

    I guess I'm not sure what you're asking about whether the Vordahl stubs are different than Petersen's. Those 3 TiSb particles were the reason Ulis looked into RemCru. Those same 3 particles are what led us to Vordahl since he was the only person at RemCru verified to have come into contact with TiSb alloys during the tie era. 

    I have a philosophical question:

    Do you and your fellow Remcru investigators anticipate feeling at least a wee bit of wistfulness if you indeed crack the Cooper case?

    He is one of the last true American folk heroes. And that status is largely dependent upon the fact that the man is a phantom, a wisp.

    (I would add that the folk hero status is also highly and perhaps mostly dependent upon persons such as yourself and everyone else here who is trying, without avail, to identify Dan Cooper.)

  5. · Edited by Eight Raleighs

    The conspiracy theories strike me as mostly utter nonsense. Dan Cooper was almost certainly Pacific Northwest resident who hijacked an airplane in order to secure $200,000. He acted alone. 

    Short of legitimate evidence indicating otherwise, everything else strikes me as an embellishment intended to kill time or as a grift.

  6. The Cooper case over the last 20 years (or maybe more) makes for a great case study in how people will selectively cherry-pick "evidence" to push a particular conclusion, in this case the veracity of their "suspects." Such a book would make a fine addition to the Cooper oeurve.  Perhaps I'll take it on myself!

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  7. 10 hours ago, Math of Insects said:

    Having said that...a key difference is that someone would have to have reported the hiker missing. This is the complicated part of the Cooper case.

    It does complicate things quite a bit. However, if you realized or suspected that your husband or father or brother was hijacker D.B. Cooper, you might hold off on reporting that person missing in the event he turned up alive, right? 

  8. 27 minutes ago, Math of Insects said:

    Another plane tried to chase but never saw the plane, and their own plane started to ice so they had to land (NB anyone who tries to downplay the weather conditions that night). 

    Is it your belief that Cooper died in the jump? (Or shortly thereafter.)

  9. 7 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    Yes, your comment makes sense now.. 

    olemisscub was suggesting Cooper MAY have been a lefty here on this forum.. while he had Vordahl as a suspect..

    Did they claim Vordahl was a lefty?

    He’s drinking with his right hand in the GIF. That said, just a short while ago, my wife and I were playing Scrabble. I was drinking with my left hand and playing with my right - the drink was set to my left so as not to interfere with the game play. So it’s not like people exclusively use their dominant hand.

  10. 29 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    I am not sure what the context is for the comment,, the evidence strongly suggests Cooper was right handed..

    unless the Vordahl crew think he was a lefty.. I don't know.

    Ulis spent years claiming Cooper was left handed because Sheridan was..

    OleMissCub has speculated that Cooper was left-handed, including on Darren S.’s podcast.

  11. On 11/22/2022 at 2:58 PM, olemisscub said:

    Yeah, this dude is the poster child for having a light complexion. No dark features or olive skin whatsover.  

     

     

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    Do you find it bothersome that Milton appears to be right-handed?

  13. 7 minutes ago, Math of Insects said:

    There's a lot to unpack in that. Certainly one would assume a blank slide would be among "what they have." Anyone's necktie(s). Anything that has ever been on an airplane. And so forth.

    But also, inherent in that statement is an acknowledgment of the limitations of the results as a meaningful resource, until "they have" more.

    That acknowledgment would also be the caution against taking any of those results as gospel, until better data is acquired. Yes? 

    Unquestionably. I view what has been performed thus far as an entry point to 1. identifying a possible suspect; and 2. then seeking out more “actionable” evidence. 

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  15. I try not to get too much into the "profiling" part of this - the science is the science. But it is difficult to believe that a successful scientist would risk his freedom, not to mention life and limb, to skyjack a passenger jet.

    You can appreciate why it is difficult for some to wrap their heads around.

  16. It makes little sense to me that, aside from protocol regarding name redactions, for example, the FBI won't just share everything it knows at this point. I assume it is because they don't want to reveal certain investigatory techniques, generally. But they don't care about solving this case any more, so aside from how sharing might impact its processes in other cases, I am not sure what supports the need for secrecy.

  17. · Edited by Eight Raleighs

    I had read someone state on a sub-Reddit regarding the Idaho college murders that there is "no such thing as touch DNA." (I think that is where I read it.)

    This may be semantics, though.

  18. 7 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    An interesting data point,,

    Most often an alias is not entirely random but from some past reference, easier to remember.. Cooper was the right age to be in WW2 contrary to what Dr Edwards keeps saying,, So, I searched the AAD WW2 enlisted names... 

    I am not suggesting that Cooper necessarily used the name from somebody he knew in WW2 but it is entirely possible he crossed paths with the name somewhere.

    People have claimed "Dan Cooper" is a common name.. but is it.. 

    What is interesting is using the WW2 name search as a proxy,

    There are 7 "Dan Cooper" names in the WW2 AAD enlistment search.. very rare.

    There are 33 "Daniel Cooper" names in the WW2 AAD enlistment search.. still rare.

    There were 16 million men enlisted in WW2.. the AAD may not be 100% complete but it is an interesting data point..

    "Dan Cooper" is very rare "Daniel Cooper" more common but still rare.

    The US pop in 1971 was 208 million,, say half male = 104 million.

    If we use the AAD as a rough proxy, in 1971 there were about 45 Dan Cooper's and 214 Daniel Cooper's in the US,, 

    Could Cooper have got the alias from one of them...

     

    This is part of the William Smith theory, correct? Didn't he go to high school with a Dan Cooper?

  20. 27 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

    The Vordahl presentation was professionally filmed. It will be up on YouTube at some point I think. 

    I happened to be filming Bill Mitchell during his discussion with Ulis when Mitchell pointed to Vordahl and just out of the blue volunteered that Vordahl's facial features seem right and that he does kinda look like him given what vague memory he still has. That made many folks in there sit up a bit because, as we all know, whenever he is shown a suspect photo Bill always has the stock answer of "it's been X number of years, Cooper could walk in the door and I wouldn't recognize him." 

    I was able to have some nice moments with him over the weekend. We had breakfast in the hotel on Saturday and Sunday. We were the early risers so both days we were the first ones there when breakfast opened. So he had breakfast both days with Dave Fudeman and myself. Saturday morning he told us that he felt that the sketches (all of them) seemed too young for his memory of Cooper. He said that all these TV programs have always put forward these commandos and paratroopers and how the FBI always showed him photos of these guys and also of skydiving groups, etc., but he never felt it could be those type guys because that wasn't the vibe Cooper gave off. With me he used the phrase he has used before, stating that he always remembered Cooper as this geeky old man with awful hair. He told me during a break in between panels that the night of the hijacking an FBI agent asked him if he thought he could have won in a fight with Cooper and he told them he absolutely could have. He said Cooper was a good bit smaller than him. 

    I asked Bill if he remembered the drunk cowboy and he said he can't recall the guy wearing a hat, but he does remember this obnoxious drunk on the plane who was several rows in front of him who came back and stood near him for several minutes talking to Tina. So he's pretty obviously remembering the cowboy. He said that when they were in the bus with the FBI agents that this same drunk raised his hand and told one of the agents something like "hey, when can we go? I've got to piss."

    Oh, and Sunday he gave me his email and asked me to send him my stuff on Vordahl, so that was kinda neat. 

    He also told a story about how he was traveling around the Northeast this past year with his wife and they stopped by at the United 93 memorial in Shanksville. He said he was really saddened by it and I'm not sure if he was crying or what but he said a female Park Ranger walked up and asked if he was OK and he told her "yes, it's just that I was on a hijacked plane a long time ago when I was young and I might could have been killed on it like these people and never had children or grandchildren." He said that she goes "D.B. Cooper hijacking? You're Bill Mitchell right?" So he thought that was wild to be recognized on the other side of the country. 

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    Do you know if Tom Kaye is certain that the titanium-antimony particles are an alloy? Has he suggested that there are other possibilities? That was a point of discussion at this site over the last few days. Perhaps it was addressed during the Rem-Cru session last weekend.

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  21. 34 minutes ago, georger said:

    Its hard for me to believe that CC22 wasnt video taped. Is the world going to be allowed to see/hear the presentations? Or, how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ does Ulis want ?  If these people want progress in the case they are going to have to share what they think or know! These people want attention when they have something to say - but seem unwilling to share what they have. Research is  a two-way street. One researcher always remarks: "This is DB Cooper. =  Chaos". If that is the only option then . . . . .

    I am willing to be patient on this - certainly the researchers will lay out their factual case, sooner than later. Whether that's a video from CooperCon, a separate video, or a blog post or post at this site or another, I expect that the cards will be on the table.

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    19 minutes ago, Math of Insects said:

    Yes. I have said all along that the most obvious reason that the tie might have particles related to the aircraft industry, is that it was found in an aircraft.

     

    It also encountered the ‘chutes, which themselves had been in numerous aircraft and related environments.

     

    Again: a simple and obvious set of control groups would address this very easily.

    It is frustrating that essentially financial resources hold this back. Think about if the Discovery and/or Travel Channel had not jumped in, at some point? Think about if there were not Tom Kaye? This is probably what frustrates and/or fascinates many about this case - the idea that the answers are in reach, given the desire by people or agencies of means to actually solve it.

    But the ones who have graciously stepped in have only been able to move the ball forward incrementally and arguably left more questions than answers in their wake, to no fault of their own.

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  24. 24 minutes ago, georger said:

    Its daily cross word puzzles. People compete to make up the puzzles. Its like watching people at a ball game. It often has no relationship to reality. Its a social game. Like the Mickey Mouse Club.  People are awarded points for the best moves. For example: NickyB @WeSupplyYou in Miami is currently operating as a world class expert in materials science. He traded in his toner cartridges for alloys! ............................ read the Oregonian Newspaper on Monday to find out more. The next great idea may be to hold CoooperCon23 in North Korea combined with an ICBM launch by  Kim Jong-un. CooperCon players may finally receive recognition by CNN in time to run for political office in Arizona. All because of the DB Cooper case. One promoter says Elvis Presley is his idol. A daily cross word puzzle with high stakes ?  It has ceased to have anything to do with the DB Cooper hijacking case. Its crazy.

    Is the science necessarily all that complicated, though, for purposes of what Ulis and others are performing? I understand that none of these guys are going to be able to view particles under an electron miscroscope and identify molecules. But GIVEN the knowledge imparted by Kaye, a layman with some free time could take the ball and run with it, no?