EVickiW

19 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

The flightpath is solid, to reject it for an alternative requires the NORJAK crew, NWA, Boeing, the Air Force, flight controllers and chase pilots to all be collectively wrong and to cover it up.
 

 

There weren't three bundles found on TBAR..

There were 3 packets.. of 100 bills (one was missing some)

Cooper received randomize sized bundles of packets (100 bills).. 

The three packets found on TBAR went to Cooper in a bundle. The argument that the three packets landed independently and must have been in a container is not valid and an error. The 3 packets of money most likely came from ONE bundle. With that, there are many theories for the money arriving at TBAR as one bundle. 

 

I have several theories,, my favourite one is that the TBAR money was the money offered to the stews.. as we know it was separated from the money bag. But, it may that Cooper dropped a bundle on the stairs and it fell off over the Columbia after he jumped.

 

 

 

On Page 16 of the files just released, it says the "tip" offered to the stews came from his own money. Not the ransom money. 

On 4/17/2019 at 10:06 PM, RobertMBlevins said:

It's harder than people believe to COMPLETELY vanish from the face of the earth, especially in a purposeful manner. (Not counting plane crashes in the wilderness or falling off a ship, etc.)

One set of people that would probably know what happened to him is any of his relatives, the ones from HIS side of the family. It's hard to go the rest of your life without contacting someone from your side of the family. He might be able to avoid your mother's side, and probably would, but if anyone knows anything, it would come from his side somewhere. .

 

Melvin Wilson's only family was his mother, Evelyn Swartz, and his first wife/children who resided in the San Francisco area. His first wife and their children were very close to Evelyn and took care of her until she passed. He left his first family in 1956 after being released from San Quentin. According to his first wife, he never contacted their family again. His mother, Evelyn, died in 1994. When Melvin left his first family, he also left his mother. She never saw him again. When he met my mother, he said he was from Canada and was an orphan as his parents died when he was very young. 

I have submitted my DNA into 4 different DNA databases (such as Ancestry). So far, I have found a cousin on my father's side. The loophole?  Their family did not know their (and my) grandfather fathered my dad after moving (abandoning his wife and 7 children in Pennsylvania) to San Francisco, California in 1926. My grandfather died December 1944. 

So as far as our family is concerned, Melvin Wilson vanished from the face of the earth. 

 

On 4/15/2019 at 8:15 PM, dudeman17 said:

 I've also heard that the FBI holds out hope that someone will remember something, present a new suspect or evidence. Some people have done that, come forward saying 'I think it was my uncle/dad's friend/husband...' That leads me to wonder. If you thought someone you knew/cared about might be a notorious criminal, would you come forward? Risk getting someone in trouble? Or would you keep your mouth shut? I suppose if they've passed and are beyond prosecution you might want to know if the truth could be determined. But would you want to sully their name? Perhaps you'd be lionizing them as a folk hero?  Hmmm.....

............................

I have come forward and asked the FBI to consider looking into our father, Melvin Wilson. Not for the fame. My brother and I just want to know why he vanished off the face of the earth. 

45 years ago today, my brother and I used the typewriter in my mom's room. We were told the typewriter belonged to our father. This is what we wrote.  Sometimes these two little kids that wrote this letter are still in our hearts and heads. We still continue to wonder where he went. This is why we came forward.

16 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

Why is my name attached to the post above. I've never made that statement. is this a quote from Derek? 

It is...Under a different screen name. 

On 4/2/2019 at 6:48 PM, wolfriverjoe said:

You have to remember that there was a draft, even in peacetime, in the 50s. Even Elvis was subject to it.
So if Cooper was 'fortyish' in 71, that means he was 'twentyish' in 51. And subject to the draft. 
Either during/in the Korean Conflict or after it as 'just another draftee'. 

If Cooper was mid forties in '71, he could have served at the end of WWII. Leaving home at 14 - 15 and lied about his age to serve. 

RobertMBlevins

I have seen a recent internet posting about a possible new DB Cooper film/TV show being produced in the Los Angeles area, 'financed and slated to begin shooting next month,' according to the person making the posting.

Are you sure you don't mean Edge West's production released in 2012, The Skyjacker That Got Away. (?) It's been out for a while now. Edge West, headed by Philip Day, is also based in Los Angeles.

This alleged claim of a NEW film/TV show out of LA on Cooper is almost certainly false. The person who posted it said he asked his alleged contact 'Has Robert Blevins been invited?' and the supposed answer was no. Of course, the only credit he gives was 'Tweety Bird' and no name is given of any producer. Post was made by G at the alternate site, which frankly...is most likely baloney. G currently spends the majority of his time at the alternate site doing cut/paste from THIS thread and then slamming on those posts over THERE. I would like to see some proof of his claim. Upcoming films and TV shows are heavily promoted beforehand, not a Big Secret, LOL. There is absolutely nothing on Google or in the trades about this alleged production.

Personally...I think G just made the whole thing up (tossing in an alleged comment by an unnamed producer) so he could do another insult about me at the alternate site.

I also believe that G's constant cut-and-paste whining is tiresome. Not to me...but to the good folks trying to make something out of that site. And they do try.

Think about it. Shutter establishes the site and says, 'I did it basically to get away from Blevins and Jo, and to create serious discussion away from Dropzone'. (paraphrased) No problem. But instead of that, he gets nothing but Blevins and Jo. I don't care a whit about that, but the site is becoming boring. I think Shutter should challenge G privately about these things, especially the part where he claims to have inside knowledge on the financing and production of an upcoming film/TV show on Cooper out of the LA area...which mysteriously fails to appear anywhere on searches in the usual places where these things are found. Like I said, these things are heavily promoted long in advance of the actual filming.

In other words...G probably made the whole thing up.
Wait. I already said that, didn't I?

ParrotheadVol

Just where did you see this posting at?

Speaking of just making things up, have we made any headway yet in determining who the liar is in the Kenny Christiansen saga?

Gee ParrotheadVol you bring up a good point. When I first read this revelation, I too wondered where on the internet was this tidbit of information posted. Of course I did this prior to his usually re-editing of his entire post.

At first, I thought he might be scoping out shutter's Cooper site since his post was almost verbatim to what georger had written a few short hours previously. However, that could not be as he never gives the DB Cooper Forum his time or trouble so it could not possible be where he heard it.

So I took it upon myself to do a little internet research. I copy/pasted RMB's DZ post. Then I Googled it. The first Google entry was shutter's DB Copper Forum and goerger's post. I looked at all the other Google entries...nuthin'!

So....no other internet postings that I could find concerning the Cooper show by the History Channel. However, a year ago at the symposium, I (as well as other Cooper attendees), spoke with Geoff Gray at the Swiss Pub. He told us he sold the movie rights to his book. Then about a month ago I spoke with an interested Cooper party about my contact with William Mitchell. During that conversation I heard about the pending interviews taking place.

So...we sit and wait. Is it true? is it baloney? Time will tell.

NMIWrecks

***What about motive? I'm not going to take the time to read each and every post up to present to refresh what has been said about a motive, but here are some that I have listed:

1. Mentally disturbed, (obvious if you are going to jump out of a perfectly good airplane into southern Washington, in the rain, at night).
2. Retribution
3. Diversion
4. Fame
5. Government operations
6. Covetousness of $

My conclusions:
1. Likely not mentally ill. He seemed rationale in what he said and how he interacted with the Stews. Also, he showed strong signs of planning, coordination, decision-making, and reason. (Doesn't mean your not crazy, but he had a handle on acting rationale in context).
2. Retribution - made one statement to Tina about getting back. This was weak and really there is no connection. Undetermined.
3. Diversion - undetermined.
4. Fame - he never enjoyed it as defined by the world giving you acclaim and adulation and personally enjoying it. Determined as not a motive.
5. Govt Operator - demonstrated signs of military training and unique competencies that are learned behaviors familiar to Govt operators. Undetermined.
6. Covet money. He got the 200K. At least linked to a motive.

The following narrative is merely conjecture, but could explain a couple details of the skyjacking:

A man suffering a midlife crisis decides to abandon his wife, children and job and abscond to Mexico with a couple thousand dollars of his employers money and possibly a female accomplice.

After spending some time out west, the romance wears off and the mans paramour starts missing her family and friends and decides to head back home, leaving the man stranded in an unfamiliar locale, alone. He cannot return home, because he will be arrested and the embarrassment of his predicament is overwhelming.

A couple years after fleeing his home, the holiday season approaches and the man is low on funds, missing his children and family and becomes extremely depressed. The thought of going through Thanksgiving with strangers again gnaws at his stomach and he becomes despondent. And Christmas alone again? Terrible.

About a week and a half before Thanksgiving, the man reads in newspapers about a bumbling skyjacker named Paul Cini. This clown Cini even makes the national TV news. Broke, hungry and alone, the man who is unable to ever go back home and is at the end of his rope thinks to himself "If I'm going to go out, I'm going to go out big."

Improving on Cini's fiasco, the very intelligent man comes up with a plan. If he succeeds or not does not matter because he has nothing, therefore he has nothing to lose. If he dies or is captured, at least he will be famous and get some of the attention he thinks he deserves. If he gets away, he'll have plenty of money to repay his employer if he returns home or at least live on the run a little more luxuriously.

The lonely man's mind is set. He does not care if he dies, at least his loneliness with end, and he will be famous. And if he lives, he'll be rich and will have redeemed himself in his eyes.

The lonely man sits in the plane, giving orders. He is calm. He accepts his fate. At the end of his flight he steps to the rear of the plane jumps out into oblivion, into anonymity.


If Richard Floyd McCoy, with his vast experience in pressure filled situations, was nervous, sweating bullets, and curt with the aircrew, then what would be the mindset of a man in a similar situation that was calm, didn't perspire and was polite throughout the event? Maybe someone who knew he probably wasn't going to make it and was fine with that.

In August of 2011, the insightful Farflung, queried a similar situation about another "missing person".

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4174301#4174301

Jo.....I understand you spoke with Bill Mitchell and showed him pictures of Duane. What was the outcome of that conversation?

NMIWrecks

That it is. I'm interested in missing persons from that era. Is the missing person your father?

Yes he is my father.

I see you subscribed to my YouTube channel. I also have a video from Unsolved Mysteries that was taped over the 1996 Thanksgiving weekend.

NMIWrecks

Hi all!
This is my first post to this forum. I live in Northern Michigan and do a bit of researching on missing ships and aircraft. A couple years ago I came across an obscure missing person case that caught my eye. On October 29, 1969, Robert Richard (Dick) Lepsy disappeared. He was a married father of four. His car was found at an airport a few days later unlocked, with keys in the ignition and half a pack of cigarettes on the dash. He has not been seen or heard from since.

He was described as about 6 feet tall, about 180 pounds, with black hair and brown eyes. Attached is a photo of Dick Lepsy with his children circa 1963.

Are there any suspects out there that haven't been seen since Cooper's jump?

Oh...is this the book that you wrote?

http://www.amazon.com/Still-Missing-Rethinking-Mysterious-Disappearances-ebook/dp/B00K0UGQ6W

NMIWrecks

Hi all!
This is my first post to this forum. I live in Northern Michigan and do a bit of researching on missing ships and aircraft. A couple years ago I came across an obscure missing person case that caught my eye. On October 29, 1969, Robert Richard (Dick) Lepsy disappeared. He was a married father of four. His car was found at an airport a few days later unlocked, with keys in the ignition and half a pack of cigarettes on the dash. He has not been seen or heard from since.

He was described as about 6 feet tall, about 180 pounds, with black hair and brown eyes. Attached is a photo of Dick Lepsy with his children circa 1963.

Are there any suspects out there that haven't been seen since Cooper's jump?

Yup...This guy, Melvin Luther Wilson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs&list=UUIqXiJ2EOfl_ZaV8DN3V1oQ

skyjack71

Vickie - you never told this on the DZ.

I took the liberty of copying your post....because you need to see the correlation.

When Duane told me he knew your father - he evidently did.

I am not going to reveal the entire posting you made at the other site, but you need to look at this.

I did NOT and had never seen the records you posted on the other place...

Correlate this - and remember the things I told you in the past. You never mentioned the dates your father had been in SAN QUENTIN

To everyone:
Note the dates:
Vickie states:

"A little background.....My father was born in September 8, 1927 in the San Francisco/Oakland area. He joined the Navy. He spent time in California prisons before and during his first marriage. He entered San Quentin prison in 1954 then left his first family upon the end of his sentence. We have no history of his whereabouts from the time he was released from San Quentin until he met my mother in 1963 in Las Vegas Nevada. "

Note from 1962 until 1966 Duane lived as John Collins and we do NOT know all of the areas he lived in...but we do know he went back to California off and on...I have the exwife's story on this. If only you had told all of this before she died in 2004 - she might have been able to have shed some light on this.

I didn't know about you and you didn't know about me.


Vickie Duane Weber and your father were in San Quentin at the same time.

Your father entered San Quentin 1954 and Duane was sent to San Quentin in 1951. Duane was still in San Quentin in 1954 and he was transferred to Folsom in July of 1955. Duane was released from Folsom in March of 1957.

Duane did NOT lie about knowing your father - why did you not tell me this a long time ago.

Maybe you posted it here, but I did not see it.

They both ended up back in the Ms/Ks area. How ironic!

Duane was in Kansas/ Missouri area as John Collins in 1965 working as an insurance agent and in 1966 he ciphered money from the debit collection on his route and that is what he was sent to Jefferson for and remained in Jefferson until 1968.

Why didn't you tell me this?

At least I would have known I was NOT crazy - I kept telling you about Duane noting an article run in Atlanta and Duane told me he knew that man.

The story about the car I already knew and I shared this with you.

What yrs did he have that car he loved so much?

I read on and realized you did not know about Cooper until 2008.
Oh, My God!

1971 he is out on Bail and goes POOF

Your father was in the Navy when was he in the Navy? VERY important - remember Duane was in the Navy also. Right now I cannot even think!

I just could NOT believe the things I was reading, but coming from you I know they are true - even before I ever heard of you I had mention the article about the counterfiet 20's and Duane saying he knew the man....this was around 1981/1983 if I remember correctly - it was in an Atlanta Newspaper. They were running a sequence of articles. I could be wrong on the dates.

I definitely think Mel Wilson is on the RADAR and I think the FBI need to find that man in S. Fla who knew him...and helped him and was responsible for him having some kind of marker on his paupers grave.

I pulled the phone records, but I gave up when I did NOT hear from you. I just know that the Orlando Sentinel pull that small article from a south Fl newpaper and some one told me I needed to read it.

The Sentinel never recontacted me this last time - because I wanted the dates and the name of the man again....I had throw all of that away after I checked it out, but I still have the OLD phone records....

The numbers I got now belong to someone else...but you can BET the FBI can find out who had those numbers before...I will make all of the suspect phone number available to them - I know I called several time and only caught the wife - and then I did have 2 conversation with him.

The FBI has to hear all of this.
They can find that paupers grave.
That man was your dad. If it was after I moved to this house in 2001 I won't have the records because I switched to Unlimited and you do not get an itemized statement then....

We have to find the DATES that article was run and find the article itself. THE FBI is not going to do it.

Duane mentioned that car on the WA trip we made...in 1979, but with no details. I am trying to remember what he said about the car and the man - but I did not connect that conversation to the article in a newpaper in 1981/1983.

God HELP me remember what he said about that car! I am actually praying. I remember something he said and it was not about the car, but I will tell you in regular email...very tired right now and was supposed to have been in bed hours ago.

Now I am crying - ASK GOD to help me remember what Duane said about the red car in 1979. I know he talked about the car while we were living in CO and I always thought it was in the mountains of CO he made the statement - trees and steep cliffs and rocks - it could have been WA or CO. I just wish I had known all of this before my mind got so cluttered.

I believe I posted in Unsolved Mysteries or 101 about the red car - WAY before I came to this thread...I did NOT know the man was your father and NOW I am positive.

There is a grave site in WA Duane pointed out and he knew the man who was buried there - but I didn't find a recent marker in 2010 when I was there - it was pouring down rain all day.

Jo.....

Is this the article from the Orlando Sentinel you were speaking of?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1986-09-16/lifestyle/0250340090_1_grave-cemetery-workers-hawthorne/2

skyjack71

******
. . . . .

EDIT: I don't believe Jerrie Mock was actually part of the Merc 13 program. You might be confusing her for Jerrie COBB. This is the current list according to Wiki:

Myrtle Cagle
Jerrie Cobb
Janet Dietrich
Marion Dietrich
Wally Funk
Sarah Gorelick (later Ratley)
Janey Hart (née Briggs)
Jean Hixson
Rhea Hurrle (later Allison, then Woltman)
Gene Nora Stumbough (later Jessen)
Irene Leverton
Jerri Sloan (née Hamilton, later Truhill)
Bernice Steadman (née Trimble).

Blevins, I think you are right about the names. Jerrie Cobb was probably the maiden name of Jerrie Mock. The surname of the grandchild that announced her death was not Mock.

I'll see if I can correct my reply to Jo Weber's original post about Jerrie Mock.

Robert99


Why this was on the OBITUARY page in Pensacola Fl I do not know.

Jerrie Mock was her name at the time of her death. Her grandson was Chris Flocken. She is labeled as a HISTORIC AVIATOR. She died in Quincy, Fl.

AS USUAL, Robt 99 you are the first to speak and you were wrong.
The obituary mentions nothing about a space program or testing for such.

There is a picture taken April 16, 1964 as she departed from the Oakland Airport in CA.

Duane had family connections in Oakland! Probably just a co-incidence and Duane told me back in the 80's when she was featured in another article that he knew her.

It meant zero then and it means zero now - just a fact of life, but watch you Robt99 try to make something out of it.

Article about Jerrie Mock:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/jerrie-mock-first-female-pilot-to-fly-solo-around-the-world-dies-at-88/2014/10/01/2b33543a-4984-11e4-a046-120a8a855cca_story.html

and her obituary:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newarkadvocate/obituary.aspx?n=geraldine-lois-mock-jerrie&pid=172670763

I hope this stops the confusion.

RobertMBlevins

***Smile - I LOVE it
Confirmation Bias!

You go Gal! Good post!

All well and good to quote cutesy psychobabble from the internet or a Google link. Quite another to do a hard investigation, keep records and notes, etc on a suspect. This psychobabble, i.e. trying to write off everything known on KC and Bernie Geestman with a flippant posting like that reminds of a scene from the film E.T. - The Extra-Terrestrial:

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Greg: Can't he just beam up?

Elliot: This is reality, Greg.

Reality is hitting the bricks and working...not looking to the internet for generalized answers that really answer nothing.

Unfortunately, the cutesy psychobabble was from a peer reviewed research study. It was obtained from the library through Metropolitan State College.

Do you think these terms we are using are pulled out of our ass? No....they were learned from taking four years of Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice classes with an emphasis on psychology and victim rights. If I would have linked a YouTube video of an old song would you get it?

RobertMBlevins

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'You may not see it, but we see the bias. Your biases displayed in this forum are apparent...'

I have said one thing from the start of the investigation into Kenny. Some people laughed it off, and that's fine, but I still believe it is true: That if Christiansen was Cooper, you aren't going to discover the truth on that strictly through documents, pictures, a house sale, or even a suspicious cash loan. You will find out by the testimony of witnesses, testimony that can be verified enough to interest the FBI in actually checking him out.

My intention with Mr Kenny and Mr Bernie is pretty damn simple. It is NOT to somehow twist facts to 'prove' they were involved in the Cooper hijacking. It is to discover the truth on whether they were or not. It's a real easy concept. This is why I finally decided to cooperate with the Geestman family, because it's a big family and I think the truth will eventually come out. It's pretty hard to keep such a big secret forever in families. Members of Geestman's extended family told me in their first interview that they had no clue Bernie was even suspected of being involved until they saw him on History Channel. He didn't even bother to tell them he was going to be on TV.

After that happened, they started surreptitiously following everything Kenny-related. The book, reruns of the show, articles, even Dropzone posts. (Some of them admitted they lurk here, but will never post, so they are seeing this now) Then they got hold of me by phone. We talked a few times, then I did my first interview with them.

At that time, I provided them with the newest, and most accurate report on all witness testimony and the available evidence. It is much more detailed, and frankly...much more accurate than the original. We spent a couple of hours at the restaurant going over it page by page, and then I let them take copies home. I told them this: "Either those two are guilty as hell, or its the biggest set of coincidences in history..."

So....If you had a chance to talk to Tina M (yes, that one) or Bill Mitchell (if you could find him) would you do the following?

Here is the scenario that comes to mind when I read your post above (edited).

Contact Tina.....or Bill, by phone, letter or email.....
Introduce yourself as an investigator into the Cooper hi-jacking as you believe Kenny is the guy.

Send a packet with all the information about KC. Why you think he did it and let them study it until they are ready to take a look at the photographs you want to show them. From you previous posts on DZ this is the procedure you used when contacting Bill Mitchell (the wrong one) in Eugene, OR.

You set up a meeting, an interview as you call it. Tell them how mean everyone at Dropzone is. That all you seek is the truth. Why can't anyone give you a break.....At this meeting you intend to show them the photos, but as you do it you regurgitate your 25 reasons why you and Skipp believe KC is the guy.

Then show the first photograph. As you do, you say, "and this photograph was shown in Decoded and it matches the sketch with a high percentage. Watch what happens when I put the composite on plastic and put it over Kenny's picture? See.....it has to be him. The FBI is so cracked that they can't see this! "

Then...do or die time. You plop all the photos out in front of the witnesses. You categorize each photo and tell the story of each scene. This is Kenny when......yada yada yada...You conveniently forget to tell them his height because you do not want Kenny ruled out on something so trivial. Then Tina...(or Bill), take a look at the photograph and say....Well, he does resemble the sketch. Maybe?"

BAM.....It has to be Kenny because the witnesses did not say NO!

Giving a interviewed person information about specifics surrounding the event that was not previously known, similar to the scenario above, is a type of Confirmation Bias used in interviewing.

The quote blow, as taken from the research study of:
Skill in Interviewing Reduces Confirmation Bias
MARTINE B. POWELL*, CAROLYN H. HUGHES-SCHOLES and STEFANIE J. SHARMAN
School of Psychology, Deakin University, 221 Burwood Highway, Burwood, Victoria, Australia

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Confirmation bias refers to ‘the seeking or interpreting of evidence in ways that are partial
to existing beliefs, expectations, or a hypothesis in hand’ (Nickerson, 1998, p. 175). Such
bias encourages people to focus on information that they are searching for to support their
beliefs and to ignore the information that does not support those beliefs (Ask & Granhag,
2005). In the context of investigative interviewing, confirmation bias is observed when
interviewers ask questions that include or presume details that were not already mentioned
by the interviewee (Ceci & Bruck, 1995). As a result of such questions, the risk of false
witness testimony is heightened (Powell, Garry & Brewer, 2009).

In addition.....Geestman's extended family are not "witnesses"......however, Tina M and Bill Mitchell are. There is a huge difference.

RobertMBlevins

******
Some of the nicest people you've ever heard of have done the most infamous crimes imaginable. Being known as a nice guy doesn't auto-delete you from trying to pull off a crime for money. That's probably one of the reasons why the FBI has found it impossible to identify Cooper. It's unlikely he had a criminal record, and for some reason he never fell under enough suspicion by the right people to be identified. I would describe Cooper as a Joe Ordinary kind of guy who liked bourbon and soda, Raleigh cigarettes, knew a certain amount about flight controls and their effect on a passenger jet, was familiar with how NWA did their business, knew someone who worked in the 727 program, or someone who jumped or dropped cargo from 727's in Vietnam. And most importantly...knew how to use a parachute. Those are eight parameters.

Kenny Christiansen fits SEVEN of them. Just saying.

Confirmation bias, also called myside bias, is the tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses.

You are right about that. This is why I prefer taking witness testimony (in a non-threatening manner) with notes and recordings, gathering what documentary or photographic evidence you can that relates to a suspect, researching histories, etc. Follow-up interviews are always good, too. It's a bit like a job search. Always ask the interviewee if they have any thoughts on who you should speak to next.

Beats confirmation bias anytime. It is not my fault that some of the people who knew Christiansen best volunteered the things they did in interviews, or that they accused each other of being involved in the hijacking. I simply recorded their answers and tried to verify whether they were telling the truth. The only one who really lied to me in all of this was Bernie Geestman. He lied to everyone he was in contact with regarding his possible involvement in the hijacking. And then...since he was unaware that several witnesses had already placed him with Christiansen the entire week of the hijacking...he tossed Christiansen under the bus on television when they started pressuring him. What would you think?

Sometimes I just tell people this: You had to be there. Look, the bottom line here is that sooner or later the truth is going to come out on the whole thing. Either these two did it, or they didn't. There's no middle ground.
I have no idea which way it will go, but one of Geestman's family members told me recently:

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'We'd rather wait until he (Bernie Geestman) is gone before saying anything...'

I'm busy trying to convince them otherwise, of course. I have another interview coming up soon.

And then we have:

Confirmation bias

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In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.

Confirmation bias is a type of cognitive bias and represents an error of inductive inference toward confirmation of the hypothesis under study.

Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.

As such, it can be thought of as a form of selection bias in collecting evidence. http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/c/confirmation_bias.htm

You may not see it, but we see the bias. Your biases displayed in this forum are apparent.

BruceSmith

***I think you left dropzone because you don't like me anymore why didn't you tell me you were leaving because of this I'm gonna jump off the Tacoma narrows bridge

Okay. That does it. Dannie Ten-Ten, if you're a real kid named Andy, I'm stepping into your life. I take suicidal threats seriously. Hence, I'm going to contact Atlanta CPS, your school and family.

To everyone else, I'll keep you posted as to wtf is happening here.

I sent you a PM with a link to his mother's Facebook.

BruceSmith

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3. Inherent difficulty in spotting a Cooper twenty.

Despite your claim in your post, it is my understanding that the list of numbers are not sequential. My list certainly is not, and it comes from the back of Tosaw's book.

Also, you may be interested in knowing that despite published accounts to the contrary, the money was already catalogued, stacked, packed and waiting for the feds long before the skyjacking. In fact, the FBI had been anticipating this crime, or any similar extortion/hostage scenario, long before Cooper. This information was one of the Big Surprises to be revealed on the DZ back in 2008 by Larry Carr.

It seems that the feds knew they could be stuck strategically if criminals conducted their crimes on weekends, took hostages, and kept them until the banks opened on a Monday morning. Hence, they stockpiled money in FBI field offices around the country, ready for the next ransom demand. .

Using my super-duper investigation skills ( a few keywords in Google), I found the following court case between NWA and the Insurance company.

Northwest Airlines, Inc. v. Globe Indem. Co.
225 N.W.2d 831 (1975)

NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC., Respondent, v. GLOBE INDEMNITY COMPANY, Appellant.

http://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1975/44904-1.html

***Plaintiff's Seattle ground personnel were notified of the hijacking and, further, received *833 home office authorization to procure the money and parachutes demanded by Cooper. In order to obtain the $200,000 in cash, arrangements were made with Seattle First National Bank, through its airport branch. The money was taken from the vault of the bank's downtown facility, and transported to the airport by bank personnel and the Seattle police. The release of cash funds after normal banking hours resulted in a debit to plaintiff's account which was repaid by a transfer credit on the next banking day.

Interesting information......and is contrary to what Carr led us to believe. Personally, I did not think that large amounts of cash would be stored in the FBI offices around the country.

mrshutter45

Robert, I called him out on it. he never came through. I'm not removing anything. you don't like it? tough. the record shows he never came through. you on the other hand have never shown anything either. stop the whining with the broken record.

once again this has nothing to do with DB Cooper, or this forum. you constantly break the rules here. does anyone do anything about that? Quade gave me a bunch of crap for calling Knoss a liar. it seems it's ok for
you to call people "phonies and liars" ? I remember putting a link up about Hoffa and all hell broke loose about drifting off topic. you dump your gossip here and nobody says a word? how do you say it, double standard?

How many times have you said you were leaving here? how many times did you state after August 9th I'm out of the Cooper biz for good. how many times have you said you were not going to bring up my forum, or you deleted the short cut? you flip flop through everything. who is the phony again?

None of this belongs on this forum. you are the one constantly bringing this up. you provoke people into responding. I'm not going to respond to you anymore. it's not productive to this forum. these people hear
enough with your constant gossip line you run here without any moderation. I'm sure plenty of things should
have been removed from here, but nobody does it here either. stay on topic about DB Cooper!

I haven't trusted you in over a year. does anyone care? I doubt it, but then again I don't constantly bring it up like you do.

STAY ON TOPIC OF DB COOPER.....

Obviously...you can still see RMB.

I am on my work computer and I still cannot see any of his posts. I have not seen them since 377 responded about the deleted post. I saw it "deleted" as well. Now it is just gone.

skyjack71

There was a man from Central Florida who contacted the media about his friend who had died and he claimed the man was Cooper - I will really have to dig for all of that information and maybe Sluggo remembers the claim out of Central FL This was AFTER I went public. I can't remember the name use by this man - but if my mind remembers - the name Wilson or Melvin was either the person who was supposed to be Cooper or the friend. There were never any pictures of this available to my knowledge. What IF!

Seems like the person who contact the media was a Minister.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20011122&slug=cooper22m

Is this the story you remember? It was the same time frame that you went public. However, the story was out of San Diego.

RPG83

Hello everyone! A new Cooper fan reports for duty.

I have no idea if these things have already been covered but here are my points:

1. If Cooper was a professional skydiver, why didn't he bring his own rig on board? I guess airlines were not too strict about hand luggage back in the 1970s.

2. Would it be possible to drive the DNA samples obtained from the tie through the databases searching for a partial match, i.e. child or brother? The way they did in Grim sleeper case: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/familys-dna-led-police-grim-sleeper-serial-killer/story?id=11116381

Clicky

and....

I wonder if the FBI lab at Quantico have considered taking the DNA sample from the tie and randomly run it though CODIS or the Missing Person DNA familial database. I do know that when an officer from the DOJ approached SA Curtis Eng it is given to Ayn Dietrich the Seattle FBI PIO and she sends out a pre-written "Thank you for your interest, but we will call you" email.

Gee...here is another one. Has anyone heard of this new suspect, Duane Dick Jarman? I like this following passage in the article.

Walsh is currently accepting interviews with the press and can be contacted at dbcooperfinalsuspect(at)gmail(dot)com


and

Additionally, Walsh has personal documents of Jarman's that could potentially be analyzed for fingerprints and matched to the hijacker. The F.B.I. and other law enforcement agencies will likely have a mug shot of Jarman on file that can be shown to one of the flight attendants who saw Cooper to get a positive facial identification as well.


An interview with the FBI? ....Good luck with that! (personal experience).

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/pr/2102123#ixzz39dsjNJx6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U4Ha9HQvMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTXz_4u-4mc

EVickiW

Then we have been told that there were three individual DNA profiles that were extracted from the tie. I do not have a source, but remember reading, or being told that in the past. There are still unanswered questions that we may never know about the tie.

1) Was it Cooper's tie?
or
2) The tie was Coopers, but it was purchased from a thrift store shortly before the hijacking?
or
3) It was Coopers and he was a person who worked in an industry where these metals were abundant?

[Quote "Robert99"] I would like to comment on Vicki's last two questions.

Back in the hijacking time frame, those clip on ties could be purchased even in drug stores for only a buck or two. I think someone has indicated that this particular tie was a more upscale one that was sold by Penney's.

The fact that it was a clip on tie does not necessarily mean that Cooper worked in a machine shop. In my opinion, a clip on tie (or no tie at all) in a machine shop would be a good idea from a safety standpoint. Nevertheless, for ever clip on tie you show Tom Kaye, he can show you pictures of machinists wearing fully knotted ties.

The uranium is probably the best clue of all about where Cooper worked. The tie would be supporting evidence if it turns out he did work in a machine shop that had a safety rule requiring clip on ties.

Robert99

These types of "clip-on" ties were also worn by service personnel, such as; bartenders and servers in the mid to upscale restaurants. They were also worn by law enforcement.

The two images attached were found when I searched using the keywords "1960's police uniform" and "1960 bartender uniform".

377

From Citizen Sleuths site:

Quote

Conclusions
Titanium was a rare metal in 1971 and this makes it extremely unlikely it is a post-event contamination. Its presence constrains Cooper to a limited number of managers or engineers in the titanium field that would wear ties to work. This is also consistent with his mannerisms during the hijacking where the flight attendants described him as an "executive" [6]. The fact that he was also comfortable enough to pull off the hijacking wearing a suit suggests that it was a regular part of his wardrobe, again consistent with a manager or engineer type. Given pure titanium with embedded stainless steel, spiral chips made from aluminum and other exotic metals, gives a "best fit" indication that Cooper came from or regularly visited a metal fabrication facility. These types of materials are known specifically for their corrosion resistance and commonly used in highly corrosive environments, such as chemical factories. A suspect having worked in a machine shop or a company that used pure titanium in a corrosive processes would be a good match to the family of particles found on Cooper's tie.

(emphasis added).

I've been looking for industries that used stainless steel and titanium together. This led me to AQUEOUS HOMOGENEOUS REACTORS, devices which can use ORDINARY URANIUM ORE (not enriched isotopes) to produce power.

***A heavy water aqueous homogeneous reactor can achieve criticality (turn on) with natural uranium dissolved as uranium sulfate.[citation needed] Thus, no enriched uranium is needed for this reactor.

from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqueous_homogeneous_reactor

Quote

In order to extend the in-pile loop testing to fuel solution which were of of interest but were potentially highly corrosive to type 347 stainless steel under reactor radiation, a titanium core section was incorporated in one loop and another was constructed entirely of titanium.

Above quote from from: http://web.ornl.gov/info/reports/1960/3445603615210.pdf

No proof that Cooper worked in nuke power or research but you do find the tie materials there.

Now back to our main focus, Blevins bashing and personal bickering.

377

Then we have been told that there were three individual DNA profiles that were extracted from the tie. I do not have a source, but remember reading, or being told that in the past. There are still unanswered questions that we may never know about the tie.

1) Was it Cooper's tie?
or
2) The tie was Coopers, but it was purchased from a thrift store shortly before the hijacking?
or
3) It was Coopers and he was a person who worked in an industry where these metals were abundant?