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    I have no idea what you are asking because it does not appear that jumper was wearing a camera or was in any way aiming towards a coach course.



    Long-standing issue.
    He was one jump from being eligible for the Coach Course and working with students, but 101 jumps away from being able to jump a camera.



    Big difference between being eligible to take the course (by having 100 jumps) and being able to pass the course and get the rating.



    Not really!
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_leading_cause_of_death_when_skydiving


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    Answer:
    There's two. The main one is if the parachute doesn't come out. And the other cause is if you have a heart attack on your way down.



    Utter bullshit.
    The real reason is violent video games and moose hunting.


    Nope I disagree.

    I think the leading cause of death in skydiving is trying to get cool video[:/]

    The leading cause of video in skydiving is trying to get cool death!
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    Awesome!

    The formation flying reminded me of Space Invaders :D


    Give me a shotgun and it will be just like Space Invaders!
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    I am even opposed to teaching "Religions of the World" up to the 12th grade. Religion should be the parent's job until graduating from high school.



    That's the problem.



    no it's not - raising their children is the responsibility of the parents. This can only be trumped in the case of abuse. And equating the indoctrination of a personal moral and belief system is NOT abuse.

    just because you disagree with the philosophy, doesn't mean you can superseded the parent's wishes in something of this nature - that is so arrogant and intolerant as to be just ridiculous.

    I'm very anti-organized religion. But in no way would I ever advocate taking my neighbors kids and forcing them to a belief in violation of their parent's wishes.


    If you only read the first three words of my post then don't complain to me when you don't agree with what you didn't read.
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    I think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps?


    Holy crap! Somebody gets it!
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    I am even opposed to teaching "Religions of the World" up to the 12th grade. Religion should be the parent's job until graduating from high school.


    That's the problem. Religions, and religious parents, only teach one religion and then advocate discounting anything that doesn't agree with it.

    It's when religion is taught in plurality that the contradictions, and similarities, between religions undermine their credibility. The greatest threat to religion isn't science - it's philosophy.
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    Wrong context. Get your apples and oranges sorted and and try again.


    I would, but you're the one trying to sort the Valencia Oranges from the Navel Oranges.
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    BTW, what is it, socialism, communism, or "crony capitalism" that Obama supports?



    The common thread is that all of them have a top down approach. So take your pick.


    Okay, so what was "Trickle-down Economics" then?
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    The incident at Hollister last year was not a fatality, and didn't have anything to do with the camera.



    Really? Last I checked 2011 was last year, and this was a fatality.

    http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4136506

    Pay particular attention to post 137.



    Alright, you got me there. All I remembered was the broken legs and facial trauma. I still stand by the point that it wasn't the camera that caused the accident.
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    "I'm fully aware of the history surrounding Sangi, and if you're somehow under the delusion that rapidly downsizing and swooping as Sangi did compares to wearing a camera then it just goes to show how irrational your argument is. There's no comparison between the two."

    You're fully aware that Sangi didn't listen to a mountain of good advice until it was too late. Yet, you're still here talking smack w/the same thick skull & 'tude? I call Bullshit. You're either the Troll you've been accused of being in earlier threads. Or, you really are that stupid. Either way, you're not worth wasting one more minute on. Where do you jump, in Utah? Good, I'm nowhere near you. Go ahead & kill yourself. DO NOT take anyone else w/you.



    In case you haven't noticed, and you haven't, I'm the one arguing on behalf of the BSR as written. What I'm arguing against is the mob rule where jumpers have taken a "recommendation" in the BSR and turned it into an absolute restriction to arrogantly harass and ridicule newer jumpers who aren't actually doing anything wrong.
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    I'm fully aware of the history surrounding Sangi, and if you're somehow under the delusion that rapidly downsizing and swooping as Sangi did compares to wearing a camera then it just goes to show how irrational your argument is. There's no comparison between the two.



    [:/] Well then... I guess this attachment is for you. Do you have a Dauber?


    Oh the irony! Your Bounce Bingo card has crashed!
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    Holy Sangi-Sh*t...[:/] I may be naive, but it's amazing to me that someone could be so foolish. W/all the information that's readily available on this site. How can you possibly be so dense???

    Think you're ten feet tall & bullet proof? Think all the old hands are just overly conservative Wimps? I strongly urge you to test your superiority by reaching out to this guy: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=Sangi; He has plenty of time to answer your PMs. Almost four months after hammering in, he still can't walk or even feel his legs. We remain hopeful that one day he will walk again. If you don't reach out to him, & have an honest exchange of ideas? You're an absolute idiot, & already crippled or dead. Please at least have the decency to only kill yourself when you pound in.

    Edit to add: Why not? I'll even make it easier for you. Read this thread from beginning to end: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=4192725;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; Sound familiar???



    I'm fully aware of the history surrounding Sangi, and if you're somehow under the delusion that rapidly downsizing and swooping as Sangi did compares to wearing a camera then it just goes to show how irrational your argument is. There's no comparison between the two.
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    it's interesting how the need for showing off can suppress the need for survival...

    I don't know what kind of "research" have you been doing, but only few months ago at Hollister a woman was killed by the cam. Of course you'll say it was not a cam it was a low turn... The fact was she got a cam on her head and less than 200 formation jumps.

    If everything goes fine you can even mount a Santa on your helmet and jump with it. But when the s* hits the fan and you have to ACT on it - you'll face a deadly situation you've never been dreamed of... there you'll go with your Santa and your FB-friends eager to see your cool video.



    The incident at Hollister last year was not a fatality, and didn't have anything to do with the camera.

    The fatality was a different jumper three years ago, also didn't have anything to do with a camera.
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    I've done the research, and there is not one verifiable incident that justifies an arbitrary banning of small format cameras by jumpers with less than a C-license.

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    So I take it you are rethinking your prior statement?



    No! Do you think this incident should cause a ban on pulling the slider down the risers?




    :D:D You just keep thinkin' Butch...that's what you're good at. ;)


    Okay, does this one verifiable incident justify banning C-License holders from using cameras?

    Does it justify requiring camera flyers to use an RSL?

    Don't worry, just leave the thinking to me.
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    I've done the research, and there is not one verifiable incident that justifies an arbitrary banning of small format cameras by jumpers with less than a C-license.

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    So I take it you are rethinking your prior statement?



    No! Do you think this incident should cause a ban on pulling the slider down the risers?
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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    Well, I'm interested to read the report since no one around here has heard of it.



    The report is in swedish, so it is understandably that it didn't get much attention here. The report is available from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50053191/Rapport%20dnr0919%20kompr%20format.pdf but it is in Swedish so you'll have to translate it yourself.
    The jumper had 362 jumps.



    Wow, that was an impressive skydiving accident report. A great argument for the benefit of digital and audible altimeters, besides the data from the CYPRES, the jumper also had an N3 and a ProTrack.

    The "theory" presented in the report, because they admit they can't confirm exactly what happened, is that the jumper pulled the slider down behind his head and then did a steep spiraling descent before aggressively leveling off out of the turn. It is believed that the aggressive maneuver caused the risers to twist spinning the jumper's face into the slider causing the GoPro to catch on the slider probably disorienting the jumper and blocking his vision. He managed to cut-away (1,150 ft) which also pulled the GoPro mount off his Bonehead Optik. The mount was held on by two screws, one of the screws was pulled out of the helmet and the mounting plate broke apart from the other screw.

    The jumper apparently tumbled out of control and couldn't pull/find his soft reserve handle. The CYPRES fired (635 ft) while the jumper was on his back which likely delayed the opening of the reserve. The jumper hit the ground upright under an opening canopy at about a 4000 fpm impact speed. The jumper is believed to have been conscious at impact because he had put his hands up on the reserve risers. The jumper died at the hospital of blunt force trauma from the impact.

    The jumper had gotten his A-License in June of 2009 and had 362 jumps at the time of the accident. In 2010 he did the majority of his jumps on a Spectre 170 before downsizing to a Lotus 135 at 188 jumps. He did 14 jumps on the Lotus and ended 2010 with 202 jumps total.

    He then purchased a new Mirage G4 with a Sabre2 135, an Optimum 143, an RSL, and a CYPRES Expert. From February, 2011 to the accident in July, 2011, he did 160 jumps with this rig. He earned his C-License in March, 2011.

    The jumper's 232nd jump was his first with the GoPro and it's believed that the majority of his jumps since then (130) were done with it.

    The G4 was equipped with an RSL but it was not connected per SFF guidelines for jumping with a camera. Ironically, the RSL likely would have saved his life in this instance.

    The report also focuses on the soft reserve handle, due to the disorientation the jumper experienced he may not have been able to locate it.


    I apologize if any of this is in error. I only just today learned Swedish.


    This jumper effectively did everything correctly and met all the appropriate "recommendations" for camera jumping.

    Obviously there's still a lot here to learn from:

    Should sliders be brought down behind jumpers heads if they're wearing a camera?

    Does the disconnected RSL/Skyhook recommendation for camera jumpers need to be reviewed?

    Would a D-Ring reserve handle have helped the jumper manually deploy his reserve?
    It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.