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Also, backflying is backflying. If you already know how to do it without the suit, then you'll be fine. It's not that much different, it just adds some challenge to it.

Jarno, you are my new hero.

I also use my wings for every discipline, including video, and I have all the wingsuit mods (dynamic corners, longer bridle, "anti-line twist bag, and bigger PC) and have had no ill effects. Spectre 170, BTW.

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thank god they don't, or this forum would be over loaded with whiney bitchy remarks

You must be reading a different forum than me...

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If it's an "unapproved parachute system", then the FAR is pretty clear that the Canadian rules apply,

He has a Vector, and PD canopies. Those are approved (TSO'd) components, so US rules apply. He needs a repack to jump that system.

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I've come to the conclusion look for second hand, which I feel like I'm now in a better position to do.
Oh and enter every competition to win free stuff

Yeah, used gear is the way to go for your first few hundred jumps. Hold off on buying a new, custom, rig until both your landing ability has become more consistent, and you have a canopy you want to stick with for a while.

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But does it do 20 mph if you pick appart a few seems..thats the real question!

File under "7:1 glide ratio..."

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To be honest I have to worry about my canopy choice and try to make an informed decision based upon my experience level. I'm sure you would agree that after twelve jumps I'm not going to be great at canopy piloting so canopy size, at my experience level, is in fact crucial?

You need to put yourself under an appropriate canopy, no doubt, and a 1:1 WL is usually a good place to start, but that's all it is, a start. Once you choose your canopy, then the real work of becoming a pilot begins.

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I also think your splitting hairs when you say there is no safe limit - well no, but there's certainly safer limits, and it would be irresponsible not to try and reduce as much danger as possible.
It's important to me to try and build up as much knowledge as possible as this in turn will help me to become a safer (better) skydiver, not just for me but for all those around me.

I think you're overestimating the amount of extra safety that you'll get from loading a canopy lighter and lighter. You can injure or kill yourself under a canopy at .8 just as well as at 1.0. Also, please don't let the current fixation on wingloading dominate your thinking. Wingloading is just one variable in a much more complex equation, and the belief some people seem to have that if you're within the recommended WL guidelines, you're safe, is simply false. Wing loading is a very easy thing to get caught up in, because it is easy to determine, easy to harp on, doesn't require any extra effort from more experienced jumpers, makes sense on initial inspection, and is, in reality, part of the problem. However, fixation on WL is obscuring our view of the larger problem of inadequate training and not enough focus on canopy control.

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presuming the usual safe limit is 1.0:1 or less. for novices.

There is no safe limit. The risk never goes to zero, no matter how big your canopy is. The pilot is what is 'safe' or 'dangerous', smaller canopies just expose your piloting deficiencies more readily, and make the consequences for mistakes worse.

Stop worrying about your canopy choice and start worrying about your canopy piloting.

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Well - it really depends on what you want out of the canopy. This thing will come "swoop ready" standard, with 300 HMA lines etc.
So - if you are planning on freefall, I would say stick with the standard Velocity, it might fit your all-around needs better.

I need a canopy for working/video, freefall/freefly/etc, and team training, so I guess the classic version will be for me. Thanks Kolla.

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It is now in final phases of testing and we expect to be ready to introduce it to qualified pilots before too long :)

I've got a velo 103 and I'm planning on buying a 96 before too long. Should I wait for this new thing, or just go with the old Velocity?

Wow, you beat Josh to posting this. Also, what are the dates? Oct 26th - 28th, I'm guessing? And what canopy is being given away?

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If there's only that many in the US then I'm pretty sure that the Desert Sands otters are used to fly tourist to Monument Valley Utah. I ws there for school business a few years ago and saw three of them parked on the dirt strip out there, and was sick at the waste of capacity.

-Blind

At least 3 of those a/c, BA, MF, and SF, have been jump aircraft at skydive spaceland within the last couple years. BA was at skyfest being jumped under a month ago. I don't recall ever seeing 70551, though.

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a) yes, same as Cobalt as the size is determined by measuring the intrados instead of the extrados as the other manufacturers do;

A pre Atair-split Cobalt 120 is exactly the same size as a Stiletto 120. Not sure if either company has changed measuring schemes since the split.

I'd be leary about going underneath as well. If you do that, be careful. If you kill yourself, every wingsuiter in the country is going to take shit every time they put on a suit, so please, think of us Also, make sure you get a foot bracket that holds the smoke off your leg. I've burned holes in a V1 with smoke directly attached to my foot. With a stand off bracket, I've never had a problem.

Also, keep in mind that one minute smoke will be out early if you do a jump from full alt, while 2 minute smoke actually last more like 4 minutes, so you have to watch it under canopy and especially after landing.

Make sure you do a practice run. Best to do a jump without the smoke, just practicing the buzz, then do a smoke jump without the buzz, then put the 2 together, then do the actual jump.

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I was gonna say the same thing. On my one cutaway where I had an RSL, the shackle actually came undone somehow during the mal, and the RSL landed with me and my container (still on the velcro), rather than with the main canopy as it should have.

I have a camera suit with small stainless RSL shackles attaching the wings, and one of them comes undone at the end of almost every jump, as soon as I go to my back to film the deployment. Sometimes it hits me in the face, too. And I hate that.

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No offense to the original poster, but I find it hard to believe the Prodigy snap/strap could come undone when routed properly.

I've had it happen to me, too. My theory is, high enough speed and weight can cause the male part of the snap to rotate backward and release.

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I'm 6'0, 130lbs with long legs.

Go fuck yourself.

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ass up, knees bent, slight de-arch, arms slightly cupped.

Mainly I want to know how other poeple are flying theirs.

OK, I know exactly what you are saying, because I feel the same thing in mine. I find that arm position is really important in the V2. With the V1, I just pulled out on the arms and that was that. With the 2, I try to let there be some spanwise arch in the trailing edge of the arm wing. This seems to relieve armwing pressure a little and increase the lift I get off the top half of the suit, which allows me to get my legs out more. The 2 seems like a it demands a more precise body position than the V1, but rewards with more performance.

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I care about how people are flying their V2s and similar (V1 and protos)

The V1 and V2 are really different suits. Don't try to fly the V2 like it's a V1.

We have 4 regular wingsuiters, all though 3 of us spend a lot of time working, we'd be more than happy to bust a birdy with you. Look up Voodew, I'm sure you remember him.

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Overkill for what? Some flocks float but don't go anywhere they can be hard to hang back with and stay up. Its worse if you have big drag from loaded camera helmets. Do these type of suits fill that gap?

Yeah, that sort of thing is a good use for this type of suit, especially if you're heavier than the base. The big flocks we were flying in FL, though, were medium forward and fast down, and a suit with a lot of wing was mostly just annoying. I much prefer my Acro in that situation. However, if you're a big boy and can only have one suit, then something big and floaty is probably the only thing that's going to give you range in every flock you could possibly end up in.

Second, get a base who knows what he's doing, or have your inexperienced base pick up the pace, if you're having trouble going back and up.

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I put quite a few jumps on the prototype.

Yeah you did. I only got 2 jumps on it, myself, but I can tell you one thing for sure: This suit is difficult to get away from Ed. I also put 2 jumps on an M1, and maybe I'm biased or just not familiar enough with Tony suits, but I liked the Ghost better. It had more drive at break off, with the same float. That said, unless you're the fat kid in your group, either of these body bags is over kill.

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What rig does the guy in the V2 have?

Looks like a Wings.

It also looks like it's packed with the PC under the sideflaps, although it is hard to see because it's all red and the pic isn't very zoomable.

Maybe a Paratec Next?

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Yours Ted
Back to back views I believe from you... directly following Jen's incident is the "Perry fly-by." Egad

I demand royalties for these highly valuable footages!!!

Fuck I hope you put something in there of us not being douche bags.

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was it not your camera I was looking at???

You were geeking me. There's two video angles of that sweet move, too, one from me and one from Voodew or somebody. Not sure which one is on the DVD.

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Jen, way to eat that wingsuit.....looked like you were gonna toss his salad

Is this the jump from Skyfest a while ago, the collison with Bob? That was a riot.

I've never had an unzipped suit effect me, but I definitely feel a difference when flying a Prodigy. Having the leg wing open will make your recovery arc longer for sure.

That said, if you're turning so low and so hard that the extra drag from a wingsuit caused you to pound in, you need to start higher, turn slower and recover much smoother. You're leaving yourself no room for error with your current turn.