Bob_Church

And I agree with the poster who said that every state going with proportional electoral votes would make more sense. That is, if 60% voted Trump and 40% Clinton then that's how the EVs would be allocated. I've never heard the reason so many states choose not to. I suspect it has something to do with a fear of diluting their influence, but that's just a guess.

quade

***One of the reasons we need the Electoral College is that we have no real way of knowing what the popular vote was.

While I appreciate your take on it, the reason has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact the numbers are too large or difficult to add properly.

The reason is that if we accept a popular vote we have to assume that 50 states and Washington DC have not screwed up their count through ineptitude or dishonesty. It's not a matter of high numbers, but where those numbers come from.

rushmc

There's nothing to understand from your point of view. We are not a democracy! We are a republic. Big difference. One person one vote doesn't count the way you would like it to in this case. Trump won get over it.

One of the reasons we need the Electoral College is that we have no real way of knowing what the popular vote was. People can put numbers to it all they want but the truth is that what we have are numbers from 50 states plus DC based on what thousands of precincts have told them. The election for POTUS isn't nationalized, the states do the counting.
And I really hate the idea of hearing four more years of people spouting Not My President like we've heard for the last 16. It makes us sound like some third world shithole. My policy is to give a new president the first two years no matter who they are. I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. I even did it with Obama, so I really do mean anyone.

brenthutch

Sorry my bad, I clicked on a link with a Minnesota elector being replaced because he voted for Bernie. Sorry for my confusion.

Speaking of mistakes, yours is nothing compared to the people who paid all that money for a Wisconsin recount. It gave Trump another 160 votes.

brenthutch

That was a Democratic elector Bill. It is understandable that she looked as if she was about to throw up, she was being compelled to vote for HRC.

Trump lost two electors but Clinton five. Martin Sheen will have to get especially drunk tonight.
(he came down here to protest a waste disposal facility being built "too close to a school" so that waste products could be disposed of instead of dumped in the river. They showed a clip of him with a three day stubble and, I'm not kidding, so drunk that the protestors had to stand on either side of him and hold him up)

If people want to do away with the death penalty then they should put their time and energy into pressuring the government to keep their end of the agreement when someone is sentenced to life in prison.

Wendy P. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. The problem is that I end up spending a lot of time in places that run CNN in the background and their race baiting on this has been shameless.

councilman24

when people use K when they mean 1000 and not 1024?

And I'm really not that much of a nerd.

Did you accidentally type that backwards? I was working on computers when they started becoming popular and I remember the occasional article in magazines like Byte apologizing for using k incorrectly when referring to computer memory.

Speaking of Subarus, we have two, one red and one green so it's always Christmas in our garage. When I moved to Athens Ohio in 1975 there was an auto shop named Subtle Bug. It was a couple of young hippies and they only worked on VWs. It's still here but now it's one old hippy and he only works on Subarus. But it's still named The Subtle Bug.

We were blown away with what he did, but I wonder how much more amazed we'd have been with a modern quality video of what he was seeing rather than that fuzzy image we had then.

"The funny thing is Reusable and Reliable are very closely related. I do not know if it is still available, but there was a hot wire AAD for a while. I believe it was a one-time use kind of thing. The problem is the nature of the application and the volume of production. Another aspect to consider is the legal defense aspect, which is also part of this application. "

Thanks for the info.

One last thing. They had decided what Virginia wanted. They didn't declare that, they declared Hillary Clinton as the next candidate while other people, including Sanders were sitting there. They had the arrogance and presumption to assume that the other 49 states and DC would go the same way.
Or maybe it wasn't arrogance and presumption. That's the real question, how early did the DNC already *KNOW* who there were going to give the candidacy to without any regard to what the rank and file wanted?

"It would be nice if you gave some indication that you had read or understood a word I just said. They had already held the primary and they already knew what the voters wanted, because they'd aleady voted. "

You just don't get it. I give up.

How much of the cost of making an AAD goes into making it reusable? I think I'd skip that part. If it fires it saved your life and you have some hard decisions to make, but if you do stick with the sport afterwards it seems like paying full price for another would still be a bargain.

jakee

***A friend of mine who is very active in Virginia politics and a serious Hillary Clinton supporter even had trouble with it. Here's what he said about one event he attended. This is when the DNC was supposed to be seeing who their rank and file, the voters, wanted to represent them in the 2016 election.


"I was at the Virginia convention..."

Ok Bob, but you and your friend are confused. The Virginia DNC convention was in July, and at that convention they decide who the delegates are. However the Virginia DNC primary was in March, and it is at the primary that the DNC find out who Virginia democrats want to be the nominee. Almost all of the Virginia delegates chosen at the convention are bound to vote according to the results of the Primary.

So yeah, no shit the Virginia DNC convention was biased towards Hillary - they already knew that she'd won the Virginia primary (by a lot), and by that point they already knew that she'd won enough other primaries and caucuses to win the National Convention. She was, at that point, already the presumptive nominee.

Presumptive is the correct word here, and it was wrong. Hillary Clinton didn't get the nod until the Richmond Convention. It's exactly this sort of arrogance and ignoring of the actual voters that I believe cost the election.

gowlerk

***President Lincoln comes to mind....
“He who represents himself has a fool for a client”




(given how often Lincoln has made comments on the Internets makes me somewhat skeptical of the origins of this quote though...)

I don't think anyone would argue that Dylan Roof is not a fool.

Except that I think he's going to be successful. He wanted to stir up bad feelings between the races and look what we're getting. Race baiters like CNN are pretending like the only black victims of gun violence in the last 50 years died at the hands of police or Dylann Roof. How many neighborhoods will this get burned down, how many police shot and how much more silent resentment among white people will be engendered by having to pretend like we're the only ones who shoot black people, despite Chicago just passing the 700 mark of black on black killings for 2016?

And if anyone is wondering why the government hasn't tried to fix this in the past, just watch the way the media spins it to stir up trouble. "Government going after Retirees money! Have they no soul???"
The phone's ringing, it's probably AARP warning me about how the republicans are about to desecrate me.

A friend of mine who is very active in Virginia politics and a serious Hillary Clinton supporter even had trouble with it. Here's what he said about one event he attended. This is when the DNC was supposed to be seeing who their rank and file, the voters, wanted to represent them in the 2016 election.


"I was at the Virginia convention, and the partiality shown by state figures at the opening of the convention was outrageous. It began with the religious convocation, at which the minister said he was praying for Hillary's success. It was followed by major state figures, saying they were glad to be there with like-minded Democrats to nominate the first woman candidate for president of a major political party in the US. And it went on and on.
"

I think the real mystery, and I hope I live long enough for it to become public, is how Clinton got the nomination. And I'm not talking about the Bernie thing, I think we was smoke, deliberately allowed to run so the DNC could present some illusion of an actual primary decision by the voters. We have an entire nation full of Democrats that would have been better choices, Governors, Senators, Used Car salesmen, but there was never really any question. For some reason the one person so corrupt and hated that even Donald Trump could beat her was nominated. People are upset that Trump got elected, and I understand that, but I don't know why they aren't looking at the DNC as the source of their grief.

You confuse Obama and Clinton with "The Left"?

Can you imagine the reaction if you were to leave an internal part from an AAD on the floor of a fully loaded CASA?
I'm just wondering, of course. It would be wrong....

I knew a novice jumper that was doing really well and would have been a real asset to The Sport. She absolutely refused to exit an aircraft without an AAD. It came up once when her rig was being worked an and she said she couldn't even imagine jumping without one. Which is cool, but then she bought a canopy that was way too small for her and had two painful landings in a row and quit skydiving.
How the hell does that make sense?

I had four high speed malfunctions before the cypress was invented. I bought one when I jumped at a dz where the dzo really wanted us to but didn't require it for non-students. I appreciated his attitude and his dz. it was pulled after its 12 years and then in July of 2015, no aad, I had a cutaway.
I do have one serious problem with AADs and that's the attitude it engenders. I once heard a S&T telling some students that Tom Piras went in because he wasn't using one. But not one word about the oldest rule in skydiving, "if in doubt, whip it out." AAD or not when you wake up in the sky you go for your reserve first, you don't check altitude or even get belly to Earth. You have two parachutes and two hands, use one of each! Always assume a gun is loaded and that your AAD won't save you.

Here's what I don't understand. The accusation is that Russia got hold of emails that proved that Clinton and the DNC did things that we voters didn't like and leaked it to wikileaks.
One of the few people who would actually know this would be Julian Assange. But since making the statement that they didn't get the info from Russia Assange went from being the beloved spokesperson for The Left to being a nobody. Seriously, how many people here have even seen a news report about how Assange denies that it came from the Russian government? Why is that statement not news? And why would Assange lie for Trump?

Personally, I like the electoral college. If some loser in Florida can't count chads or some official in some other state doesn't know how to plug in the voting machine it doesn't affect my vote. Some official can claim to find a million votes for the candidate from their state and the only thing it affects is that state's Electoral votes. As it is, every state handles voting itself but this way we don't have to trust them. Their dishonesty or incompetence can only screw up their electoral votes. I'm in Ohio, and I'm not saying that I have a lot of influence over how Ohio handles voting, but as an Ohio voter I have some. I don't have any over how other states do it.