Bob_Church

Where are you jumping now? Bob

If they do come up with a system for getting them out one at a time I wonder if they'll even bother bringing out the coach. He'll have a short life in there, but maybe a longer one than if the parents get their hands on him. Where are you getting the idea that the coach is being blamed by anyone (parents, authorities, ect). I haven't seen that anywhere. That's one of the strangest questions I've ever been asked. And I can't imagine anything I could add that would make it any more obvious than it already is.

But there's a big difference between laws that some people will break anyway and laws that can't be enforced. The latter undermine our faith in our legal system and cause a lot of damage. They show a disconnect between the people making the laws and reality. Most laws can't be enforced under the logic hooknswoop is using. The majority of laws are written as a deterrent, many only applied after the fact or as an addon charge to something else. No, this is different. People who don't know gun owners and gun culture are unaware of certain things that happen and other things that aren't going to happen. Imagine people with absolutely no knowledge of skydiving and who have never jumped writing up rules to make The Sport safer. A lot of gun control laws may sound reasonable to the people proposing and passing them but have absolutely no connection to the reality of gun ownership. These laws don't help in any way. Think about this. Some states have actually made it illegal to forget that your child is in the back seat. Some haven't. There are people, organizations even, who honestly believe that children are dying in back seats because some states haven't made it illegal to forget that they're back there. Let's completely ignore the real problem because too many people aren't willing to deal with the fact that they run their mouths on the phone to the exclusion of everything else, including the life of their children and pretend that passing an insultingly stupid law will take care of it instead.

But there's a big difference between laws that some people will break anyway and laws that can't be enforced. The latter undermine our faith in our legal system and cause a lot of damage. They show a disconnect between the people making the laws and reality.

If they do come up with a system for getting them out one at a time I wonder if they'll even bother bringing out the coach. He'll have a short life in there, but maybe a longer one than if the parents get their hands on him.

It's not like he's selling tickets to a concert, or taking public transport. I'm sure he'll be fed well and have a good time.

I think this article talks about something that we really need to start taking into consideration, not just when talking gun registration but pretty much any time data is collected onto computers. I've dealt with IT departments for years and one thing I'm sure of is that many of the people who are supposed to be guarding this information tend to be high on arrogance but lacking in competence. We need to just accept that until things somehow change once they get our data everyone will soon have it. http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-06/data-breach-fatigue-ticketmaster-ticketfly-linkedin/9943720

Best I can think of is to drill a shaft down from the ground, if they can figure out the location of the trapped kids, and not come down right on top of them. I think they are 800 - 1000 metres below the surface. The Chilean miners were trapped for 60 odd days before they were able to drill a shaft down to them. The technical problems and time constraints make that an impossibility. They have very few options. I think this will end very badly. I agree with your assessment. And then there's pneumonia which might bypass all of the other problems. The differences between this and the Chile rescue are staggering. As a mine site it was relatively easy to get equipment and supplies to the rescue area. Even with the substandard job done of mapping there was some logic to how the shafts were laid out. And then the fact that if they do have to bore the entire hole it's the distance of the altitude of most of my jumps. Just under 4k. And all that's supposing that the drilling doesn't open a channel of water, flooding the area or cause a cave in. Copper and gold are mined in very hard rock which is difficult to cut through but I would think it would be safer as far as the rock not fragmenting so much during the boring. This is going to be rough.

I became good friends with Jihad Yamout when we shared a house that rented out rooms. This was just before I met and married Gwyn so it's been awhile. We, even sometimes the three of us, spent quite a lot of time together but once he got his Masters in Mathematics he had to go to MIT for his doctorate and we lost touch. Then, I think it was summer before last I was sure I saw him uptown. I came this close to shouting out his name then caught myself. I went over and saw that it wasn't him and explained to the man. He was nice about it and didn't seem all that surprised. I thought that Jihad would be an odd name but this story explains that it isn't. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-42009219 I became good friends with Jihad Yamout when we shared a house that rented out rooms. This was just before I met and married Gwyn so it's been awhile. We, even sometimes the three of us spent quite a lot of time together but once he got his Masters in Mathematics he had to go to MIT for his doctorate and we lost touch. Then, I think it was summer before last I was sure I saw him uptown. I came this close to shouting out his name then caught myself. I enter over and saw that it wasn't him and explained to the man. He was nice about it and didn't seem all that surprised. I thought that Jihad would be an odd name but this story explains that it isn't. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-42009219 Sorry, I'm on my IPad and can't select that line well enough to url it.

I really hated reading that. Rescue people do incredible things for us.

Rummicube is a good one.

That is already illegal. Colorado passed a universal background check law. Several poster here, including billvon, were sure that the law would be enforceable. Want to guess how many people have been prosecuted in the last 5 years? Boiling a frog. Derek V Illegal but can it be traced? If you sell a gun to an undercover cop then you'd be arrested. But if you sell it to your brother in law and they find it on his body after he shoots up a business will they be able to trace it back to you? Edit: Don't get me wrong. I think that most gun laws are bullshit simply because they're unenforceable. They make some people feel good and get votes for passing them, and good gun owners nervous because they're the ones who obey the laws, but other than that, not much.

"Not a whole lot will deter someone who doesn't plan to be around to see any consequences. " But what about deterring the person who can still legally buy a gun from then selling it on to someone who can't?

Indeed! It was after the second one snapped off that a light bulb appeared on over my head: "Wait a minute! What was it someone once told me about lefthand lug bolts?" Yep, my '63 Valiant. Two snapped off before I realized that it wasn't just corrosion.

There are worse things but it's hard to imagine that at the time.

"And as far as rotating tires, I do that myself." But not this time. I suspect those other three are sealed on there too. Bob

I had a flat tire a couple of days ago and have to replace the tire. They ordered a new rim, long story, and I'm taking my car in tomorrow. But while I'm at it I'm having the tires rotated. Actually, I told them that they didn't even have to move them, but be sure to take each one off and on. I was lucky enough to have my flat near a very friendly and helpful guy with a fully equipped garage but I still almost had to have it towed to town. We couldn't get the flat tire off. It took two of us, big hammers, weights on a chain and a lot of words I hadn't used for awhile just to get the tire off. So remember, sometimes over the years they just sort of weld or glue themselves to the drum. Don't find this out on a two lane road in pouring rain while trying to get home. Like I did. Another thing to check for is whether or not you can get the lugnuts off. Sometimes your tire will be put on by a bored kid with an air powered wrench and they get carried away. I've had times when it took a breaker bar to get them lose. It's much better to do this when you're home, have the tools, then you can put it back on properly. And always remember to have a word with the employee, too. I can remember being 14 or 15 and the phone ringing in the middle of the night and one pissed off father on the other end. He had a flat and needed to get it fixed and get going before the Highway Patrol stopped and had him blow into tube. But the kid at Mahoning Tire in Marietta had had his fun. We had to gather up a breaker bar and get over there. Fast. That was decades ago but I bet that guy remembers when my old man showed up the next day to have a word with him.

For two person games Mastermind is good. When it starts to get too easy just add things, I think we had popcorn, white beans and black beans before too long.

They need to get the Isrealis to stop the rain.

I think the reason we're in so much trouble now is that as a population we got tired of having to watch politicians constantly and defend our country from them, so we decided that one party was ours. That way all we have to do is vote Democrat and we've done our part. We've forgotten that there isn't any real difference between them.

Exactly... it's at the extreme edge of dangerous. And aside from the serious danger there are the "other" problems. You'd need a stun gun and a roll of duct tape to get me in there. These kids somehow got themselves back in there but pulling themselves out through cracks with strong currents and zero visibility could easily send a person over the edge.

Ted Cruz: ‘Vote for the Democrat’ over the GOP Nazi https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/29/ted-cruz-arthur-jones-vote-democrat-688743 It seems like being a Nazi Holocaust Denier would be a contradiction.

Ever since I started putting on a Russian accent when I call the WH, they just connect me immediately, so I don't even need to wait for a callback anymore.

"A week is a long time in politics"; Harold Wilson. An awful lot of damage can be done in two years. Well, it's not as if I could do anything about it anyway. It's just how I look at it, but The Whitehouse never returns my calls.

"I'll give Trump the same latitude, he's the President, our chief diplomat and can conduct himself as he likes. The difference is that he's already shown himself to be inept in situations like this already having shown that he has no idea what he should or shouldn't say to protect our intelligence work. " I have an old rule, I give a new President the first two years. But it's not been easy this time.