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  1. It is my sad duty to report that a major supporter of our explorations into the Cooper case, the lady I sometimes called 'Miss Daisy,' has passed away from natural causes at the age of 86. Gayla and I first met her about fifteen years ago when we took her on as a cleaning customer. 

    As time went on, she also asked me to work for her on weekends driving her around to errands, to lunch, or to medical appointments. Over the years I got to know her pretty well. She was a 1956 grad of the University of Washington with a Masters in English. She worked her way through college, along with receiving some modest scholarships. Her summer job in college was working for the US Forest Service at Mt. Rainier National Park, where she did all manner of things for them including waiting tables at the lodge and even planting trees occasionally outside the park area. 

    After she graduated, she applied for Federal civil service as a librarian and was hired by the US Air Force, which is where she spent her entire working career. They assigned to her bases all around the world, including one place I knew well...Anderson Air Force base on Guam. (I lived in the Apra Heights neighborhood on Guam for three years when I was a kid) She survived Super Typhoon Karen in 1962 and Typhoon Pamela in 1976, both of which caused extensive damage to the island as well as the library she ran. She helped rebuild the library a second time after Pamela and then was assigned elsewhere. During the Vietnam War, she provided the books to the people she called 'my boys,' whether they were going TO the war, or coming home FROM it. 

    Below: Guam, after Typhoon Karen
    Photo Source: Anderson AFB 36th Wing History Office

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    While I was traveling around the Northwest investigating the Cooper case, 'Miss Daisy' would often write generous checks to AB of Seattle to help cover expenses. I tried to refuse this money, but she wasn't having any of that. "I can afford it, Bob." she said. "Stop worrying." I cut her cleaning rate in half to help make it up to her, and also charged her the minimum for my weekend trips to her house to drive her around...once the traveling part of the investigation was over. She was a constant supporter of Adventure Books in one way or another for many years, and my good friend. 

    She was also a world traveler in her spare time and could be found in Hong Kong, Nepal, even Red China occasionally, where she seemed to get along with everybody. She even talked a Red Army guard out of his hat, which she decorated with little pins and later gifted to me. (I don't actually wear it, of course. But I keep it in a china cabinet.)

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    She had a hell of a life, that's for sure. And she really did remind me of Jessica Tandy in Driving Miss Daisy because our relationship was a lot like the movie. When she became unable to live by herself any longer, Gayla and I helped her move to two different assisted living facilities (she had to have her OWN apartment there of course) and we did this for free. The final move we did for her was just in time, because the place she HAD been was swept through with the Covid virus, while the place she went to last was not. I am pretty certain we saved her life on that one. Picture below was taken at the last place she lived. 

    She left me some cute things from her personal possessions that I will always treasure, including a large series of unused post cards from the Far East, a jeweler's loupe in a leather case, (I found out that she figured I could start fires with it out in the woods while camping ^_^) and other stuff. 

    'Miss Daisy,' you will be missed. :`(

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    She definitely had a sense of humor. She's wearing a Mickey Mouse watch. An original. Every time it quit working she got it repaired. ^_^


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    What is clear is the part found did not come from NORJAK.

    Eric is still using a juvenile fallacy,, "prove my theory wrong or else it is fact".

     

    Well, Flyjack...we may not agree on EVERYTHING...but we certainly agree on what you just said here. B)

    These Cooper folks...some of them nice people, others not so nice, others being outright hustlers...if they actually worked together on something Cooper-related, I swear I would have a heart attack on the spot. 


  3. Well...Eric's tendency to BS and lie to people for his own benefit is well-known. 

    I still have the email response he sent that was received and seen by everyone involved in the proposed 2019 Portland Cooper Party...the one where he says he is happy to host the thing. So we proceeded based on his response. We were aware that Eric was planning another event elsewhere, so we offered to move the Portland event to a different day so as not to conflict with his. He ignored that offer and accepted the hosting job having no intention of actually showing up. In fact, he accepted the job to try and STOP the Portland event, which he (and some friends) succeeded in doing. 

    This is the reality of what he did:

    He and several other people started an email campaign to the other organizers telling lies about AB of Seattle staff. He had already organized his own Cooper event in Vancouver and was making separate plans for that event. Had he simply said 'no' to our offer, the event would have continued in Portland with another host. Due to the email campaign, all of the organizers withdrew their support, although the V-23 Brewery, the place that names all their beers after situations and characters in the Cooper case, didn't care if Eric's group stopped by, which they did to eat and drink. But the other two organizers wanted nothing to do with Eric's group and were disgusted with the way things ended up, especially Jim Brunberg, the owner of Mississippi Studios. He was completely put off by the fighting and lying, and in his last message he warned everyone it better stop or he would withdraw his offer of the free venue. M. Studios includes a restaurant, a bar, and plenty of seating in the main stage area. It was a generous offer, and it was HIS idea to approach AB of Seattle with help replacing the annual Cooper Party once held in Ariel. 

    Instead of a packed house, short films on Cooper, live music and partying at Mississippi Studios in Portland...Cooper fans were treated to twenty bucks an admission to the theater in Vancouver. A more boring affair on Cooper was never conceived. 

    Before the Portland event was canceled, THIS was the program THERE...which was a lot more fun and exciting than Eric's ridiculous parading around of Captain Smith's daughter: 

    (Not that his daughter isn't a nice person, but had she known the Real Deal on what Eric did, I doubt she would have bothered to attend.)

    Portland event compared to Eric's 20 dollar to enter fiasco in Vancouver:

    • All three cast members from Brad Meltzer's Decoded were scheduled to appear, do stage stuff, and answer questions from the audience. They are Christine McKinley from Portland, an engineer who owns her own consulting business there. Buddy Levy, best-selling author and English professor from the Washington State University, and Scott Rolle, former Maryland state prosecutor, now a judge, who had just returned from active duty in Afghanistan. He is an officer in the Army Reserve. 
       
    • Film star Nick Robinson, whose small production company had recently signed on to help produce the first-ever full length feature film on the Cooper case. 95% committed to appearing in person with a short trailer, five percent chance he just sends the trailer. I met with him personally in Seattle a few months prior to the proposed event in Portland. After he agreed to appear, Jim Brunberg considered the idea of holding the party instead at Revolution Hall in Portland, due to the number of Nick fans who might show up. Nick has a LOT of fans. M. Studios, Jim pointed out, holds about 300 or so. Revolution Hall can hold about a thousand people. We thought it could be necessary. Imagine yourself as a Cooper investigator, or the author of a Cooper book...and stepping up to the podium/stage to speak to a crowd like that. No one in their wildest Cooperland dreams was ever offered something so generous. You would have made the national news easily. 
       
    • D.B. Cooper Character Lookalike Contest, with $2,500 in Amazon Gift Cards as prizes. Most of this was being put up by Adventure Books of Seattle. This alone would probably have packed the house. (We're going to do this on the Cooper Campout next year, by the way. Just a bit smaller amount.)
       
    • Admission *probably* free to the Portland event, although a cover charge of no more than five dollars was occasionally discussed. 
       
    • Known Cooper folks such as Bruce Smith, Eric, and others with books out there, or who wanted to give short talks on the case would be paid a fee for their participation. If the cover charge had been done, the payments to these people would be higher of course. 
       
    • If you're wondering how a guy like me could put together a program like that, it's only because I was taught HOW to do it by a woman who had been organizing large public events for more than 20 years when I met her and worked with her:  The famous Connie H, the head of the Auburn Days Festival for 28 straight seasons. I worked the media shoots and the theater events for her for five of those seasons. She taught me everything she knew about how to bring in the attendance and ensure everyone has fun.
       

    Here's the REALLY funny thing...one of the reasons that some people in Cooperland were against this party was because they thought I would be there 'running the whole show,' and they didn't want to be involved in a 'Blevins thing'. But I wasn't going to BE THERE. I had previous commitments down in San Diego for Thanksgiving. Eric and the owner of Mississippi Studios were going to be running everything. Our job at AB...when these organizers approached us...was to do financial support and come up with the headliners. And we did that. 

    But none of us at AB were going to attend in person. Greg the Techie Guy had to be in San Francisco to visit his sister. I was doing Thanksgiving in SoCal with my mother in law. The Amazon gift cards were being mailed to Mississippi Studios, and I arranged the headliners and they were ready to go on their own.

    The end result was that again....Cooperland shoots itself in the foot for nothing. B) And that was the last time I ever tried to organize a Cooper event where I relinquished most of the responsibility to others. We may do one final campout next year...a BIG one with frankly massive partying...but no one will be arranging that except myself and Greg. We just don't trust anyone else to do that. You will be invited. Just ONCE. Whether you attend I couldn't care less. I'm sure when word gets out what it is all about, we won't have any trouble filling the slots. 

    The situation with Covid, whether there is a vaccine available, etc are factors in all this. But hopefully by early next summer or late spring that won't be a problem. 

    EDIT: After the dust settled and I had to inform Nick R and the cast of Decoded that the party was cancelled, one of them (I won't name them) said this to me in an email:

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    "In the picture business, people often do not get along. Sometimes you end up working next to someone you absolutely hate. But it's a business, and when it comes down to it you act professionally and get the job done. It's too bad some people forgot that and couldn't work together.."

    I had to agree. One thing I learned, though. Eric cannot be trusted. 

    Sometime after this fiasco, I did the video. But it doesn't really matter. At least I held off on buying the Amazon Gift Cards just in time. ^_^ 

    (As far as my relationship with Nick R and the Cooper movie, this is how it stands today:  I let the option lapse on my participation in the movie, but that was done mainly to get out from under just ONE of the three studios who were actually involved. I told Nick and the other studio I would be willing to sign a new contract with them only. It was the one studio who were responsible for the submitted script, which I found substandard at best. So there is still some hope, although Nick is out of the country for the next nine months shooting another film.)

    ^^^^^^ A more compact version of what you just read in my post. ^^^^^At the time I made this video, I was not yet aware that Eric's friends were sending poison-pen emails to the sponsors and organizers of the Portland event. Shortly afterward, some of them forwarded these emails to me. 


  4. Pictures below show where the Hicks placard was discovered. Even if it didn't come from Flight 305, the location shows it was definitely within the flight path as provided by the FBI, NWA and their personnel, etc. Some of the notes refer to Adventure Books of Seattle's proposal (pre-Covid) to establish a search camp with metal detectors and search the surrounding area over a four-day process. This plan was later canceled. Access to this area is restricted, and you must obtain permission and a key to the locked gates from Weyerhauser Logging. 

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    'McConnell essentially stopped Obama from appointing any federal judges. 

    And since Trump took over, he's been appointing them at a rate that is astonishing. 
    He's put more in place than anyone in a long time...'

     

    Point of Order: Obama appointed approximately 39% of the Federal judges now serving. 329, plus two to the Supreme Court.

    Trump has done approximately 194. This is a higher rate per Presidential term than Obama, yes.  

    The basic score is approximately 165 per term for Obama, versus 194 for Trump. 

    How many of the Obama judges have retired, been replaced, etc since Obama's first year in office I do not know. But that's the score more or less. The lesson is we shouldn't give Trump another term, and an opportunity to make things worse. 


  6. 3 hours ago, DFS346 said:

    A retired USAF colonel and F-106 pilot from 318th FIS has shared his recollection that the lead pilot was Major Frank Loesch.

    Where was this shared? Testimony isn't much good without a link to the source.
    The only Frank Loesch I know was the Chicago crimefighter. 

    My favorite article (or close to it) was when I blew the lid off Walter Reca as Cooper.

    Some people think I just dropped off the apple cart last Tuesday. Not happening. B) 

    I passed the Mensa test, but I turned THEM down because it costs money to join. 


  7. I could be wrong, but I sense that *most* Americans have just HAD IT with all the hatred, the violence, the division, and the lies/crazy stuff. And that there is going to be a major shift in leadership coming, and some respect returning to the White House. I thought of it kind of like Pearl Harbor...we sat out that war for two years and then the wake up call came. 

    The truth has been (historically) that Americans can be slow to react sometimes, but when they finally do, it is usually decisively. I think instead of Pearl Harbor this time it has been the pandemic, the hatred, and the riots. 

    I know several people who are dyed-in-the-wool Republicans. They are cleaning customers for the most part. Because let's face it...you have to be well-to-do to afford a service like that. We don't work cheap. And amazingly, over the last three weeks, all of them have told us individually that they are voting for Joe Biden. They don't necessarily enjoy this a couple of them said...but they see no other choice. (That link above wasn't an advertisement. We have a waiting list for new service longer than your arm. :) 

    I also see that some Republican Senators are finally turning their backs on Trump. Ben Sasse from Nebraska was the latest. You probably saw the article the other day where he blasts Trump REALLY hard. ("He flirts with dictators," etc just Google if you haven't seen his town hall statements.) My hope is that enough of them will see the light and realize their party is being destroyed from the inside by Trump...and hopefully refuse to vote for confirmation on Amy Coney 'Dodge-the-Questions' Barrett. 

    It's also possible US Senator Susan Collins out of Maine might not confirm either. She's under a lot of pressure there and Maine residents have had just about enough of her. A confirmation vote for Barrett that almost ensures the ACA will be eliminated is the last thing she needs in an election year. There are a couple of others sweating bullets right now on re-election, which frankly...they deserve since they supported Trump blindly for nearly four years. I have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't have the guts to do what's right. In case you didn't know, as far as Congress goes....Republicans will withhold prime committee appointments to their US Representatives if that rep votes against something supported by the party, no matter how ridiculous that 'something' happens to be. It's how they keep the rank and file in Congress in line. Dems do this to a certain extent as well (to be fair about it) but nothing on the level that Republicans will do with their own. 

    As far as 'prepping,' I don't prep for zombies or the Apocalypse. I prep for a possible natural disaster, which is much more likely than zombies. We're set well for food, med supplies, communications, power, water, shelter etc. If everything were suddenly cut off completely, we could last about two months easily. A lot longer on some things, although after two months the food and water would start to run short, I'll admit. However, prepping is an ongoing process and I keep improving our situation on that. I figure we're still better prepared than 95% of everyone else. It wasn't easy. Lots of Amazon orders, smart shopping, and spreading out the costs over a long period of time certainly helped. 

     


  8. Well...after reading all these posts...I am no longer convinced that the Electoral College system is a fair system. Like a lot of other folks, I thought maybe it WAS...now I am not so sure. Maybe we SHOULD get rid of them after all. Some of your arguments are pretty convincing on the idea of dismantling the EC. 

    This thread started out as one about prepping and morphed into something else. 'Prepping' as discussed at Dropzone is a lot less radical than other sites. You should see what people post at the Northwest Firearms Forum, for example. They want to store away everything possible against the zombies and the apocalypse...anything short of a nuke LOL. 

    Over there, I am the Designated Liberal Gun Owner. Barely tolerated, somewhat accepted. ^_^

    It helped that I became a Bronze Supporter of the site. But one thing I never do over there is talk politics. NEVER. That would be like joining an anti-animal cruelty site and saying you torture cats for fun. Not a good idea.  

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  9. 5 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

    So...  About that Sky Sports guy...

    Tell you the truth, I just didn't bother going very far with that because I didn't think it mattered enough to the case. Frankly, I didn't really care who owned what chute, or who gave who what, etc. The only thing that mattered was where is the chute Cooper jumped with, i.e. where is it NOW? And on that I suspect it was the chute found near Amboy, WA that was buried without its container and harness. 

    Remember>>> I spoke to the FBI agent who was in charge of dealing with the media questions regarding that chute. And more than once, too. (Well, there were actually TWO agents in Seattle taking the questions, one of them being Fred Gutt. The other was the lady actually doing the media releases, such as they were.) And the lady admitted to me that the only 'experts' they consulted about the chute were not actually allowed to see it, but were only contacted by phone. The ONLY outside person to see it was Earl Cossey, and he was not honest about it.

    I looked at the whole picture of what happened between the finding of the chute and the final announcement about it (maybe ten days)...and I saw a whitewash for sure. Someone at the Seattle FBI realized that if they admit the chute could be Cooper's, their whole line for years, their position that Cooper died in the jump (their position AFTER the finding of the Tina Bar money) would be seen as dead wrong for decades. 

    In other words...the FBI would have to admit that Cooper not only lived, but got away with it, because it takes a LIVE person to D/C the harness and container and bury that chute. In a few short days, the Seattle FBI figured that out, too. If they had found the chute intact, they could still claim Cooper died, and that perhaps someone later happened along the chute and buried it. It's harder to do that if the container and harness were removed and not found at the location the chute was found...which is exactly the case here. 

    When I inquired on the chute years later, they said they couldn't discuss it because it was 'evidence in an ongoing case'. I reminded them they had DISMISSED it completely as evidence five years previously. They came back to me with the same answer. I know baloney when I see it. And that whole Amboy chute scenario had Oscar Meyer written all over it...

    They are most likely keeping it as evidence today because they know it was the chute used by Cooper. That's a personal opinion. Tom Kaye and his team have a standing offer to the FBI to be allowed to examine the Amboy chute, but they were rebuffed. Kind of strange...the FBI let them look at damn near everything else. Why refuse them access to the Amboy chute? 

    As far as the harness and container, I believe Cooper D/C's them, transferred the money from the bank bag to the chute container (less obvious, and they were LOOKING for someone with a bank bag) and after tossing the harness elsewhere, used the container to hike out the money. The bank bag probably went into the same hole or other spot as the harness did. Someone walking along with a backpack looks pretty normal in the Pacific Northwest. Someone hand-carrying a bag like the one shown below would look pretty obvious. 

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    Now you're the spammer, haha.

    I don't know about THAT...but since I ditched those movie companies and freed myself from their damned Confidentiality Agreement, I no longer have to keep secrets on what we know regarding KC, and the non-public evidence against him. I will be releasing that here and there. The previous post I did wasn't really a part of that, though. Those things were already public. I just wanted to make sure people got a good look at those things from the source. Too many people like to make assumptions about our investigation into Christiansen....without verifying their assumptions from the source first. Shutter is most famous for that, and sometimes it makes him look the fool. Even I'm not foolish enough to run a story without confirming with the source. B) I learned that reading All The President's Men. 

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    On another note, I have obtained permission to do an interview with one of the main people involved in creating the book Ha Ha Ha. I will be interviewing this person (video for YouTube/still shots/article at WordPress and Quora) after Christmas. 

    We agreed it was better to wait until after the election and the holidays, plus the Covid Crap. You know how it goes. It was actually my idea to wait until then. I will have to drive several hours each way to do this interview, but I'm okay with that. It's possible we may do this interview BEFORE Christmas, but that is generally up to me. The person involved said they would do it sooner if I wanted. 

    It will be a relaxed interview, not a grilling. Basically, I'm looking for the story behind the book, how it was actually created, the results of all that, and how this person looks back today on their effort to produce the book. 

    As a pro editor who has edited more than sixty titles in my career, I can tell you a couple of things about that book. It was done in the days prior to digital publishing, instant digital art, and without a word processing program. The embossed cover and artwork are done well. So is the interior editing. And they did all this the old-fashioned way. For an independent production, it was done on a professional level for sure. I want to find out everything about it. And I will. 


  11. 17 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

    I decided to release some pictures of the counter top piece I still have stored in the office, the one shown in the original Decoded show. 

    Background: I was actually present when the cast and crew of Decoded discovered this item. They got the idea to use infrared to try and detect cold and hot spots in KC's house, in an effort to discover any evidence that had been left behind in the home by KC. 

    So...they start scanning the house with the infrared, but they aren't really coming up with much. Finally, they get the idea to point it at the ceilings and got a cold reading on the ceiling in Kenny's old bedroom, which would put this spot in the attic of the house. We asked the current owner, the print shop guy, where the access panel was leading to the attic, and he said there wasn't one. It was soon determined that the only access to the attic was by removing an octagonal attic vent, one of two on each end of the house. 

    They borrow a ten-foot ladder and Scott Rolle goes up there and reports that several large screws are holding the attic vent in place, the one closest to the cold spot. He uses a screwdriver to remove the screws and crawls inside the attic. After some probing around with a flashlight, he finds the following:

    A large board with Formica top is sitting on top of two of the attic joists, and it is covered with insulation. He brushes away the insulation and removes the board. Underneath it, someone had taken two 2x6 boards and nailed them to the joists crosswise, to create a sort of box, with the Formica counter piece covering it on top. The bottom of this 'box' is the sheetrock from the ceiling. Two sides are the 2x6, the other two sides are the attic joists. 

    Contrary to what was indicated on the show, I found out later that this counter top board did NOT have hinges on it. Scott Rolle thought it did, and said so while the camera was rolling. Off camera, he corrected himself, but it was left in the show for what reason I am not sure. After the filming was over, I went back to the house some time later and asked the owner if I could go back up there and keep the board for research. He said yes. So I went up there and took it home. 

    Pictures below with my notes: 

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    One of the first things I did with this was to take it to a company that had been in the counter top installation business for many years. A few of the guys there examined it. They told me two things about it. First, it was OLD. They guessed at least thirty years and possibly more. They also said it was definitely SCRAP due to the age and because the saw cuts were done quickly and kind of sloppily. Whatever it was supposed to do, whatever purpose it served, it was done in a hurry. 

    Witnesses Helen Jones and Margie Geestman had both told me that KC tore out the counter material in his kitchen and replaced it with more or less the same color, right after he moved into the house in 1972. But, he did keep the original cabinets. The picture below lends truth to those statements. It's a 1992 picture of Robin Powell on Halloween, standing in KC's kitchen. The cabinets are obviously very old, but the counter top material looks much newer:

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    BELOW:  Stain from the board matched the color of the old cabinets, meaning someone PRIOR to KC did the cabinet staining, since he pulled all the counter top material when he moved into the home. What does this mean? It proves KC was the one who cut a spare piece from the scrap, took the trouble to climb into the attic, nail in a pair of 2x6's to make a box, and covered this space with the counter scrap piece. Then...he would have climb back out using a ten-foot ladder, and re-secure the attic vent with its eight screws. The question is, why would he do that? I've been up in that attic. The center height is four feet. It is a very cramped space and takes several minutes just to remove the attic vent, let alone to replace it. He also tossed some loose insulation on top of this whole assembly to conceal it. 

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    BELOW: An edit. I added one more picture. One reason why Scott Rolle may have thought at first the board was hinged was because it had been nailed in place. Not very well, though. He was able to remove it easily, once he found it under the insulation. The cold spot on the infrared that revealed its location was directly above near-center of the ceiling in Kenny's old bedroom. 

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    I still hang on to this thing, not sure why exactly. It's wrapped in heavy plastic in one of my closets. I may have it framed some day with the white side out, and a description saying what it is. ^_^ One thing is for sure. Kenny certainly was one to stash this or that. The money below was found buried on his property by a guy who grew up in Bonney Lake. He and his friends. Just like people had claimed for years, but until Kyle stepped forward and did the video, gave the facts, (confirmed by Bonney Lake PD) offered the picture...no one could be sure. Below is a report I created years BEFORE Kyle came forward. It is accurate almost to a T. 

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    BELOW: Years later, when Kyle came forward, he offered a picture. This money is NOT from the hijacking, but dates from the mid-80s. It was buried on KC's property. Totals about $1,400. KC owned that property from 1972 until his death in 1994, so it is safe to assume it was probably buried by him. Most people would not bother burying money on someone else's house lot and property...especially if people were living there. A vacant property, maybe. An occupied property is very unlikely.

    NOTE: I did miss on a couple of small points. The money was not turned in to the owner of the home, or directly to a bank. It was turned in to the Bonney Lake PD, according to Kyle. From THERE it either went to a bank, or directly to the Bureau of Printing and Engraving. Bonney Lake PD was able to confirm the money WAS turned in, but not what happened to it after that. They no longer had the official record. And the check from B and E was not $1,500, but $1,400. The money was split evenly between Kyle and his friends. You can see his testimony HERE at YouTube about it. A tough video to do...it was over 90 degrees that day. 

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    What possible purpose would Christiansen have for building a wooden box (yes, the money above was found in a small wooden (hand-built) box and wrapped in heavy plastic) and then shoving a bunch of money into it, and then burying it? I have no idea, but it could have been for bug-out purposes I suppose. Funny though how he did basically the same thing in his attic, you have to admit. 

     

    In case you missed it... 


  12. I decided to release some pictures of the counter top piece I still have stored in the office, the one shown in the original Decoded show. 

    Background: I was actually present when the cast and crew of Decoded discovered this item. They got the idea to use infrared to try and detect cold and hot spots in KC's house, in an effort to discover any evidence that had been left behind in the home by KC. 

    So...they start scanning the house with the infrared, but they aren't really coming up with much. Finally, they get the idea to point it at the ceilings and got a cold reading on the ceiling in Kenny's old bedroom, which would put this spot in the attic of the house. We asked the current owner, the print shop guy, where the access panel was leading to the attic, and he said there wasn't one. It was soon determined that the only access to the attic was by removing an octagonal attic vent, one of two on each end of the house. 

    They borrow a ten-foot ladder and Scott Rolle goes up there and reports that several large screws are holding the attic vent in place, the one closest to the cold spot. He uses a screwdriver to remove the screws and crawls inside the attic. After some probing around with a flashlight, he finds the following:

    A large board with Formica top is sitting on top of two of the attic joists, and it is covered with insulation. He brushes away the insulation and removes the board. Underneath it, someone had taken two 2x6 boards and nailed them to the joists crosswise, to create a sort of box, with the Formica counter piece covering it on top. The bottom of this 'box' is the sheetrock from the ceiling. Two sides are the 2x6, the other two sides are the attic joists. 

    Contrary to what was indicated on the show, I found out later that this counter top board did NOT have hinges on it. Scott Rolle thought it did, and said so while the camera was rolling. Off camera, he corrected himself, but it was left in the show for what reason I am not sure. After the filming was over, I went back to the house some time later and asked the owner if I could go back up there and keep the board for research. He said yes. So I went up there and took it home. 

    Pictures below with my notes: 

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    One of the first things I did with this was to take it to a company that had been in the counter top installation business for many years. A few of the guys there examined it. They told me two things about it. First, it was OLD. They guessed at least thirty years and possibly more. They also said it was definitely SCRAP due to the age and because the saw cuts were done quickly and kind of sloppily. Whatever it was supposed to do, whatever purpose it served, it was done in a hurry. 

    Witnesses Helen Jones and Margie Geestman had both told me that KC tore out the counter material in his kitchen and replaced it with more or less the same color, right after he moved into the house in 1972. But, he did keep the original cabinets. The picture below lends truth to those statements. It's a 1992 picture of Robin Powell on Halloween, standing in KC's kitchen. The cabinets are obviously very old, but the counter top material looks much newer:

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    BELOW:  Stain from the board matched the color of the old cabinets, meaning someone PRIOR to KC did the cabinet staining, since he pulled all the counter top material when he moved into the home. What does this mean? It proves KC was the one who cut a spare piece from the scrap, took the trouble to climb into the attic, nail in a pair of 2x6's to make a box, and covered this space with the counter scrap piece. Then...he would have climb back out using a ten-foot ladder, and re-secure the attic vent with its eight screws. The question is, why would he do that? I've been up in that attic. The center height is four feet. It is a very cramped space and takes several minutes just to remove the attic vent, let alone to replace it. He also tossed some loose insulation on top of this whole assembly to conceal it. 

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    BELOW: An edit. I added one more picture. One reason why Scott Rolle may have thought at first the board was hinged was because it had been nailed in place. Not very well, though. He was able to remove it easily, once he found it under the insulation. The cold spot on the infrared that revealed its location was directly above near-center of the ceiling in Kenny's old bedroom. 

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    I still hang on to this thing, not sure why exactly. It's wrapped in heavy plastic in one of my closets. I may have it framed some day with the white side out, and a description saying what it is. ^_^ One thing is for sure. Kenny certainly was one to stash this or that. The money below was found buried on his property by a guy who grew up in Bonney Lake. He and his friends. Just like people had claimed for years, but until Kyle stepped forward and did the video, gave the facts, (confirmed by Bonney Lake PD) offered the picture...no one could be sure. Below is a report I created years BEFORE Kyle came forward. It is accurate almost to a T. 

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    BELOW: Years later, when Kyle came forward, he offered a picture. This money is NOT from the hijacking, but dates from the mid-80s. It was buried on KC's property. Totals about $1,400. KC owned that property from 1972 until his death in 1994, so it is safe to assume it was probably buried by him. Most people would not bother burying money on someone else's house lot and property...especially if people were living there. A vacant property, maybe. An occupied property is very unlikely.

    NOTE: I did miss on a couple of small points. The money was not turned in to the owner of the home, or directly to a bank. It was turned in to the Bonney Lake PD, according to Kyle. From THERE it either went to a bank, or directly to the Bureau of Printing and Engraving. Bonney Lake PD was able to confirm the money WAS turned in, but not what happened to it after that. They no longer had the official record. And the check from B and E was not $1,500, but $1,400. The money was split evenly between Kyle and his friends. You can see his testimony HERE at YouTube about it. A tough video to do...it was over 90 degrees that day. 

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    What possible purpose would Christiansen have for building a wooden box (yes, the money above was found in a small wooden (hand-built) box and wrapped in heavy plastic) and then shoving a bunch of money into it, and then burying it? I have no idea, but it could have been for bug-out purposes I suppose. Funny though how he did basically the same thing in his attic, you have to admit. 

     


  13. 54 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    Noticed something odd...

    There is a white cotton/canvas bag with the pink reserve parachute shown by the FBI during the History channel show.. "D B Cooper case closed"

    That white bag was NOT shown during Tom Kaye's examination..

    https://citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html

    Is it part of the reserve chute? or something else? It looks attached. Didn't an FBI file state Cooper tried to wrap the money in white material..

    It came out of the box with the reserve container and pink chute.. appears attached to the open reserve container??

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    Strange. And a good question. I have no idea what it is. Looks like it's been hacked rather sloppily with a knife or something, though. The jagged cut does not indicate it was done with scissors. I wouldn't think so anyway. 


  14. I hear some folks didn't like my parody up there. No worries. Probably will shift from parody to reality soon. Except maybe the part about the hospital wing. 

    Nothing new to report. Had to drive to Wenatchee this morning. Same route I used to take to do the interviews of Margie Geestman, across two mountain passes and back. Weather was awful. Incessant and heavy rain both ways. 

    Finished the first 30 pages of my Cooper movie script. I can guarantee it's better than the one some other folks tried to tell me was 'good'. If anyone's interested, speak up and I will upload a few pages here for you. If not, no big deal. You can still view it at Quora when I upload it there. 

    Frankly, both of the main threads/sites on Cooper (this place and the place run by a guy in Florida) are becoming a big flat bore. Over at Bruce's place, every time the poor guy tries to post up another serious article on the case, the Peanut Gallery comes out and ruins it for him. 

    If anything, you guys are predictable. B)

    Brother, I'm sure glad I shortstop that stuff at my places on Cooper. I wouldn't allow outsiders to trash all MY hard work, I can tell you that. They can either come reasonably and politely, or they can forget it. Makes for better content all around. Sometimes that stuff comes back to haunt you, especially when trying to establish credibility. You'll figure it out. Or perhaps you won't. 


  15. Well...they're probably not going to ditch the Electoral College THIS election anyway. Too late for that. 

    I have a feeling that this time both the popular vote and the EC vote will go for the same candidate. It's starting to look that way. My home defense weapon of choice is the 45 auto and the pump shotgun, not that it matters. Never had to do that except for the time the drunk neighbor lady came in through our downstairs slider at night thinking it was HER house lol. The noise came when she collapsed on the dining room floor. Good thing I turned on the lights when I went downstairs. ^_^ So I could see who was there. 


  16. I'm not hot on the Electoral College, either. But remember a few points about that system. 

    • If we didn't HAVE it, the top four, five, seven/eleven states in population would make all the choices for President. Too bad some states are far less populated than others, but are sometimes big states in area. Why couldn't we have just settled this country equally everywhere? Like a checkerboard. Would make these things easier. 
       
    • So like Keenu Reeves said in Speed, "What do YOU do?"
       
    • The Presidential race is one of the few that affects the entire country. Senators and US Reps are by state. Not trying to give a civics lesson. I'm sure you all know that stuff. If you don't want the decision on who will lead the US made strictly by where most people live, then how do you give a voice to the people in the less-populated states? 
       
    • You see the problem here? When people say, 'He was elected by a majority of the people," what they would mean if the College was gone, would actually be: "He was elected by California, Florida, New York, Texas, Pennsylvania, and a couple of other states." The top ten states in population contain more than half our citizens. Unless you are willing to relinquish complete control of Presidential elections that way, then the College serves a purpose. 
       
    • Don't get me wrong. I'm not convinced it's the best way, but I haven't seen anything created yet that would be MORE fair. Hey, I'm willing to listen. I just haven't heard of a working alternative fair to everyone, which most can agree on. 

    EDIT: Let me put this to you another way. If you disband the Electoral College, then in order to make elections fair, you would have to disband all 50 states and create a very few, larger ones, that are divided by population. In other words, split the US into five sections instead according to roughly even population. Then everyone would be represented fairly. It's the only true democratic method that would have a chance to work. Some of these five 'territories' would be much larger than others, of course. 

    But I don't think anyone wants that. I certainly do not. Assigning Electoral College votes as they do is not the worst idea. Maybe when the Founding Fathers thought it up, it was the best they could do. They were pretty smart guys, but couldn't see into the future. 

    I just read the posts from the first few pages. Prepping? Report on that? Sure. 

    We've been prepared for years. I figure we can do a few weeks easily with full power, all supplies, communications, blah blah blah. They don't call us ADVENTURE Books of Seattle for nothing. You've heard it all before on other sites. I just like to think I'm more careful, less radical, and quiet about my preparations and contingency plans. It's complicated. It's fluid. An ongoing project. 

    My only advice is to assess your particular needs and build from there. 


  17. People like Dr. King, Rosa Parks, Abe Lincoln, and Harriet Tubman were not fools. All of them knew the risks. They chose to do what they thought was right, despite the risks. So did the guys who stormed Omaha Beach, using the military angle of things. 

    That's why they are famous, why we still admire them today, and why we sometimes name streets, holidays, and schools after them. They were people to be respected and remembered. As far as leaders of color stepping up to the Democratic podium, check out CNN or MSNBC occasionally, or take a look at the Democrat nominee for Vice President. 


  18. Off-topic but I thought readers might get a chuckle out of a parody I made of a possible front page of The New York Times. Shutter, who has always been a supporter of what is right and good, can certainly appreciate this. B)

    (*insert evil laugh here*)

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  19. The first time I voted in a Presidential election was in the 1972 Nixon/McGovern race. In that one, McGovern (LOL my guy, of course) took only ONE state and Washington, DC. Nixon got 517 electoral votes. Yeah, it was a butt-kicking beyond belief. I only say this stuff to let you know I've seen a few of these play out. The 26th Amendment lowered the voting age to 18 a year or two previous, so I was able to vote. 

    Over the last four years, we've seen stuff in our politics we haven't seen since the KKK was a powerful and active group. It's even worse now, because over a thousand hate groups are known to be in existence in the US, most of them local or state-based. You can search them out at FBI.gov if you wish. 

    Beyond the Covid, the corruption, the lies, etc there is one thing that really stands out right now. That is voter intimidation. That is going on right now in many states, especially in states that might go blue this election who have previously gone red...although it's going on in one form or another everywhere. This should really make you angry. 

    My unsolicited advice is this:  If you generally skip voting, or only vote once in a blue moon, you should vote THIS election. Not so much because it's your civic responsibility...but you should take the time to turn out just to make your voice heard and to piss off the idiots who don't WANT you to vote. It's time to reject that notion, and show these people that Americans won't stand for it. 

    Remember something. Your right, your ability to vote in or out the people you want to govern you is a RIGHT. And millions of your fellow citizens have given their lives to protect that. They stood up for you. They did the right thing. Many are buried in Arlington, others in battlefields around the world. NEVER FORGET THAT. Do not shame their sacrifices and memories by failing to vote, sitting at home eating Cheetos, and watching the results of the election. Take part in that election. Vote. 

    As the old tenet goes, if you don't vote, you have no right to bitch about the results. 

    I don't care WHO you vote for. That's none of my business, or anyone else's either. Just do it because you have people out there telling you NOT to. You should show them that you can, and you will. 

    I have a saying about Americans in general. Something I've noticed over the years. Americans can be slow to react sometimes, but when they do...they usually act decisively. 

    Act decisively now. 

     


  20. Cooperland is just plain mean sometimes, and is a complete crash-and-burn on cooperation. 

    No wonder people keep coming to me via Quora, WordPress, Facebook, etc. How about some help with the questions?

    Really, now. How bad can we actually be? This was the picture we used on our 2019 Christmas card. 

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  21. I was sent this in an email and asked to quantify...whatever...more uninformed disinformation I will try to correct for you. Yes, I know who said it originally, because the person who sent the email referenced the source. (Mentioned who said these things.) 

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    'Robert claims Kenny lived at the Rainier View Apartments, Number J-3, Sumner, WA. Lyle states in the letter to the FBI he lived at 805 parker road apt 53, Sumner wa. 98390.'

    Robert says: WRONG address. There IS no '805 Parker Road' anywhere in the Puyallup/Sumner/Bonney Lake area. It may be an old reference. The addresses have changed a lot in that area over the years. Back in the day, many addresses started with 'Route 1, Box xxx' etc and went to street addresses as the community grew. You could have figured that out on your own with a simple Google Map search. However, the Rainier View Apartments in Sumner, WA where Kenny lived at the time of the hijacking is still there, although it has been renamed Mountain Vista. They are located at 6205 Parker Rd E, Sumner, WA 98390. (Apt J-3) Sounds like Lyle got the address wrong, since they are somewhat similar. Maybe that's why the FBI never interviewed Kenny. Perhaps they couldn't find him. No, wait. Kenny was already dead by the time Lyle contacted the FBI, whenever the first time was that he did. Right? Confusing, ain't it?  B)  

    Lyle obviously tried to give them Kenny's old apartment address, instead of his actual address in Bonney Lake. Why he mixed that up I haven't a clue. But it is well established that at different times, Kenny lived at the address I just gave, as well as the home in Bonney Lake, which is (was) located at 18414 Sumner-Buckley Hwy E Bonney Lake, WA 98391. Haven't been by there in a while. Someone said they tore the place down, but Google Maps still shows the house with a For Sale sign on the property. But Google doesn't update their satellite photos that often, either. So I wouldn't know without taking a trip up there to look. Kenny also lived in Renton for a while, which is directly east of the SeaTac Airport, but that was back in the 60's.

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    Average yearly income in 1971 was $6,497.08 
    Robert claims Kenny made a measly $512 a month which comes to $6,144.00 a year.

    Robert says:  Kenny's gross wages were stated as $512 BEFORE taxes.  Using a 15% tax rate against Kenny's actual gross yearly income of $6,144 as a baseline, this means his actual income after taxes was $5,223 yearly. Divided by 12 months, this is $435 a month. The Federal Poverty Guideline level for November 1971, (non farm employment) was $4,000 a year, or $333 a month. Using this as a baseline, Kenny made about $25 a week above the Federal Poverty guidelines. I made more than that at my first job (in 1972) filling orders at a warehouse that sold craft supplies. I would imagine that for Kenny to try living on what roughly amounts to $108 a week (take home) could not have been easy, but it could be done. His rent was $125 a month as previously stated. If you throw in the food budget at fifty bucks a week, or even thirty bucks, a modest power bill, commuting costs, etc...well, lets just say you aren't eating out very much or taking party trips to Vegas. 

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    Minimum wage was $1.60 in 1971 which is a little over $3,000 a year.

    Robert says: I don't even think NWA would try hiring people at minimum wage, although knowing how CEO Donald Nyrop operated, I wouldn't be surprised. He would be the kind of guy who gladly pays the ransom...not because he's trying to save lives...but because his jets cost a lot more than $200,000. B) You are comparing apples to oranges. Teenagers flipping burgers at Mickey-D's were paid minimum. 

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    Robert claims Kenny spent $80 a week on food lol..that's over $4,000 a year. you could probably live the whole month on $80.

    Robert says: That was a guess. (And sorry, it would be almost impossible to food shop effectively at $80 a month for one person, even in 1971, unless you were a regular visitor to the food bank or got Food Stamps.) I never got a look at any of Kenny's grocery receipts. In reality, the average family of four spent about $10,000 a year on food, (median) in 1971. A quarter of that is $2,500 a year, or about $50 dollars a week for one person. Yes, $80 a week was probably more than he actually spent. It was the only point you got reasonably correct. Maybe next time you should try going to the source, instead of making assumptions and doing poor research.

    You won't come off like a fool. Not saying you ARE, but some folks might. 

    As far as whatever Lyle received on the sale of the coins and stamps, those numbers came from Lyle himself. He said they went to auction and were sold for much less than they were worth in retail. (An appraisal was done, but Lyle knew that was the value if you tried to sell everything piece by piece, and at auction they would sell for much less.) This matters little, since Kenny was already dead when they were sold, and was done more than twenty years after the hijacking. If you send me an email, or ask here at Dropzone instead of doing remote party line on me all the time, I will be glad to provide you with Lyle's email message text on that. You have this REALLY bad habit of posing questions related to me, without actually having the courtesy to come to me (the source) about it...hoping I will see your uninformed junk on another site. Try asking your questions where I actually hang out. You'll get better results. 

    And when we toss all these numbers around, we also have to remember that when NWA had strikes or work stoppages, no one got paid. Kenny mentioned this in his letters home occasionally when the money stopped coming in. 

    "Those eight million dollar jets are just sitting on the ground..." he complained in one of the letters, as well as, "I'm down to eating the peanut butter." 

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    ^_^:thumbup:


  22. 12 minutes ago, markharju said:

    Nice. I once owned a F. Pietta 1851 Confederate Navy. Fun to shoot and a b*tch to clean, just don't put more than 20gr of FFFg in each chamber or you'll bend that brass frame, case hardening or not. mh

    Only the trigger guard is brass. And the strap on the grip. Remainder is case hardened steel. I won't go near one of them with the brass frame. I usually load 18-22 grains. The Confederate Navy is a good one though, despite the brass frame. It will definitely do the job. At Cabela's they are $200. I have the wedge lubed up so good I can usually just push it free with my thumb. 

    You know I was kind of joking there...I was kidding about Trump's back and forth on the checks and all. Not about what I did with the check, though. The guy is even MORE weird since he came back from the hospital. Thank God the election is coming soon. I don't think he has a dog's chance in hell of a second term now.