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  1. My D.B. Cooper '2020 Year in Review' is now LIVE at WordPress. (Entries at Facebook and Quora as well.) It ain't a pretty thing...but then it wasn't a pretty year for Cooperland, (or anything else) that's for sure.
  2. Those things you say are true. But because Cooper went straight to securing the money bag and then tying it around his waist for the jump, sounds like to me he had some prior experience jumping with a load. Most whoffos (like me) would have tried tying it to their body if they had no experience. Since Cooper jumped with just one working chute, I've wondered if he may have just pulled the ripcord right there at the bottom of the stairs and let it squib out and pull him off safely. A straight freefall jump entails TRUSTING the FBI didn't mess with the chutes, or even if the one he selected actually worked. DZ user '377' aka Mark M and I have shared the same opinion occasionally. Takes a lot of guts to just go down those airstairs in mid-flight with a big load like that and not take some precautions. Especially with those jet engines screaming bloody murder over your head. Maybe he held the money bag close to his body with one hand, and pulled the handle with the other. I think he was grasping the railing on the way down, and then switched hands at the last moment back to the bag before he pulled the handle. Once the chute inflates, he can stabilize and just drop the money bag onto the paracord that was already secured around his waist. When the airstairs finally dropped, they only did so 24-36 inches according to co-pilot Bill Rataczak. That means quite a stoop-over just to get them to drop further so you can get out there and jump. My theory is that Cooper actually BACKED down the stairs with one hand on the rail, letting them drop gradually with his weight, and perhaps pulled the handle when he reached the bottom of the stairs. Try to imagine what that whole scenario of the airstairs dropping after he pulled the handle might be like. You think they will go all the way down, perhaps with hydraulics. Instead...they drop a couple of feet and surprise for you. Now what do you do?
  3. I did take a minute to stop by another Cooper website today and saw this posted by Dudeman: Dudeman: Cooper was seen by Tina Mucklow securing the money bag with lines cut from the working reserve parachute. She also said he attached at least one 'main' (longer) line around the bag and was tying it around his waist. It is doubtful he ditched that whole assembly after she went forward beyond the First Class curtain. He would have to cut all the lines loose, and re-pack everything into the non-working (trainer) reserve container. This does not seem feasible to me, since he jumped fairly quickly after the airstairs showed 'open' on the Flight Engineer's control panel. The reason he probably did it that way is illustrated by the picture below. The most likely scenario on what happened to the non-working reserve is that, like the briefcase, it probably went right out the back and into the night as soon as Cooper dropped the stairs. A possible reason why no one has found either of those things is because they were probably ditched over an area that is privately owned by Weyerhauser Logging. That is the vast area of working forests just north of Ariel. All the access roads are gated and locked, although hunters can apply to enter during hunting season. But in the long run, it is FAR less visited than your typical National Forests, which are wide open to everyone. ABOVE: A general map. 'Headquarters' near the placard indicator is the main entry for Weyerhauser. As of 2020 however, there is some doubt whether that placard found by Carroll Hicks actually belongs to Flight 305. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But if it IS...then this could be the approximate point where Cooper finally got the airstairs down, and the briefcase and phony reserve could be in the forest just south of where the placard was found. I once proposed a search in that general area and got Weyerhauser's permission to do a multi-day camp there. I decided to ditch the idea later, but we had prepared pretty well for it, even including some folks with metal detectors, including the two I own. Found out there was *some* doubt on the placard identification, so I canceled. Here is what it looks like there (placard find) as of 2020: Our basic theory on why a search in the same area should be done was THIS: 1) Cooper drops the airstairs. 2) Either the placard comes off the plane due to the sudden turbulence that resulted, or maybe he tore it off and threw it out...along with tossing out the non working reserve and the briefcase. MOTIVE: To place items on the ground indicating that he may have jumped farther north than he actually did. 3) Also, it is strange that nothing else was found after all these years. Not Cooper so much, or even the money...but the reserve and the briefcase. It was my contention that maybe this is so simply because the missing items landed in an area not heavily visited or used by the public. Or even ACCESSIBLE by the general public. Seemed like a pretty good theory to me. 4) Later, though...Flyjack placed some doubt on whether the found placard actually CAME from 305, so I decided to cancel the search. But the truth is that no one really knows for sure, and if the placard really DID come from 305, then yes...a search should be conducted in the area shown by the pictures. NOTE ABOUT THE ABOVE PICTURE: This area was much more forested, and much LESS developed back in 1971. ABOVE: The road you see in the Google Map blowup is a private road on property owned by Weyerhauser Logging. You need specific permission to enter this area from the company representative, and must meet them in person to obtain a key to the gates. Even today, the only people who go into this area (it's many, many square miles) are the occasional hunter and logging people working for Weyerhauser. Sometimes, eco-type scientists are allowed in as well. But compared to a typical Forest Service area, it is much less visited. In addition, hunters/hikers who HAVE obtained permission to enter these lands are NOT given a key. They park at the gate(s) and must walk in, although there are exceptions if you manage to obtain a key. Most walk in. The nearest gate is over ten miles away from where this placard was discovered. Over the years, restrictions on entry have increased even MORE, due to nasty folks trying to bypass the gates, dump garbage or stolen cars, trash the logging equipment...even trying sneak in there to make methamphetamine. So it is visited even less than it was back in the 70's. The logging company uses their own private forest patrols these days. Yes...evidence could still be lying out there, and without any other evidentiary reference to go on, it seemed sensible to just start where the placard was discovered. ABOVE: When we were considering a second search of the area where the placard was found, I was planning on searching south of the placard location. It was a long shot, and I didn't figure even a team of eight people (that's how many signed up to participate) using metal detectors could cover more than a single square mile at most. But at the time, it seemed like the best approach. The campsite markers are where we considered setting up shop. It's doubtful we would have found anything, but I thought (at the time) it was worth a try.
  4. Since I recently declined on the movie option, I decided to close up the private forum AB hosts to the general public. I only started it in the event I was willing to continue to cooperate with the movie producers on the Cooper picture. That has ended, so a private site is no longer needed. This is not a big deal, since there are only a few members and activity there is very little. What the was a freebie host anyway. Most of my Cooper stuff ends up at WordPress, not this forum or that one. There are enough forums out there on Cooper anyway. One is as good as another. The truth is, I am slowly but surely extricating myself from the Cooper Vortex. I don't mind discussing the case here and there, but I have to move on to other things. I really do. Frankly, it's become kind of boring to me. I had to admit that to myself today.
  5. We only know (according to Geoff Gray anyway) that Cooper OFFERED money to at least one of the stews. We do NOT know whether any of them accepted it. Since accepting any of that money would not only be hard to conceal from FBI agents waiting in Reno, but could possibly land them in Federal prison for a long is extremely doubtful ANY of the stews were foolish enough to accept freshly stolen money obtained by hijacking the airline they worked for. Mucklow especially fits this bill. She was known to her co-workers as a deeply religious, Bible-thumping proselytizer who tried converting damn near everyone except the passengers.
  6. 'Wanted stairs lowered in-flight' covers a lot of ground. When in flight? Right after the wheels left the ground? Two minutes after takeoff, when the jet would have been just a few miles out of SeaTac Airport? Geoff Gray says that the pilots used the radio while on the ground in Seattle (page 76 Skyjack) to call the NWA engineers about Cooper's demand to take off with the airstairs down. This was alleged between pilots and NWA, not the FBI. According to Gray, this is how the whole thing started with the airstairs. It is also common for pilots to consult with the ground crew on anything like this, or if they have a mechanical problem in-flight, so it sounds reasonable to me. Allegedly, NWA engineers told the 305 crew that it was NOT possible to take off with the airstairs in the down position, but flying it that way once they were airborne was quite possible. If you are asking me what Cooper's original jump plan was...I created a map about that long ago, which is shown below: If NWA engineers told the crew they must refuse to open the airstairs prior to takeoff, then it would take more time for Cooper to prepare for the jump. He had to secure the money bag, deal with Tina Mucklow, get his own chute on and secured, and then...get the airstairs released. The whole scenario sounds like the old Murphy's Law of Planning: Cooper's original plan was probably to jump somewhere inside the area shown by the larger blue circle. But with the jet traveling along at three miles a minute, by the time Cooper was ready to go, the jet was probably far south of that point and he simply jumped when he was ready...but BEFORE they reached the Columbia River. Jumping after that point would mean coming down in a major metro area at night...or ker plonking into the Columbia River.
  7. Well, she lives in Florida and to all known reports, she is still alive. There are a few people who know her phone number, since she used to call other Cooper folks all the time. I don't have her number myself. Contact Bruce S at the Mountain News. He knows her number.
  8. In other Cooper news: Some of you know I was in negotiations throughout the month of August about renewal of my option with a couple of film production companies in the LA/Hollywood area. Unlike the other extensions to this option, concerning a movie based on the life of Ken Christiansen and the Cooper story, this time I told them I had some hesitations on signing a fourth renewal. I've come to a decision. I've decided NOT to sign another extension. I'm taking what I have already received and letting the rights to the KC story revert back to me. Some of you will be happy with that decision, others might be disappointed, but my decision is FINAL. There will be no Cooper movie for 2021 unless someone else does it. However, since it IS the 50th anniversary of the hijacking, I wouldn't be surprised if some other movie comes out of Hollywood next year on the subject. Have hope. There are a number of reasons I came to this decision, some of them private, but I will tell you a few that I don't mind sharing. I just spent the last three years writing my autobiography, Cooperland, and because some of the content is(was) covered under the confidentiality agreement I signed with the studios, especially in the later chapters, I could not release the book without violating the agreement. The later content concerns what I actually know about Kenny Christiansen as of, well..NOW...and the rights to that material was owned by the studios. Now all of that reverts back to me, and I am free to release the book as soon as it is ready. And I WANT to release it. I am doing a final edit on it, adding some additional material, and inserting more than 30 images into the book, many from my personal family collection. It will be released at wholesale trade rates in paperback, hardcover with dust jacket, and for the Amazon Kindle. The studios kept stalling me on a press release, which would free me from the confidentiality agreement, and frankly...I got tired of keeping all the secrets for the last three and a half years, without anyone else involved coming forward publicly. Sure, the checks were nice. But I got tired of not a whisper *officially* about the movie being in pre-production except by me. When some people told me they thought there WAS no movie in the works, (because I wasn't allowed to say much about it) I actually sympathized with these people. They had a point, and I never became really angry about it when they said that. I would have said the same things. I did finally release a two-minute promo video at YouTube about the movie, after removing the names of the studios and the people involved from the end of the video. I have since taken down that video from YouTube, along with another one I did on my own on the same subject. (The two-minute promo video was created not by me, but by the studios, who reluctantly allowed me to post it as long as I edited out their names from the ending.) I was not happy with the script. This was one of the biggest reasons I declined to extend the option. The studio paid thousands of dollars to get it written based on both the files we provided to them, as well as the book by Skipp Porteous and myself. This included material not publicly released, which THEY owned as long as I kept signing the option contract and accepting their checks. The script wasn't a total loser, but it was all over the place with the historical record, the KNOWN facts. The studios claimed poetic license, and I had told them at the start they could do that to an extent...yes...but they had to be accurate on what is actually known. I mean the really basic facts. And they were NOT. For example...the script had Himmelsbach working the case on Cooper Day out of SeaTac Airport, which I thought was ridiculous. They also had Mucklow doing things during the hijacking that were actually done by Flo Schaffner, and vice-versa. Some scenes were simply not true at all. And although I had some control over script content, the studios were unwilling to change certain scenes that any decent Cooper fan would know right away were bullshit. It may sound arrogant, but I could have done a better job with that script, and I HAVE done better jobs with scripts. I have two out there right now. One is based on my book, The 13th Day of Christmas. The other is based on the Marjorie Phleger book, Pilot Down, Presumed Dead. I now have an AAR agent, so I may shop these scripts around after we move to SoCal next year. I am also working on a script of my own based on the KC/Cooper story, but that won't be ready for a few months. When I first decided to 'hold out' unless the studios made some kind of minimal announcement in the trades, one of the production staff threatened me with the idea that they could make the movie anyway, and just change around all the names. Frankly, this REALLY pissed me off. It was an empty threat of course, because the whole script is based on the Blast book, as well as the tons of files we sent to them. And I already knew no one in Hollywood will take on a movie project where outright plagiarism is involved. You can't even get insurance, and the third-party escrow companies who pay the bills on making motion pictures won't touch stuff like that either. But...just the suggestion pissed me off royally. They later retracted that statement and apologized, but at that point, I decided to play hardball with them. Either they do a minimal press release, or I walk. They kept stalling instead. So I made the decision for them. I walked. Frankly, I don't really need the money anyway. Not enough to go along with these studios' plan to alter the known facts in the case. I was recently gifted a house down near Oceanside, CA that is worth approximately three times what would have been my share from this movie. Plus, my parents hold a trust fund for me worth about six times as much as the movie payments would be. Compared to that, I'm not willing to toss my reputation out there on a 'stylized' production just for some easy money. Believe it or not, I do have certain standards, and I'm not that desperate. Because of the reasons above, I refused to sign an extension. If it wasn't going to be a quality production, then they can find someone else. I do get to keep all the money they paid me previously, and I am satisfied with that. It came to a modest five figures in the end. And the Blast book continues to do extremely well worldwide each month via wholesale/Ingram at the trade rate, although somewhat less at Amazon in retail. So the situation isn't a total loss. So...except for the possible (and final) DB Cooper Campout late next spring, I am basically OUT of the Cooper business with the media. I'm still open to the idea of a movie, but I will be negotiating the arrangements a little more closely next time. As those job ads sometimes say: 'Serious only need apply.' Now that I don't have to keep secrets any more, I can tell you that the actor I met in Seattle to discuss this picture back in January 2018 was Nick Robinson, (representing his small production company Hi-Top as an exec producer, he had no plans to appear IN the movie) and the major film production company was Lionsgate. A third studio was involved, but I am not going to name them here because they were the ones who threatened to just change the names around and do the picture anyway. (Both Nick and Lionsgate were very nice, and I never had a problem with them.) As Butch said to Sundance at the end of the famous movie, when he talked about going to Australia: "Secretly, I figured you wanted to know..." Darren over at the Cooper Vortex has known about Nick for over a year, and even though we've had some differences, I do appreciate that Darren did not reveal that publicly. I want to thank him for that. Some people will be happy with this news. Others will be disappointed. Neither matters much to me. You can comment on all this as you wish. Positive or negative, you won't hurt my feelings. Or you can say nothing. That's fine too. But my decision is final. I did not accept their check, and I let the option expire as of August 31. I have no regrets that I made the right choice. My autobiography should be out right around the time we're hosting (depends on Covid) our final DB Cooper campout next year. I have to do some additions to the final chapters, and add the images. After that, I will be headed to sunny southern California for good. If you would like to read the first couple of chapters of that book, just go HERE.
  9. I will buy all that and swallow it with a big wooden spoon, except for two caveats: 1) Cooper was very careful to leave little, if any, evidence behind. Yet for some reason he casually discards the tie over a seat as if he wasn't worried about it. Why? 2) There is no chain of evidence on the tie. He could have borrowed it. He could have picked it up for a dime at a Goodwill store. No one knows the personal history of it. (Manufacturing history you seem to have established.)
  10. Point of order...neither Dave or Eric post here...both of them lack the courage to do so. That's been known for a while. I'm going to give you some unwanted advice, Flyjack. Either start quoting them by link (allowed), or stop addressing them third-party at a site where not everyone knows what in the holy hell you are talking about, or whom you are referring to. We don't all hang out at the unnamed website where you keep arguing with the members there. It's kind of weird, you know. Either that, or come to the Everything D.B. Cooper Space at Quora, and reach a real audience with your stuff by signing up as a contributor. Those guys over there are a waste of time. Until they decide to check in at the Reality Hotel, it's no use doing second-party with them. No one is listening to them much anymore anyway, because they also associate themselves with negative junk...some of it from their biggest members. This has a habit of dragging the whole place down. And trust me on this: More people than you think are figuring it out.
  11. I recently posted an article to Quora when I was sent the question: 'Which Murder Disturbs You The Most?' I didn't even have to think twice about it. It still affects me on a personal level, even today. Trust me. It's worth a look. Just goes to show that not EVERYTHING I do or think about is Cooper-related.
  12. Yes, they tried to wash the money in the sink. It didn't work. Smoke and Fire Report: It is very bad all over Washington state. A couple of air quality monitors down by the Columbia, east of Portland (White Salmon is one) are pegged out at the max of 500. Here in Auburn, which is about twenty miles south of Seattle, it is close to 300 which is pretty bad. Beijing for example, is running about 70, so you can imagine how bad it is here. I have two AC's running with filters on the outlet, and these AC's are set to recirculate, NOT to draw air in from outside. Also have two large HEPA air filter machines going that I picked up from Amazon a couple of years ago when this smoke stuff happened the first time. Pretty weird outside. Sky is a sick yellowish color and looks like rain is coming, but it isn't clouds but smoke out there. Inside our home I think the air is okay, but not quite like normal. In 2017 and 2018 it was also bad...and the first time these smoke events hit Seattle. Then in 2019 we got a break. Some people thought it was just a freak event, and that 2019 was the year we returned to normal. WRONG. Here we are in 2020 and it's the worst smoke event ever. I don't see it getting any better next year...the year after that...or the year after THAT. Personally, I believe we've reached what Al Gore calls the tipping point, at least on the prevalence of wildfires and their accompanying smoke...which I also think are semi-permanent for summer now. Mt Rainier National Park takes up a nice chunk of the map in Washington state. So far, the fires in California have consumed an area about TWELVE times larger than the park and continue to burn. It's hard to imagine. Here in Washington, if the numbers started maxing out everywhere, it's tough to say where people could actually GO to escape it. We're talking about all three west coast states with this problem. I would probably try camping out for a while near Carbon Lake, just outside the Mt Rainier park. Numbers at the Mud Mountain Dam have been in the green throughout all this. One thing I DO know about these smoke events is that the higher you get, the less the smoke is. I take a couple of trips to the San Diego/Oceanside area each year. On one of them, we were in the middle of a bad smoke event. I noticed from the plane that once we got above a few thousand feet, the sky was pretty clear but you could not see a single thing on the ground. Just a thick yellow blanket of crap. And meanwhile...the air gets worse because this heavy blanket of smoke also holds in other contaminants like car exhaust, emissions from manufacturing, etc. I went to the Fred Meyer's this morning and purposely goofed off in there for two hours...because their filtration system worked so well it was like breathing normal air. I moved all our cleaning jobs off to late next week, too. The heck with going out.
  13. The article is a bit hard to read without blowing it up a bit, but I saw where Himmelsbach was still going with some false assumptions: 1) He says: "Unlike the money, Cooper is biodegradable..." WRONG. Both Cooper AND the money are biodegradable. In fact, in the long scheme of things, remains of a body would probably survive a lot longer than paper money. 2) (paraphrased) "We know none of the money was found in circulation..." Another myth. Himmelsbach fails to note, although Agent Larry Carr DID...that most banks gave up the search for the bills within three months of receiving the bill list, and virtually all of them abandoned the effort within no more than six months. Larry Carr asserts this himself in his radio interview with Steven Rinehart, the one linked at the bottom of the Cooper page at Wikipedia. There is also the results of my phone interview with the Treasury officer who worked at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving for more than 30 years when I interviewed him. In a nutshell, he said not a chance in hell would BEP or the Fed banks check all their incoming twenties for years, as Himmelsbach used to claim was happening. He said both entities, the BEP and the Fed Banks, had to deal with truckloads (his words) of currency each week. An order came down from the FBI...and it was basically ignored. The Treasury guy told me they might do it for a few days, a week or two at most, and then they would have abandoned the job as impossible. You are dealing with Federal employees here. (Think: Post Office and bureaucrats) So this does not surprise me a bit.
  14. 'Yes DAVE, your site is a clown show, a toxic environment that YOU enable.. ' I agree with that assessment, and I have heard similar (but more polite) comments from some media types. It started out okay, but when the main players over there began supporting each other, no matter how ridiculous they became either THERE or at their own websites...nobody involved with Dave's place questioned it. Some examples: 1) Saying they hoped Bryan Woodruff would be able to reopen the store after Dona Elliott's death...but steadfastly standing against my efforts to help him, and sending him emails that eventually helped turn Bryan against both me and AB of Seattle. To make things worse, they now have a special 'memorial' thread to Bryan, which is one of the most phony things I have ever seen them do. It's true that Bryan got a bit miffed at us after the fundraiser, but it's also true that if Bryan didn't want our help, and didn't want to involve us in this fundraiser...he would have said so before accepting nearly $3,000 in assistance from us. I probably could have worked things out with Bryan shortly after the fundraiser and told him about my mother's generous offer to front up the money to re-open the place, but members of Dave's place couldn't wait to jump in there with jealous emails and trash any chance Bryan had to change his mind. The day after the fundraiser, Bryan sent me these emails. That's when I knew that certain members at Dave's place were more than willing to trash any chance Bryan had to reopen...simply because they didn't like ME being involved. It was one of the lowest, and most selfish things I had ever seen anybody do to someone else in the Cooper case. The only one hurt was Bryan. NOW they come with a memorial page. It's the phoniest BS I have ever seen. They should have supported anything and everything regarding that store, without making popularity contest decisions...while Bryan was still alive. The better alternative if they actually CARED about Bryan and the store would have been send him emails downplaying the negative (Bryan was bit touchy sometimes) and encouraging him to accept our support, since it was probably the best chance he had to accomplish his goals. Instead, they went after me with Bryan...and slammed the door on any chance Bryan had to reopen. 2) They support Bruce S completely, one of their biggest contributors, while Bruce allows filthy comments on his MN every time he posts up a new article. The Peanut Gallery comes out with their usual 'Blevins' stuff and fill up the comments. I don't care about this much anymore, mainly because I know it's causing damage to Bruce's reputation, and detracts from the substance of the articles. I figure Bruce is almost at the obsessive point with me. And trust me...I have NO problem taking screenshots of all that for later use. This scenario only proves that Dave's place is slanted toward a few key members simply to keep the whole thing going. But except for the actual people involved, I don't think anyone's paying much attention anymore. 3) But the worst thing about all this isn't the personalities involved, many of whom I agree are clowns. The worst thing is that they post up links to this bit of evidence or that...but only registered members can actually SEE the links to anything they post. It's the silliest way to run a public website I've ever seen. At least at Dropzone the public gets to see any evidence people post on the case. I have never understood this policy, unless Dave's worried he can't afford the bandwidth. What happens with a policy like that is if a member posts up about their latest book, a media contact, or something they want the public (or other media) to see...the public CAN'T see it, which is self-defeating for those members, most of whom have supported the site from the start. Before anyone points out that AB has a private website on the case, understand that our site was established as private from the very start, and was never meant to be public. And the reason it was established that way, (at least in part) was to avoid problems from people who hang out at another site...who also contribute nothing to DZ, but don't mind quoting the DZ site all day. So for the public stuff, it's Dropzone. For the private, we have the EDB Cooper Forum. For the folks who support each other no matter what, and exclude everyone else...there is Dave's place. On a side note, we DO have a VERY public site on Cooper where contributors are welcome. That is the Everything DB Cooper Space at Quora dot com. Any post made there by a contributor...a link and a preview to that post goes out automatically by email to about 2,000 people who signed up for the feed. This opportunity is the best one available in Cooperland, yet hardly anyone takes advantage of it. In addition, sometimes your post will be shared not only by others, but by Quora staff themselves, who sometimes kick your post out to up to 10,000 additional users at Quora, although the average is 1,000-5,000. That's about as inclusive and public as it gets. So it isn't like we don't give Cooper folks the biggest opportunity to reach people that exists today in the Cooper Community. Just because you may not like me personally...there's no use in being foolish about the whole thing. I can tell you this much about Quora and the Cooper Space there. If it didn't views there to content would be a lot less than the 3.2 million they sit at today. Dave's place doesn't even come close to that. Frankly, it's one of the reasons why Blast continues to sell at a steady rate, month after month, for the last nine years. In fact, sales picked up considerably after I established that site at Quora, although I don't use it to advertise the book. I don't have to. Your profile and your content views do that for you easily. The screenshot below of my profile there pretty much sums it up for the people who say 'No one listens to him.' Wake up and smell the coffee. There are other games in town, you know. Click on picture for a better view...of REALITY. I would say that pretty much sums up the situation. Since no one is likely to change any of their approaches anytime soon, then you have to deal with things as they are.
  15. Over at the private forum, the action is slow...but we did pick up a couple of new members yesterday. One of them was interviewed for Darren's podcast. If you don't want everything you post to be copied over to 'that other place' then this is a hint for you. I don't know what else to suggest. 'They' do that over there, without even having the courtesy to address your posts where they originate, although 'they' are here looking at everything DZ on a daily basis. Technically, I don't have a problem with that. I used to do the same thing to 'them'. But when I did...they would complain to our server host. On the other hand, they would quote ME over THERE and say whatever they wished about all that, without worrying I would respond directly. It's no longer a big deal to me, since I have quit harping on about KC and often post up the more social aspects of the Cooper case, rather than any direct evidence on KC or other suspects. As far as your (Flyjack) work on the Tina Bar information, I would say your research is solid. I don't know what they're saying over at 'the other place,' but since they also support Bruce S and his allowing of hate-based posts to his MN site, and support other major posters who haven't a clue, this is to be expected.
  16. You should know by now that's what they do over there. The reason they don't come HERE to address your stuff where it actually gets posted is because Dave and company can't control the conversation. Over there they can. They are afraid of Dropzone. They haven't said so of course, but once in a while you read posts saying they wish it would go away. They were even rooting for the spammer who dumped hundreds of XXX-rated porn onto this site. People who go that route don't need to be judged, because everyone knows they are a closed clique who will support anyone in that clique who is an active member...even if the stuff they post is either a lie, or something out of the Twilight Zone. Some of their biggest contributors actively support attacks on other Cooper investigators (and sometimes their families) as well. So you have to expect they aren't going to change that behavior. To me, it doesn't matter. I no longer visit there and I am more than happy to provide examples of that behavior to certain key people. I don't volunteer it, but it is gladly provided. Bruce S is the biggest example. He doesn't know what I know, but if he did, he wouldn't like it. I would have emailed him about the situation, but he tells lies about my emails, doesn't read them as far as I can tell, so I quit messaging him months ago. Pretty mysterious, huh? Not really.
  17. I understand the significance of the soda cans. Your theory makes sense. Here in Cooper Country, to borrow a term from Bruce S, the situation is not good. We have wildfires going all over the state, and some of them in non-typical places for wildfires, such as my hometown of Sumner, WA. One of our former cleaning customers lost their home due to the recent Bonney Lake/Sumner wildfire, but the good news is that it wasn't actually THEIR house anymore because they had sold it earlier this year and moved to another town about twenty miles away. A beautiful place, it had been built only two years ago. Bonney Lake/Sumner is less than ten miles from where I live now. I grew up on a small farm there, and was a junior at Sumner High when the Cooper caper happened. Over in eastern Washington, more fires rage on, almost beyond the capacity of firefighters to deal with them. An entire small town, Malden, wiped out. Even the Fire Department building burned down. Malden is just south of Spokane, WA. Other fires rage further north, and more toward the central part of the state. Some are so large they remind me of what Chief Dan George said in the film, The Outlaw Josey Wales. "Hell is coming to breakfast." And it certainly is. Facebook pages are springing up where people just post to let others know they're still alive, even if their homes have burned to the ground. Everyone wonders what will happen NEXT year. Meanwhile, the winters become milder and the summers much hotter and drier. It's a recipe for a Great Northwest disaster on an unprecedented scale. Sometimes I wonder what will be left in ten years. Then you have the constant riots and the scourge of Covid, and an economy that is rapidly going into the toilet. In one of these eastern Washington fires just today, a young couple with a one-year-old baby were trapped while trying to escape the flames in their truck, and were forced to abandon it and run for the Columbia River. The baby died, and the couple were burned so badly that they were evacuated to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle with major burns, critical condition. The wife is pregnant with their second child as well. It's one of the saddest stories to come out of all this. The Evans Canyon fire near Wenas, WA (near to Naches) continues to burn. A few years ago I camped up there (above Mud Lake) when I owned the Subaru wagon. (Picture below) I remember not even doing a campfire because everything was bone-dry. Washington state governor Jay Inslee is becoming very vocal on the cause of all these fires, and he blames it on global warming. I am of the same opinion. Hell...even if there WAS any Cooper evidence remaining in Washington, you'd think that eventually the fires will wipe it out. (In the picture, which was taken in 2005, that is not smoke in the background, but FOG, since it was an early-morning shot snapped in the fall.) And this is a situation that increases exponentially. In other words, the worse it gets...the faster it gets worse...because the massive amounts of smoke created by these constant wildfires also increases the amount of heat trapped by sunlight. For a while, I was considering collaborating on a book with Weather Underground's Jeff Masters titled 'The Burning of the West,' but he said there are already a few books about it out there already. *(I proposed editing the thing and adding personal stories and pictures from people, while he did the technical side of the book.) I have experienced a shift in my thinking over the last year. Frankly, the Cooper thing is becoming secondary to me. In fact, it's rapidly dropping off my 'care about this issue' list. Covid-19 has put the brakes on almost everything in Hollywood, and I can't tell you with any certainty if they will actually MAKE the movie on Cooper that I signed to assist on. And even MORE frankly...I don't even care much anymore. It's not like I actually need the money. They tell me they still want to do the picture, but we will see. I'm starting to look at the future, and that future means moving closer to my family, my grown-up kids and THEIR kids, none of whom live in the Northwest. Cooper country is rapidly becoming a smoky hellhole with awful traffic, high rents, bad roads, high taxes, and (sometimes in summer) worse air pollution than Beijing, China. What was once one of the prettiest places to live in America is turning to SHIT. Right now I have two air conditioners going, along with two expensive indoor air filters, and it is barely tolerable. Who the hell wants to live like THAT? You might call this a 'Facebook' type post, but I see the same posts at other Cooper websites, especially from Bruce S and Dave B, who discuss their problems regarding either storms that plague Florida, or Bruce's worries regarding Covid-19. I would say we've all reached a point in Cooper country where the environment we helped create on a worldwide scale is now affecting our daily lives here, our welfare, and possibly our futures. In my opinion, the combination of the constant fires, the economy, Covid, and the rioters smashing windows and participating in violence...all these things have made the Great Northwest a shadow of what it once was...with no end in sight. When I finally pack up next year and move to Oceanside, CA I won't miss this place a bit. And the surprising thing is that a year ago, I thought I would miss it a lot. Now I look forward to leaving for good. That is the saddest thing of all, for me personally anyway.
  18. I read a comment elsewhere recently saying that I use DZ for my Facebook. This comes from the same people who pick on DZ Cooper, but never participate. And think they know everything.
  19. Looting and burning under the excuse of protesting, an American right, just makes people take a blind eye to the issues these protesters are allegedly angry about. A good example are the famous Watts (LA) riots in the 1960's. By the time it was over, the original reason for the riots (a black woman, mother of a man being arrested for DUI, being kicked in the gut) was completely forgotten. All people remember now is burning, looting, and almost forty square miles of LA turned into a war zone for a week. All that really happened afterward was a mass migration of white families OUT of the neighborhoods where the riots occurred. The inequality remained, and the police didn't change their tactics until the Rodney King incident decades later. And even that hasn't stuck very well, because the cops are still doing the same things they were doing back during Watts, and to an extent the Rodney King incident. Only these days they try not to be as obvious about it. Why? Because they want to be seen as somehow more just? Of course not. They just don't want to be the cause of another riot. On the other hand... The March on Washington, Freedom Marches, Freedom Bus Rides, lunch counter sit-ins in Whites Only restaurants etc got an entire government to change the laws. If Martin Luther King, Jr were alive today, he would speak out against the violence and the looting, because he knew that only distracts from the real issues. The biggest problem with the BLM and the protests against the police in general is that these people have no MLK Jr to follow. They strike out blindly without an agenda, they are not organized on a national level very well with a high-profile leader, and these are not good things if you are trying for real change.
  20. I don't think readers at Dropzone understand your Sioux City soda pop reference. Are you responding to more stuff from Dave's site? If so, I quit going there anyway and removed the shortcut from my desktop. No big deal, just saying. I have enough Cooper stuff going here and at the private forum, plus Facebook and Quora Cooper. Same with Bruce's site. I bailed. Flyjack: If you are going to answer that site by proxy, using DZ, you should post up a reference from the other site so people will know what you are referring to. No big deal, as I said. But it's confusing otherwise. Packed up late this afternoon and returned home from the camping trip. Most of the trip involved the testing of different systems and gear and very little Cooper. Tested the long-range all-band radio, (meh, not THAT good a radio). My cheapie AM/FM portable did better. The Baofeng ham radio, (Good. Was able to hear transmissions 60 miles away.) Still learning. Can't transmit anything yet because I am still working on my FCC license. The ten foot movie screen and the media projector, (excellent, nothing like watching Robinson Crusoe on Mars in the Criterion version on big screen in the middle of nowhere) and other stuff. Did interactive tests with the different power systems I use with all the gear to see what can be powered this way or that way. Results good. These tests are in anticipation of hosting one final DB Cooper Campout late next spring...IF Covid allows. (Questions I had included: What can you power, and how much, using the deep cycle/inverter system? How much can you power using a generator and 250 feet of extension cord to keep out the noise? Etc.) After next June, I will no longer be living in WA state so this is the last public event I ever sponsor here related to Cooper. And because of Covid, I don't even know if we will be able to do it, but I'm planning just in case we can. Several people have already said they will definitely attend if we can do it. I've already committed up to a thousand dollars for this, which will, frankly speaking, be one big friggin' party. The Last Blast, as they say. I sure hope they get a handle on Covid before next June, otherwise it is no go. For this one, I'm dragging out ALL the Cooper media and 'the stuff,' which includes the cover for the hiding place the Decoded cast found in Kenny Christiansen's old house so people can see it for themselves. Critics can say what they wish about it, but one fact is indisputable. The only way into that attic is by using a tall ladder and removing a six-sided attic vent with a screwdriver. And you have to ask yourself why Kenny would go to the trouble of nailing side boards into the joists and then hauling that big board up there to use as a cover for the spot he created by doing that. It was also covered in insulation. The spot was located right over what was KC's bedroom. A strange thing to do unless you really didn't want someone to find whatever you had inside it. I went up there later and it took me a half hour to remove the attic cover, retrieve the board, and take it home. (Permission was granted by the owner, who ran a print shop there.) When I read my email this evening, I got an answer on why both Bruce S's part and my part were cut from the upcoming The Mystery of D.B. Cooper. At least I didn't get dumped for the reasons Bruce did, but I'm not saying why publicly on him. If he wants to know, he knows how to reach me. Otherwise, he can guess, or inquire on his own. Producers said they dumped my bit from the film because it was just too much material (two day shoot) for an 80-minute movie. I was okay with it because I said some things on camera that were probably covered under the confidentiality agreement I have with the studios in Los Angeles. And the day after the shoot ended, I immediately regretted shooting off my big mouth. It was a relief when I got the news. In Bruce's case, it was a different story entirely. And the really good part is they paid me several hundred dollars in cash in a big white envelope just for going on camera for two days. I see that as a no-lose situation. Why? Because I got to shoot my mouth off about stuff I wasn't supposed to reveal, got paid for it, and then all that material went away. Ha. We have an air quality event going here. In two hours, the Kent Air Monitoring Station (a mile from here) went from a 15 (very good) to well over 200 (very unhealthy). East winds are blowing in wildfire smoke and FAST. Map below of where I actually was when I made that short post back there the other day. Amazing you could post to the internet from so far out in the sticks, just using a smartphone. At the last minute, I decided to skip going to Trap Pass and head up to the High Lake (my name for it) instead. I just didn't want to try the 40+ water bars in the road leading up to Trap Pass again. Not on a 2-3 day campout. High Lake is closer, but still a good 25 miles from any paved road. All in all, it was a fun trip. Hope you all had a great Labor Day. EDIT: Still don't understand the significance of the soda can, although I'll assume it has something to do with Tina Bar. If this is some Cooper Forum response, you should say what reference. Not everyone at DZ goes to Dave's place. EDIT: Approved another member for the private forum. He messaged me and thought he had been rejected. He mentioned DZ, so I had to go to the forum and see if he meant THAT. Sure enough, there he was. I told him in a message later that we weren't DZ. The site is still relatively inactive, but I have no problem with that. Enough to do already. I figure the site is 'for later' anyway. However, BIG BIG secrets live there. You should join like YESTERDAY. Just kidding. No, there isn't. My philosophy for the site is three-fold. First, people will value something more that isn't easy to obtain. Second, I wanted a private spot for Cooper discussions, which is non-existent in Cooperland. Last, I wanted a place where hatred and lies about others are NOT allowed. Simple philosophy.
  21. Well I made it to my selected camping spot. No problems.
  22. Late Update: I see a couple of people are trying to join the private forum. My apologies, but I can't address any of them until I return next week. Have patience, I will get around to them if I can through the smartphone, but it's more likely I will do it on our main office computers after I come back. I don't have an unlimited data plan. Some folks have the mistaken idea I spend most of my internet time either at DZ or cruising other Cooper forums. The truth is I spend most of my time at a Nissan support forum, Quora, or occasionally Facebook, where I need to stop following the cat pages I do. My news feed is full of posts from them LOL. Below is 'Coco' the Office Cat from AB. Our latest in a long line going back to 2003. No worries. It's a breakaway collar with a bell. I never use fixed collars on cats. Way too dangerous. I put up the above picture at Facebook when some people asked who all the Office Cats were. The Christmas card photo for 2019. People liked it better than just showing US. We're BORING. It was business. And lunch. Beyond all the crazy junk that is sometimes Cooperland, I do wish you all a fun Labor Day holiday. Will I have fun? You can bet on it. I get to take the truck shown above packed full of gear to the high country to live in style AWAY from Covid for almost a week. I won't list the gear. You probably wouldn't believe it anyway. Let's just say comfort and entertainment, along with relaxation is the main agenda. Have a great Labor Day, Cooper fans.
  23. Flyjack: And I will admit I was a supporter of that myth. Guess I should have looked closer at the list or something. A good find on your part. I will have to change one point I made in a certain Cooper-related article for WordPress. Still...with 34 pages of so of 10,000 different numbers, I imagine tellers at banks in the Pacific Northwest didn't enjoy checking EVERY twenty that crossed their counter. This is probably why most PNW banks gave up the effort within six months or less of receiving the list. (Source: Radio interview with Larry Carr. It's the Steven Rinehard interview, down at External Links at the bottom of the DB Cooper page at Wikipedia.) Tellers probably complained about having to do it as well. I don't know what tellers are paid now, but it wasn't THAT much back in 1971-72. My first wife was a trust account officer for the former 'Bigfoot's Bank' in Seattle, (Washington Mutual) and her paychecks weren't that great. She worked there 75-78. I will probably do a Cooper-related video while I'm out there, and one that isn't. The Cooper video will NOT be about Bryan or the store. I don't see the point of it. Earlier today I reviewed pages at a certain forum from about #96 onward for a while. And what I saw was people saying they hoped Bryan would succeed in restoring the store, but many of the following posts found one reason or another to pick on AB's efforts there. And I already know that to top it all off, some of you sent Bryan some really poison-pen emails right around the time of the event. You didn't like anything we were doing, you didn't like me, and said so. Sometimes I fought back on you once I realized you weren't supporting our effort. Back and forth, back and forth. THIS forum, THAT forum, some OTHER forum maybe. Gradually, the whole thing escalated because you couldn't stand the idea of AB of Seattle trying to help. I had to fight you guys off, as well as trying to stand and deliver for Bryan. And yes, you managed to turn Bryan against the only person who was willing to step up to the plate and really help him. Besides 377, and my thanks still goes out to him. In the end, the only loser was the store. Meyer Louie gave it to straight. You just didn't want to believe it. No worries, though. That was the last time I will EVER stick my neck and my wallet out for any DB Cooper-related event, with one exception. We might do one last Cooper Campout late next spring if Covid is no longer a factor. Other than that, I am out of the public DB Cooper business. I don't mean the internet. I mean the Real World. I will be headed for six days tomorrow noon for a vacation I truly deserve. And I am glad of that. Maybe I will try to do a couple of pictures via the smartphone. We'll see. Sometimes service is good, sometimes it isn't.
  24. I was pleasantly surprised today to see that we picked up a couple of new members at the private forum, and (finally) some people are beginning to post here and there. I went ahead and joined in. It's refreshing to admin a site that is both private, and doesn't let their members engage in hate-based postings. The funny thing is that the people who HAVE jumped through the hoops to come on board aren't the types to do that anyway. It's nice, but being used to the Crazy World of the Cooper Vortex it is hard to get used to sometimes . Prepping this evening for the Labor Day trip. I got the new Baofeng radio and programmed a few frequencies into it. Forest Service stuff and NOAA weather mostly. Still learning. Never had a ham radio before, but I plan to study for the license and get one. Should be something public soon on the Cooper movie. I was told this today from those nice folks in Los Angeles. I actually refused a four-figure check from them until they do this. That's how people figure out you are serious. There's nothing like putting your money where your mouth is that tells people who is giving you the straight story, and who is full of crap. I understand that Bryan at Ariel Store sent several disparaging emails out to members of a certain Cooper forum, and that these emails talked badly about me and AB of Seattle. Of course, it was not ME who caused this problem. It all started when those same people sent their poison-pen emails at THE START, when we were organizing and hosting the fundraiser, helping turn Bryan against us. No matter what Bryan was convinced was true, when it was actually NOT true...I have no regrets and still remain The Only Person in Cooperland (besides '377') who tried to help Bryan, while others simply tried tearing down our efforts out of jealousy. Let's cut to the chase here. If you guys over there at the Forum Which Shall Not Be Named had done the sensible thing and supported our efforts...there would almost certainly be some version of the famous landmark still existing today. could have said nothing at all, instead of actively trying to trash our efforts...and there would almost certainly be some version of the famous landmark still existing today. There is no getting around the fact that others started this whole scenario, not US. I should post the emails that Bryan forwarded to me that were coming to HIM around the time of the fundraiser, but people would file a complaint against me here at Dropzone. So I will not stoop to doing that. Owning an expensive speedboat does not establish your credibility. It just means you own an expensive speedboat. I try not to judge people TOO much, but I also don't judge them by the size of their bank accounts, but by their character, which is a much better way to do it. It's really tough to convince people you are sincere when you allow hateful comments to your own websites. It's like those protesters who want you to believe they are supporting an honest issue on the one hand...while they trash stores and start arson fires with their OTHER hand. Your message is lost and few will believe you except your current supporters. These people who do similar things in Cooperland will try to tell you 'the way things were' regarding the Ariel Store and Bryan. It's hard to reconcile all those other actions though...and still come on to people like an altar boy.
  25. I'm sure the people involved in hauling off and prepping for burial those 1,000 or so Americans who are still dying each day from Covid-19 will support THAT story... They WON'T you say? Hmm. What a joke of an article. If you want to compare that number to something else, consider this: That correlates to about the same number of people we lost in the 8-10 year period of the Vietnam a mere 48 days or so. And in roughly the last six months, we've already lost FOUR TIMES the number of people killed in that war...from the virus.