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Follow the money. I don't see what this has to do with Prohibition. It's not the worst idea. I'd prefer to see some kind of incentive from the federal government and insurance providers to have interlock devices installed on vehicles.

I guess we can chalk this up to ANOTHER mass shooting at a "gun free zone". Schools, dayscares, businesses that ban possession on premises, parades... Are we seeing the trend here people? I think it's contingent upon businesses that ban guns to have ACTIVE means to check and ensure nobody sneaks one in. It's their choice, but then it's their responsibility to protect those inside. Clearly they are failing with the current policy of - "Post a Sign and bury head in sand" Still does not solve the problem. In the real world much of the gun violence takes place in "the other america". Address the issues that cause us to have "other americas" and we will see a massive drop in gun violence and then the fringes "random nutters, domestic abusers", etc. If the government can manage to address the real issue then they will have a lot more credibility in my eyes when it comes to addressing "pre-crime".

I'm just thinking that it's probably reasonable to assume that there individuals at the event who had firearms besides the police and the shooters. But given the nature of the event (drinking) and the location (high concentration of prohibited individuals), it would have been real improbable that a legal ccw holder would have been in the position to do anything and an illegal holder would be fuuuucccked if they did. Kind of makes the original argument come off as ill conceived.

What people do you know about with guns that did nothing to prevent or stop the shooting? The police?

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Relatively easy. I know people who are printing the magazines and are currently working on the "Liberator" file. That said, with 100K downloads....someone is going to lose some fingers.

Not just internet businesses, but small brick and mortar businesses that people seem to think this will help. Many small businesses already have an online presence via ebay, amazon or others. A number of these businesses would have already been taken out by the big box stores if they did not seek sales online. Many of these small businesses are going to suffer. However you may feel about the issue, don't get any warm and fuzzy feelings thinking the small brick and mortar business is the winner here.

Kabobs. With salad and a few side dishes. I try to get as many meat, vegetable and fruit options available. People seem to have fun making their own "masterpiece". However, I'm now looking forward to trying a fondue.

Stanford will weight in now. http://m.news10.net/localnews/article?a=243286&f=1286

[Reply]What grinds my "hypothetical situation" gears is wondering what they would have told him if he'd told them to fuck off until his lawyer arrived. Why, what in the world could you be implying? The USA does not torture. That said, what's the legality of drug administration for the purposes of interrogation?

Yes, realism moreso. I'm sorry, but when I have crap on my facebook wall about: Sandy Hook being a conspiracy to take guns away and that those kids never really died Chemtrail nonsense Boston Bombings being an 'inside' government job Boston Bombings being photoshopped and didn't really happen Dark Knight Rises being a ploy to introduce Satanism in a guise Birther nonsense Nanothermite being the cause of 9/11 building collapses ....and so on, I lose a lot of faith in peoples ability to think rationally. On the plus side, I've identified and removed a lot of idiots from my facebook feed

Grains of truth and what not. I think it's healthy to take a skeptical view considering history, but I think some take it to far when EVERYTHING is a government conspiracy...it's disheartening. Conversely, it's also quite disheartening to see the individuals that buy the official narratives without question. Skepticism is healthy.

Right on! I concur. When considering Ann, there's the whole Bill Maher history to consider as well..... God knows what that guy was doing in the 80's and 90's.

Again, I can't see this going on without approval from Washington. And if that's correct, I'm sure they did not make the decision without getting a legal counsel. Maybe that legal counselor at some point worked closely with police, but I think they would be out of a job real quick if they defended the decision by saying it was "emotional".

The issue is framed as if it's the individual cops that decided, as if they were some mob, to conduct these house to house searches. It was not the cops, but the upper "brass" that made this decision and I'm willing to bet they cleared it with Washington first, if the directive did not originate from there in the first place...and those guys know better. I'd be more than willing to cut the cops slack, but not the guys at the top who are making the calls. That said, I agree with your original argument. It would be absolutely stupid to fight the cops in that circumstance. Turn your recording device on, politely refuse to exit your house and refuse entry. If they cross the threshold put up zero resistance and comply. If so inclined, sue them later. It's not worth an ass beating or defending yourself in court on BS charges. Better to be on the legal offense than defense in this case.

What if it was 12 guys? Where is the demarcation point?

So your calling the police stupid? That does not make sense as you seem to be justifying their actions.

Something reasonable would be setting up a zone. Asking permission to enter homes and getting warrants for homes where there was no answer or a refusal to enter if there was reasonable suspicion to believe that the homeowners were being held against their will. In any place they enter without consent the homeowners have complete immunity. The homeowner could have a pile of dead hookers in their basement and they can't be charged.

This is the video I've been waiting for since the search began. The day of the bombing we had gun legislation before the senate and there was a vocal group that warned the legislation was a per-cursor to "home invasions" like this. The legislation fails, but we still get the "home invasions". I'd throw a few laugh icons on this one if it did not scare the shit out of me. If a pressure cooker bomb get's a ten block radius, what does a nuke or biological device get? I've be very interested to know if any homeowners tried to refuse entry, despite the foregone conclusion.

I'd say that a lot of people have a similar relationship with the media, not just the "nanothermite" crowd. I did not mean any personal attack, but I find it inconsistent that one can doubt a government/media narrative in one instance and then in another accept it at face value. In this particular case, this kid deserves justice more than anything. Not because he's somehow special, but because it's a right we all have. He's not a monster, he's a human being and a citizen and as such deserves all the same rights afforded to us all. IMHO. Withstanding a shooting or a bombing is not the test. The real test of our mettle is our response to these events. Everything possible should be done to ensure he receives a fair trail, even if that means he's not convicted.

Call me a heritic, or what you will, but if he's going through the american justice system then there are some ground rules. First that comes to mind is innocent before proven guilty. We've recieved little if any evidence of his crimes through the media, a media i might add that does not have the best track record. I would not send someone to their death based on the facts presented so far. Equal justice under the law and what not....

Honestly? Because there is no such thing as the National Bomb Association. Ha. Then why does the NRA give a shit about handguns? Well, here we get into legal definitions. When does a "handgun" become a rifle? I think most handguns have rifled barrels; don't they? I mean it's all incrementalism and a slippery slope. So, that's probably why. What about the NAACP? "Colored people"? Strictly speaking, everyone of every ancestry is colored by melanin, except for albinos. The KKK is chock-full of colored people. What's with that? Strictly speaking, persons can be very different from humans. Persons and peoples can be created legally. Therefore, it seems the NAACP created a group of "colored people" and excluded your white A$$.

More horrible news for our economy. Think of all the poor store owners who have been selling "Buddhist chic" for all this time. Hopefully, if sales dip this store owners will remind themselves of the Third Nobel Truth.

"Parachute Unpacking Device"... I like that.

This link was posted earlier in this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYDaFvi0SpE&list=UUDly1MGiHPabkVXVPfH7U7w&index=29 Interesting video. I looked over the rig over a year ago and never heard anything about the systems for findings cutaway mains or tracking the number of jumps. I found the rig to be very much like a sigma. The one thing that really stuck out to me was the lack of limiter tape in the drogue... I was never able to get solid reasons for why it was not there or solid reasons as to why it's not being there would be a detriment, in any case I don't know if that's still part of the design. Personally speaking, I think the rig could find a good home in the marketplace. I'm well aware of the test jumps that have been made and know some of the front riders. It seems solid. I think the rig will differentiate itself on a couple of levels. 1. Price. 2. Rating simplicity. 3. Operational efficiencies (tech built in, leg straps, etc.) IMHO, if I was a DZO in the market I would be taking a serious look at this product. My question is, what's up with the TSO? Any ideas as to when this will actually be on the market?