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You can probably get on the same load.

so this is the new jetblue!

TSA lifted my Viso2 over the holiday. I really loved using the altimaster I borrowed! Will NEEEEVERRRRR check my rig, ever.

I doubt you'll catch any flak for saying that but I honestly can't say I've ever not looked at it less than 3x before putting on my rig. Wow. And not because I expect to need it but because it can open my reserve if it wants to...it better say 0. Agreed in general but the purpose of the question is to see if people would pay 3 or 4 grand for a CYPRES if it really was the expensive.

nice

geez what's next a groupon for used argus units?

I think I would pay several times what it is worth as far as market value goes. What say you?

It's based on the USPA (an organization I'm a paying member of) guidelines for skydiving with a camera. Was my execution precise - not at all, admittedly. Get on any plane at any major DZ at least 3-6 people will be jumping gopro snaghazard style and who knows if they've ever even considered what they'll do if shit hits the fan or whether they have 200 jumps or have spoken with a camera flyer about their set-up. Do you talk to them one on one, man to man, when you see them? How do those conversations go? Ever get oldschool on someone's ass elbow to elbow, what did they do? Real life ain't the internet, DEAD is DEAD. that sucks too, to be sure. Jeff

Nobody ever dug these up (pun intended)

Do experienced jumpers tend to die more frequently than newbies. You can debate the statistical validity of this statement but I do believe it's true. 2 segments: fewer than 200 jumps > 200 jumps dead alive 2 outcomes Anyone got the math? I would be curious.

Kid?

I hope he has a strong vision of the good he can still do in his life, despite his ailment. Scary stuff - but it's all out there. Jeff

I think I made my points, rather would not have it devolve into a DZ episode of Springer.

Yeah, I mean those are very complicated and detailed - which is good to have regardless. I would say a 2 paragraph 1 pager covering the critical elements: snag points audible recc' experience pitfalls et al Would be useful - also, the video place is not where people are going to go for amateur self shot footage help, IMO.

I think it's a recency/frequency thing. The more you hear good advice the more likely you are to listen. Net, reality, etc... I absolutely will -- if you need a video guy call me up

I think the topic has digressed. To all who've read this, I hope you can appreciate my candor Final point - camera sticky would be a good idea. Jeff

Dude, people die swooping. 1 person died jumping a camera, because they had no parachute. (doesn't count in my book). Simple stuff really.

Agreed - so why are we all not jumping canopies loaded at 1:1? Must be ambiguity and generalizations.

There's nothing embarrassing about it really. Cameras will probably be smaller and more people will be using them when I have that many jumps. Nothing else to say really, apparently nobody took my insights and experience at their face (maybe Dave, Twardo to some degree)..they just bashed me. I still say, create a sticky that tells people what they need to fly camera without getting hurt. The dictatorial nature and pandora's box'ish type of strategy will just provoke people further. Jeff

Talk about elementary.

cherry pick much?

Beowulf - I never claimed the world had only 2 states State 1: I know State 2: or they know. That would be a binary outcome, which is typically not the case when dealing with a myriad of uncontrolled risk factors. My intent was to highlight the fact that another discipline within the sport parachuting community (swooping) has been proven to be much more dangerous than strapping on a gorpro, yet people find it permissible with training - just as they find camera flying. To an outsider that's puzzling. The gentlemen from San Diego who's no longer with us thought he could handle swooping and apparently did several thousand times prior. There is a long tail of risk factors we cannot control and there is quite a bit of ambiguity in the sport as it pertains to how that risk should be controlled. You can debate that until your blue in the face but I'll never be convinced otherwise. Jeff

Dave I agree with most of your points, that's why I outlined my process clearly so people could learn. Also note that my process is not unique, many people before have done the same and many after me will. But to your point: I am focused on fatalities - if people see that cameras do not cause fatalities they may dismiss the issue entirely, because what do they cause? If not fatalities, or not landing injuries, then what? The issue then must be education about: Risk 1` Risk 2 Risk 3 and Solution 1 Solution 2 Solution 3 If the only practical discussion of risks and tactics to offset is wait until 200 jumps, well -- that's a wrap (no pun intended). If this is not important, then only 2 things are possible: - barrier to entry for camera fliers in the biz - it's irrelevant to all but a select few people who don't like other people to fly cameras. You know what I'm saying? Jeff

You guys are only reading half of what I've written: a) I'm not jumping with a camera because the footage really isn't that great and it is a needless distraction at this point. I explained my process initially for you to attack because hopefully someone will find it useful. I pointed that out to the OP to discourage him, but you didn't read what I wrote. I would be glad to talk to B. Burke he's probably a skydiving genius and I'd learn a lot. b) When I have a better/safer set-up I'll revisit camera flying but probably not for another 50-100 jumps or so. Nothing further to clarify here, at that point I will have over 200 jumps so it'll be a moot point as far as the SIM goes and I'll have an even better set-up. I think this is a good conversation to have because I myself, a fairly new jumper who does NOT live to jump, is probably representative of what type of person will contribute to the sport's growth over the next 10-20 years. I just got my 3rd yr renewal back in the mail and according to Ed Scott there are only 31k USPA members...we need to get that up to 50k! Given the availability of new and smaller format cameras and people's egotistical drive to get footage of themselves...well, the rest will be history. Better to RIDE the wave then stand infront of a tsunami.

Agreed re: skies...but ground is.