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Yes you flare the same by moving both toggles down...

Isnt 170 almost life threatning?

and still do or different now?

Since you can never know how you will be entangled. Where do you put yours and why?

The solo you dont have 3 other jumpers tracking away showing its time to think about opening your parachute...

B in 50 jumps? or is that incorrect? We need 75 to get a B in SA. and CAT 3 in a discipline. Edit* - Congrats !

Why am i a troll? Real name , real info , real questions. And this is a forum... do you know what a forum is?

I read the thread. I based my post on the sentence quoted above. I didn't mention anything about what you may or may not do.You are asking the questions so I'm answering you the best I can. That's all. Hope that helps Thanks

Well here your helmet and whole camera setup must be inspected by certain people before you jump. So you will need to snag proof it , no matter how many jumps or what license you have. So in my case (NOT WITH A GO PRO) , the non snaginess of the helmet is TOP priority.

Clueless Why? in a skydive in a stable position whats the chance of a bridle coming past your head at terminal? Remember we are debating low jump skydiver with go pro , not base jumper. I'm an AFF instructor plus a fun jumper and a BASE jumper. I've skydived with people with jump numbers ranging from 0 to 20,000. I've watched many people with the same jump numbers listed in your profile (currently listed is 67) pull in very weird body positions. Back sliding, on their side, just throwing violently with a ridiculous amount of body english putting them unstable... It's pretty amazing how stable these particular people think they are sometimes. These same people complain about their pack jobs. Acrobatic pulls are not as uncommon as you may believe. On skydives, I've absolutely watched bridles go all around the area a camera is mounted. Burbles, weak tosses, short bridles, etc I pull out to the side and let go. Chances are, I'm not going to snag my go pro or other camera. BUT... in my earlier years due to lack of altitude awareness, I've also pulled directly out of stand ups. Other camera flyers have snagged parts for whatever reason so I'm not immune to it either. I can easily go into how the BASE jumper could have snagged the bridle on her camera. My guess is probably accurate too, but it's not important to discuss it here. Please read the whole thread. I do not intend on jumping with a Go Pro. I dont even like a Go Pro , I think they are not designed for skydiving - Please see my previous posts. Im arguing the difference between a Go Pro and a normal sized camera for persons meeting the minimum requirements and are considered ready. Also stated this in previous posts CLEARLY

Another person that has not read one of my posts

Thanks Billvon. You are the only one really answering my questions. Albeit some *stupid* But be it as it may I am learning all the way. Students shouldnt where Go Pro's - Agreed x 100! AFFI's shouldnt where a camera with snag hazard anyway , ive seen some ruff AFFI videos Getting a proper briefing about pitching your head down and rehearsing such deployments is a good start right? Great about the mount , thats my plan. Been repairing fibreglass racebike fairings so my fibreglassing skills should be ok. - I like the idea of it more anyway. Nice box for a camera that sits flush everywhere. Got a goo idea for testing snagging through a web of lines. The contour will be better suited for skydiving , much lower profile . GO Pro sits WAY to high up.

I cant find it at the moment but someone recently posted a cartoon about someone intentionally not speaking clear then acting all smug when they get their chance to clarify and say what they should have said in the first place. I really wish i could find it because it is very fitting here. Its a combination of experience and snag. It's BOTH. You seem to only want to argue one or the other. No one here is siding with you except Sangi. (For all we know you are Sangi.) Stop trolling. We are having a serious grown up discussion about people dying. Go troll in the speakers corner or bonfire. You elminated snag with the mount you spoke about. I ASKED , IN THAT SITUATION if a SNAG occurs , would more experience help ? That was a general question about that specific situation.

WTF are you talking about? SPEAK CLEAR. I didnt misquote you, you said a larger camera would also have snagged, that is what i addressed. I qouted the guy saying a jumper snagged his jumpsuit with a camera on his head.

Really? So if it would have been a larger camera inside a box with rounded edges and a slick surface then what would have snagged the bridle? These PCs are MUCH bigger and have a lot of drag. Really? I think you are dead wrong. On both counts. I've already addressed the camera issue, as far as experience goes....well....i am certainly more experienced now that I have learned about this fatality, so now I am better prepared. and also , the snagging I was referring to was the snag of the jumpsuit in the post I quoted. Please dont misquote me.

Really? So if it would have been a larger camera inside a box with rounded edges and a slick surface then what would have snagged the bridle? These PCs are MUCH bigger and have a lot of drag. Really? I think you are dead wrong. On both counts. I've already addressed the camera issue, as far as experience goes....well....i am certainly more experienced now that I have learned about this fatality, so now I am better prepared. Thanks : hook, line and sinker Ive never seen a stills camera in a box. So with a proper mount , snagging no longer a danger *for any jumper perhaps* (as I so posted in the same post but you chose to cut out of the quote , thereby being a great "journalist")

The point here is not that a larger camera would have been a better choice. Clearly a larger item would have more of a snag potential. The point here is that a small format camera casued a snag that resulted in a fatality. To those jumpers who either ignore, or are unaware of, the distraction a camera can add, their defense that the GoPro is too small to be a hazard has now been proven to be incorrect. Coincidentally, just this weekend I had a jumper snag his GoPro on my jumpsuit in the plane. This was several minutes before exit during gear checks, he looked down to inspect his rig and was unaware of his GoPro and hit my arm with it, snagging my jumpsuit. No damage to jumpsuit or camera, and the snag released quickly on it's own, but it never would have happened if his helmet was camera-free. So you are basically saying "never ever where a camera if you want to be safe" ? A larger camera would also have snagged - that was the jumper not thinking. Experience or a larger camera wouldnt solve this fatality ,no matter how you look at it. With the way she deployed we can however say it will be safer not wearing a camera -* in that specific situation* - but I dont think that situation can be used to say that a jumper jumping a contour or a go pro on a normal skydive with a proper snag free mount is not safe at all. I must say that sticking a camera on with double sided 3m tape with the normal mounts supplied are nothing short of stupid. Rather build a proper mount with fibre glass. rounded edges , mounted flush with snap on tape , and cover the mounting edges to the helmet with duct tape. Any objections to that?

Clueless Why? in a skydive in a stable position whats the chance of a bridle coming past your head at terminal? Remember we are debating low jump skydiver with go pro , not base jumper.

People with larger format cameras make more effort snag proofing them. Or rather, the converse, people think they don't need to snag proof a smaller camera, because it's smaller and "less likely to snag" or the "mount will snap". Luckily I dont fall in that generalization

I mean after the snag already happened. as for the body position : priorities of freefall ? pull at correct alt pref stable but yeah you have to be pretty upside down and spinning for that to happen

Would a large format camera , or more experience or know how have helped? RIP Freak accident

The reason for the camera would basically only be a POV for my own and 2 way debriefings. I have no intention of filming groups id rather be in the group. Later on(much) I would like to film groups and tandems maybe.

ah a big conflict in advice from jumpers in the 1000. What now

Holy crap! A useful suggestion! Maybe low-time jumpers wouldn't brush off experienced jumpers if they were presented with actual steps towards flying a camera rather than the repetitive "you need 200 jumps" mantra that pervades nearly every single GoPro thread. Yip would seem like a good suggestion. but I think the distraction of the actual filming will still be there. Looking through a site you know does nothing is just not the same as actually having the camera.

Well guys rest assured because as I said before. I will be waiting till i meet all the minimum requirements before i jump with a camera. And with the CI approval offcourse.