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No it isn't... very short recovery arc, non elliptical, was designed for novices and intermediate jumpers where as the stiletto was desgined for swoopers and expert canopy flyers Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

I can't believe some people actually want this thing running the free world http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2010/11/22/10/anigif_the-definitive-gif-from-sarah-palins-tlc-show-9576-1290438871-11.gif Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

A Sabre 2 is in no way close to the caliber of a stiletto Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

what words? Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

No, I am trying to show you that sometimes, you can be wrong and it's OK to admit it. It's when you don;t admit it that you end up looking like a fuckwit. I now have over 200 jumps including over 100 jumps this year AND did my first one 20 years ago AND did AFF 4 years ago AND listen to people. Care to change your opinion about who has more experience? In your eyes i'm wrong

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Brad-Childress-fired-Minnesota-Vikings-112210 Finally the bandwagon is comming to an end! Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

I'd personally go with the optimum because of the higher resale value Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

I mis interpeted his post at first, my point is that when you are in a group you should never just pull in place Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

once again your eyes have failed you... i never said only, just said the standard meaning its the first canopy they make their first jump on, subsequent jumps and they progress down Yeah - I didn't think you would be able to list them. I asked somewhere, which I assume you would agree is a subset of anywhere and was told, "No, a 280 is not the standard canopy for first jump students, we evaluate each student individually and first jumps may be performed on canopies ranging from 200 to 280 sq ft.". You have formed an opinion from your narrow range of experience and are extrapolating it to be true for the majority of DZs. You have done this in numerous threads and been corrected many, many times. Does it not start to get through to you that when people disagree with you consistently, you may be in the wrong? haha like you are one to talk 200 jumps in 20 years? thats an average of ten a year, i'm not going to waste my time to try and reason with you when i am far more experienced. you are just looking for a fight to stroke your ego I'll be happy to add you to my skygod list Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

If you are doing a solo that would be fine, if you were in a group someone will usually have an alti and you can look at one of theirs or watch them turn and track and you should turn and track as well Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

once again, another person who has not read my first post Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

once again your eyes have failed you... i never said only, just said the standard meaning its the first canopy they make their first jump on, subsequent jumps and they progress down Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

you are telling me that something i've witnessed and saw with me own eyes is a fabrication of truth and reality? hypotheticaly That would be like me telling you that you have a small john thomas without actually seeing it, only you would know the truth Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

Well then your Profiles Experience is not matching your Real Experience, hence the responses your getting. I have seen Cat B and C students spiral with the Fronts. I have even seen a Cat A Flare the Rears, fronts, not flare at all. Point being, if you can think it up, a student can think up more and do it! on a 280? Matt Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

Personally, not being an instructor, I wouldn't make any canopy recommendations for students - and I suggest you do the same. However, the appropriate size canopy for a first jump student depends on their bodyweight. If you were to put a 100lb girl on a 280 it is possible that they would not have the strength to flare it. Did you consider that? I personally have never jumped anything bigger than the 200 I started on. I never made any recommendations just stated observations Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

i'm sure that would require manuevers that a student would most defenatly not do: crank the toggle to feet, front riser spirals(large amount of strengh would be required for that) etc etc Well... just for your information... you don't represent every dropzone buddy There are Students who have done those exact things, just "cause" or they had a conversation with some one at the Bon Fire , read it online etc, etc. There are very few Drop Zones that do not have at least a small assortment of student gear with different sized mains. In my experience I have not seen a DZ yet with only one size Student Main. Matt I stated that in my first post Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

i'm sure that would require manuevers that a student would most defenatly not do: crank the toggle to feet, front riser spirals(large amount of strengh would be required for that) etc etc Students aren't the only ones who might use a student cypress. My DZ's rental gear is also the student gear. It is all Navigator 200-280s, all have the student cypress (actually, they are Vigil's). Lots of people rent the rigs, not just students. Also, I was just looking through the classifieds, someone is selling a complete rig with a Spectre and a student cypress. An experienced jumper may end up using one, it would just depend on the situation. You are right but an experienced jumper should know the limitaions of the gear and not try to push their luck Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

I have seen hundreds of students jump and not one has been able to do a fully front riser spiral or crank the toggle so hard that they fire a student cypres Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

Well... just for your information... you don't represent every dropzone buddy Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

i'm sure that would require manuevers that a student would most defenatly not do: crank the toggle to feet, front riser spirals(large amount of strengh would be required for that) etc etc Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

ok what size would you put them out on? ask anywhere and 280's are pretty much the standard for first jump students Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

if they don't like it then they can get the hell out, all they do is stink up the country anyways Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

oh really? http://costofwar.com/ Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

what is that? Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!

if the dz is using appropriate size student canopies(280ish) then it shouldn't be an issue although i know of some dropzones that put the expert models into their student/rental gear since some of it has 190s down to 150s Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!