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Thanks, geoff, That link was perfect; exactly what I was looking for.

Hey all, Does anyone know (or know of a web-link) how to attach toggles to the brake-lines. What I mean, is can you describe how to loop the brake line through the toggle grommit and what other gyrations are involved. It seems, that I've seen different methods of doing this. When I removed the toggles from my Safire's brake-lines, it was basically serveral loop-throughs of the toolges through the loop at the end of the brake line. Me wifes canopy a Spectre (same rig and riser type, a Mirage for clearafication.), seems to be hooked up differently. It appears more a knot type attachment that's been finger traped. The Safire was supposedly finger traped too. But again, the two looked very different. Anyways, and advice would be appreciated. This is more a curiousity thing than anything else. I wouldn't try it on my own rig until after the brake-lines had been adjusted, if ever. Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

Well here's the follow-up to my canopy story. In a nut shell I ordered a new canopy via SkyKat. The canopy arrived last Wednesday, but unfortunately, the top skin design pattern was incorrect. Obviously I was very dissappointed, especially considering I've been without a canopy for two months. See "The agony and the ecstacy" in this forum for a humerous more detailed background on this matter. SkyKat was closed over the holiday weekend, including yesterday (Monday) so my initial contact, in seeking a resolution, was with the manufacturer. The outcome looked rather bad as the manufacturer stated that the canopy design I recieved matched the order form they recieved from SkyKat. From their perspective, the situation was a miscommunication between SkyKat and I, and while they would be happy to build me a new canopy, it "wouldn't be on their dime.". They did offer to call Tony at SkyKat and speak to him on my behalf. So now I'm becoming extremely worried that I'm going to get stuck with a custom canopy that I don't want. I called SkyKat this morning and spoke to Tony. Before I even finished describing the situation, he assured me that I would be taken care of and would be happy by the time I hung up the phone. He checked the order and it agreed with what the manufacturer had. "Don't worry.", he said, "if that's not what you wanted we'll have a new one built.". He then offered that I keep and fly the canopy I have until the new one is built! To say that I'm a satisfied SkyKat customer is at best a pathetic understatement. I'm soooo impressed with the way I was treated by them! "The customer is alway right." is more than lip service with these folks. All I can say, WAY TO GO SKYKAT! YOU FOLKS ROCK!!! You definetly will recieve future business from me. Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

Thanks for the compliment Airann. I'm generally not so base, really! I normally hang around in the "Gear and Rigging" section where my posts are universally responded to. It seems to me ( and I may be mistaken here...) that the "Talkback" forum is more fickle and perhaps a little cliquish (sp?). Keeping that in mind, right or wrong, a sure-fire way to garnish attention in "Talkback" is a liberal sprinkling of sexual overtones, a steaming stock of base profanity and an exaggerated extract of sexual misadventure to bind it all together. Shake well. Let ferment. Guarenteed to peg the hit-o-meter. So if you were offened, please don't take offense, I was only giving the people what they wanted. Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

Hi PhreeZone, Thanks, for the reply. My intentions with this post was not to publicly trash a company. Far from it. That's why I didn't mention their name. Yes, I suggested how to find out who it is, but that's only because that to any post junkie I figured it was blatantly obvious on how to do so. Rather, my post was just a humorous (at least I think so, and I should know since I'm my favorite fan.....maybe only fan by the looks of things.) and satirical expression of the situation. I think being a little disappointed in such a situation would be a normal reaction for most folks, and whether I like to admit or not, I do have a little normality (is that a word?) coursing through my viens. I've tried to stamp most of it but, alas, a little still lingers, a stale fart in the elevator of life if you will. I have not contacted the fine folks < no sarcasim here> that made my canopy yet because of the holidays. So as far as I know, this situation may lead quite smoothly to a perfectly acceptable resolution. Then again, maybe not. And hence that's why I posted; a tonque 'n cheek request for feed-back from others that may have found themselves in a similar situation. So, let's clear this up right now. Now hear this! Now hear this! Landmissle is NOT public trashing, bashing, or otherwise dissing a fine reputable canopy manufacturer. He was publicly espousing his satire in a situation that most others would find dissapointing, if not a itsy bitsy teeny weeny bit frustrating. In doing so he managed to, and without not too much effort, on his part, expose himself for the ASSHOLE he really is. That is all...... Alright, hopefully that clears things up now. Now will somebody please like me before I build up a complex and do something really stupid,....like well.....jump out of a perfectly good airplane.

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Despite the title this is not about sexual deviant adventures involving, say tabasco sauce as a lubricant. I've been without for two months now. I sold my first love, a Safire 169 eight weeks ago and ordered another canopy shortly thereafter. I'll leave the model name out so as not to make this a public bash-fest; however, a little searching on this site and you might be able to figure it out. So as I was saying, I found myself without and in order to fullfill my lustfull addiction, I pimped myself out to just about every canopy manufacturer out-there, demoing their maidens. These weekend flings were exciting and fullfilling to a certain extent, but passion alone can't sustain the soul when only true love will do. The weeks passed and parade continued. Some were docile and obedient and others wild,challenging me to conquer them. And yet my heart whispered the name of another who was waiting just on the far side of a sun-rise and an hour unknown. Finally, a ring of the bell and a thump on the porch, and this Wednesday witnessed our first shared glance. Brown packaged mundane and on label my misspelled name, I was sure this weekend we would dance. I opened her box, and her lines curled like loks, lay ontop of her shimmering dress. I caressed her out flat and stared as I sat, and drank in the beauty of my new love's flesh. My eyes gazed and admired, my heart filled with desire as I flipped her over, to expose her top skin. I let out a gasp and puckered my ass.....what the hell were they thinkin'! Ack! It's all wrong. While her under belly is perfect her top side is all screwed up. And unlike an ugly date, I can't bag her when in public. Two months of whoring myself out, feeling guilty, cheap, and the constant ache of the wait for this. FOR THIS?! The worst part of it is, that as disfigured as she appears, she's still tempting me, beckoning me to ride her to heights she's yet to attain. Damn it all! Don't do it. Just like a stray mangy flea infested cat, show it a little tenderness and a bowl of milk. Bam! It never leaves and everyone knows you love stinky pussy. So now really seriously, has anyone had this happen to them before. Not the cat, the canopy.....Has anyone recieved a canopy that was in someway incorrect? How did the manufactorer deal with the situation? Did they understand the trauma they put you through, the soul reeming, the wadding-up of your dreams like cheap tiolet paper in the hairy crack of a homeless person. Did they apologize, maybe give you a demo to hold you over until they made ammends. In other words, did they kiss your ass, or were they callus, cold and indifferent, told you to stick it and made you eat the cost of your stinky pussy, er canopy. Aw whatever! It's mid-night, I'm distraught, a litlte punchy, and frankly, don't give a damn . Any comments? Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

Hi Atwork, I wouldn't Pyscho-pack a Cobalt as they already take awhile to open. I've seen an average of 800'-1000' feet as typical. A Pyscho-pack will probably only make the openings more prolonged and I'm not sure how it would effect the two-stage openings Cobalts are known for. I pack using a normal Pro-pack. Quarter the slider and bring the nose side out. I then pull the nose cell out slightly before bringing around the tail and putting a few rolls in it. Works for me. Opening are nice and on heading but still longish compared to the Safire I was used to jumping. Another, note. During the opening sequence keep your hands off the rear risers until the canopy is fully deployed as input on the risers can interfer with the two-stage opening and lead to a hard/harder opening. Hope this answers your question. Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

Hi Geoff, I think this will be one of those relative/subjective topics. I'll give you my impressions that may or may not be (kinda' covers all angles...) applicable to anyone else. I'd been flying my first canopy a Safire 169 for about 60 jumps when I first demoed a Cobalt 170. I'd talked to Dan Preston (CobaltDan) before ordering the demo and he suggested that I request the Cobalt 150 in order to get a more apples-to-apples comparison between the Cobalt and my Safire. I wasn't comfortable with the idea and ordered the 170. My immediate impresson under the 170 was that in turned and responded slightly slower than my Safire 169. Could this have been in my head? Possibly, but realize that I thought Dan and Atair's claims where hype or marketing rhetoric so I was skeptical at best. Forward speed seemed about the same between the two canopies, but whoa, did the Cobalt have some serious flare power! I put about ten jumps on the Cobalt 170 before returning her to Atair. I then called Icarus and asked them what they thought about the sizing difference claims between the Safire and the Cobalt. They confirmed what Dan said. Essentially they stated that the Safire was sized abit smaller for given square footage compared to other canopies. They went on to say that a Safire 169 was more closely sized to a Crossfire 149 or Cobalt 150. After that I flew a Crossfire 169 and got a similar impresson as the Cobalt when compared to my Safire 169. The Crossfire did seem to loose more altitude when making aggressive toggle turns as compared to the other canopies. It also seemed vaugley more squirrely to minor toggle adjustments, the kind applied on final approach when landing. Nothing, frieghtening, just a little more busy. A couple of months ago I demoed a Cobalt 150 and put about eight jumps on her. So now this is the supposed apple-to-apple comparision, right? Well, actually, yes, kinda. The Cobalt 150 does seem a better comparison to the Safire 169 when at altitude. The speed of turns seems more comparable to the 169, maybe slightly faster. The over-all subjective experience (seat-of-the-pants) seems to compare the 150 to the the 169 well. However, under my Safire 169 I was wingloading at 1.24 and under the Cobalt 150 I'm pushing 1.43. This is a significant difference and you can tell. Your forward speed is faster and aggressive turns are more ground hungry. Entering the landing pattern ( I still land with staight in approaches) under the Cobalt 150 and things are happening more quickly. At my level and my wingloading I would strongly suggest you be proficient at braked turns or rear riser turns when below 1000' to deal with those "oh shit" situations. An aggressive toggle turn made low under a Safire 169 might have been doable, done under the Cobalt 150 and it just might do you. Oh, almost forgot. With respect to glide. The Cobalt 150 does have a nice glide ratio. I can't really compare it to the Safire 169 because I didn't directly/consously compare the two in this atribute. I can give you a enlighting example. My wife flies a Spectre 170 that she loads at about 1.1. We did a two-way when I was demoing the Cobalt 150 and opened at 7000' (last load of the day and we wanted some canopy time.). Good thing we opened high 'cause the spot sucked. Way off. So I'm immediately alternating between pulling down the rear rises or setting the brakes to 1/3. Karen, my wife is doing the same thing. We made it back to the DZ without a hitch but it left no time to play under canopy. We were flying close together the whole time and I was able to stay right with Karen even though she had a much lower wing loading. I realize we're comparing a 7-cell to a 9-cell here, but it does illustrate, roughly at least, the kind of glide you can get under the Cobalt. Keeping the differences in flying charectoristics at low altitudes in mind, I'm more comfortable landing the Cobalt 150 than the Safire 169. The flare under the Cobalt is just so much more powerful and easier to meter out. That's not to say that the Safire was unmanagable. It wasn't. I very rarely biffed a landing under the Safire, ran more than one out though, really ran....It's just that the Cobalt is again, not only more powerful flaring but much easier to meter out. I've since sold my Safire about two months ago and ordered a Cobalt 150. It just arrived on Wednesday. Unfortunately, the upper skin color scheme is incorrect so I dare not fly her because I want to return her. I guess it's back to demoing to keep my flying addiction happy. Ah life, 'tis you the reason I live and suffer! Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

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Heya, Johnny! Might as well give it up...they will never understand why any of us runs into the living room to watch even the briefest clip of skydiving coverage on "You Gotta See This"! As for me, well Thanksgiving has been ok so far...several of my family brought me their computers that needed work (I work as a computer tech), so I've been drinking MaiTai's and working on their systems all day...wonder if they'll even boot properly in the morning! lol! So, Happy Thanksgiving, and enjoy your skydiving vids! BTW, since you mentioned Crosswind...do you happen to know who recorded the song that's played when the 2 guys are swooping under the bridges? I'd really love to have a copy of that one. Blues, Karen

Hi folks, Thanks for all the replies and advice. I have sold my Safire to another Dropzoner. We went through www.tradenable.com which is an online escrow service. I was very comfortable with the exchange and was able to monitor events/processes as they occured on their web-page. Highly reccomended. And yes, I've already ordered my Cobalt! Additionally, to hold me over during the dry period while I'm waiting for my canopy to arrive, I have three demos coming in to keep me airborne. Gotta' luv demos.... Again thanks folks! Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

Hi folks, Don't know if this is the proper forum for this but here goes. I've decided to sell my Safire 169 (you can see the classified ad here on Dropzone and at Enclave..plug plug..). Well I expected this to be a drawn out endeaver. So much for expectations, because within three hours of posting my ad I recieved an offer already and this person is willing to pay my asking price. So now I'm in a delema, actually two, since I haven't ordered my replacement canopy, if this sale goes through briskly I'm in real danger of not having a canopy to jump for 6-8 weeks (!!!); and additionaly,more importantly too, I'm not sure of the best way to handle the transaction that is likely to involve two parties that are located a fair distance apart. So to you folks that have sold gear over the internet or to others located a distance away, how did you handle the exchange? I would like some methodology that will protect the interest (my canopy, his/her money.) of both parties involved as much as reasonably possible. I've signed up with PayPal. Would that be a good way to go? Any advice and ideas would be appreciated. Cobalt Dan, if you're out there, you might be getting a sell sooner that I expected.

Hi folks, I plan on demo-ing PA's Nitron canopy. Probably a 150 with a wing loading of about 1.4. Has anyone out there jumped this particular canopy. I'm most interested in finding out how the Nitron compares to a Cobalt or Crossfire since these two canopies are the most likely candidates to beat on my credit card a little bit more. Would love to hear your impressions (good/bad/or otherwise) on the Nitron. Feet up, heads down, Landmissle

This is for all you Quincy veterans. What are your experiences with staying there? Specifically, did you stay at a nearby hotel, R.V. it, or camp out on the grounds. Can you enlighten us/me on the costs involved, advantages/disadvantages of the mode you selected and what will you do next time you go? Thanks in advance! Feet up,heads-down, blue skies, Landmissle

BIG DISCLAIMER: I am a newbie to skydiving. Most other skydivers have more experience and knowledge than I do; therefore what you are about to read may be inaccurate, incomplete, totally off-base, or just plain wrong. I currently have 79 jumps under my belt and of those, 65+ have been under either a Safire 189 or 169 (wingloadings respectively 1.1 and 1.24). I rescently bought my first rig and it is equiped with a Safire 169. So from the get go, it should be understood that not only is my experience limited, it's also biased . The Safire is a 9-cell slightly eliptical ZP canopy. As such, it tends to come in flater than a similar sized and proportioned (aspect ratio)7-cell. This is neither good or bad...just different if you've only flown 7 cells. I love the way the canopy flies, especially at the higher wing loading. It responds immediately to toggle input and straightens out promptly when you release tension. In other words, it doesn't continue to turn when you let up on the toggle. When I first started flying the Safire ( about jump # 9)I thought the canopy was abit twitchy to inputs, but I quickly adjusted to it and after about 4 or 5 more jumps the twitchiness was no longer a factor. If you like to go horizontal durings spirals you'll like this canopy. My 169 slings me from out under the canopy very easily under hard toggle turns and remains rock solid. I've done 6 or 7 sequential 360 degree spiral turns and then flipped it in the opposite direction to complete several more spiral turns and the whole time felt under complete control. During the transition from opposite directions the canopy exhibited no tendency to induce line twists. The control range is on the longish side. To stall the canopy requires a deep pull of the toggles. Perhaps because of this, you may have heard that you have to land Safires differently. I don't know how to interprete "different" but I will say that when flaring the canopy on landing you want to progressively apply input to the toogles throughout the entire range. You do not want to just yank down on the toggles in one quick motion. If you do this and are high when you flare, you will plane out and drop straight down when the canopy stalls (ouch). It may even gain a little altitude at the end of the plane-out phase and drop you from a little higher up (double ouch!) Should you just yank on the toggles on the lowish side for flare time, if you're lucky, you'll have to run off the landing speed, and I do mean run. If you're a little less than lucky than you will get to do a really good PLF. I'm not trying to intimidate you or make it sound that this canopy is hard to land. The secret here is smooth progressive control inputs, and feeling for feedback from the canopy. This is how I land it...your mileage may vary....On final approach I have the toggles all the way up or only slightly pulled down (literally only a few inches.) When reaching flare altitude (when feet are about six feet off the ground.)pull down on the toggles smoothly but at a moderate rate. As soon as the canopy begins to plane-out is where the real work begins. The idea is to continue to pull down on the toggles but vary your pace depending on the the conditions. Some people call this a two-stage flare but I don't like the term because it implies that you hold or stop the flare for some distinct time period. I think of it as "milking the flare". If I find myself a little high during the plan-out phase I slow down the rate I pull down on the toggles. Conversely, If a little low, you'll need to pick up the pace. If done correctly ( at least in my mind.), as you reach the end of the plane-out phase and you're skimming above the ground about a foot (it's imporatant to be very close to the ground if you do this.)pull quickly done on the last bit of control range that you have left, and the canopy will lift you up just a bit as it stalls and losses all or most of it's forward speed. At this point it will drop you to the ground quite nicely and all you'll need is a step or two for the last bit of momentum you might have. Nice landing! This method has worked consistantly for me. I've stood up every landing except two, once I dialed it in. So that would make about 65 jumps total. Front riser control takes a little bit of muscle but not bad for diving turns. Pulling down on both risers requires some real heft. It's essentially like doing a pull-up. I'm not an expert in front riser maneuvers so'll I'll just leave it at this. This canopy is a blast to fly. It may take a little more attention at first, but the investment is well worth it.

Hi Scottjo, Before doing any modifications to the slider or any component for that matter I would consider how you're packing the canopy. There are alot of things you can do simpley by packing to speed up the opening. You didn't say how and what method you're using so I'll give you a basic example. Suppose you're Pro-Packing; To speed up openings you can; 1)Don't roll the nose as much (For example if you're rolling it three times, back it down to two and then one if it still opening to slow.) 2) When rolling the nose, don't roll them all together, rather grab cells 1,2,3,and 4(if it's a nine cell.) and roll or fold them towards the center. Leave the center cell unrolled and then do the same for the cells on the other side 6,7,8, and 9 (if it's a nine cell.) 3) If doing the above, pull out the center cell to increase the opening speed. You can also try packing differently, say, Psycho-Pack instead or Pro-Pack, or some of the other methods. The point is, try technics first before physical modifications, it's much easier to change methods and styles to suit your taste than it is to change modifications that may have negative effects and be much harder to revert back from. If you give some more details in how your packing I'm sure some of our resident experts will be able to help you out. Feet up, heads down, Blue skies, Landmissle

I wanted to learn how to back track about 10 jumps ago so that I could clear the air dircectly above just before wave-off time. This is what I initiallly did: Track as normal. Assuming you want to rotate counter-clockwise, take left arm a place across mid-section (tummy) palm of hand flat to surface. Take right arm and place it behind back just below your container with the back of hand flat to surface of back. Drop left shoulder as if to make a left turn. You will now begin to rotate about the long axis of your body. If you rotate your hips in the same direction you will flip over even faster. When you are on your back (all you'll see is blue...)return your arms to the normal track position and viola', you're back tracking! Now the cool part. Instead of returning your arms to the normal position when you are your back, leave them in place and continue the rotation. You've just done a cork-screw. After you've done this a few times, you won't need to bring your arms across your body. Simpley bring them flat against your side and rotate your torso. If you want you can do several rotations in a row without stopping and you'll learn what a bullet or rifled slug feels like when exiting the barrel. Have fun! Feet up, heads down, Blue skies, Landmissle

Action Air's buissiness must be going well. I purchased a new rig from them back in November and recieved it in January. I had it about 2 hours before I couldn't control my curiosity and opened her up and checked out the canopy. It wasn't that I didn't trust Action Air ( I definetely do!) I was curious to see how they packed, how the velcro-less toggles were stowed, and I just wanted to see my new baby. My wife, just this week picked up here new rig from Action Air, she made it about 45 minutes before she just had to check it out. Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

In my current job at LLNL, I'm a system administrator for about 100 Windows NT workstations, 10 Windows NT servers, and (here's the cool part....) 20 Linux workstations. That's not geeky enough for ya'? O.k. try this on for size. I have a Duke Nukem action figure in my office, a 12" stuffed penquin on my monitor and a "Bill Gatus of Borg" poster on my office door. On the home front.....I built my computer from scratch and it's current condition is that the front and side panels have been removed: to easily allow me to tweak it's internals. I've overclocked the CPU and keep it cool (the CPU) with a heat sink the size of a waffle iron and enough fans to create my own wind tunnel. This, by the way is how I initially got into skydiving . Oops, hey gotta go, the tape on my glasses came undone and I can hardly see my typing. Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

The situation may vary in different parts of the country. Here in California my home DZ is Skydance in Davis. When I was a student... (scratch that, we're all students..); when I had only about 15 jumps under my belt I called around to BayAreaSkydiving (Byron) and Monterey Skydiving ( Strangely enough, Monterey) and both DZ would let me jump there, but would require a pre-jump interview or a dive with an intructor before they would let me go solo. Feet up, heads down, blue skies, Landmissle

Hi Cyberskydive, You'll find the Safire and other canopies reviewed under the Gear link on the uppper left hand corner of Dropzone's home page. I'll give you the personal touch and tell you what I think right here about the Safire. BIG DISCLAIMER: I am a newbie to skydiving. Most other skydivers have more experience and knowledge than I do; therefore what you are about to read may be inaccurate, incomplete, totally off-base, or just plain wrong. I currently have 50 jumps under my belt and of those, 40+ have been under either a Safire 189 or 169 (wingloadings respectively 1.1 and 1.24). I rescently bought my first rig and it is equiped with a Safire 169. So from the get go, it should be understood that not only is my experience limited, it's also biased . The Safire is a 9-cell slightly eliptical ZP canopy. As such, it tends to come in flater than a similar sized and proportioned (aspect ratio)7-cell. This is neither good or bad...just different if you've only flown 7 cells. I love the way the canopy flies, especially at the higher wing loading. It responds immediately to toggle input and straightens out promptly when you release tension. In other words, it doesn't continue to turn when you let up on the toggle. When I first started flying the Safire ( about jump # 9)I thought the canopy was abit twitchy to inputs, but I quickly adjusted to it and after about 4 or 5 more jumps the twitchiness was no longer a factor. If you like to go horizontal durings spirals you'll like this canopy. My 169 slings me from out under the canopy very easily under hard toggle turns and remains rock solid. I've done 6 or 7 sequential 360 degree spiral turns and then flipped it in the opposite direction to complete several more spiral turns and the whole time felt under complete control. During the transition from opposite directions the canopy exhibited no tendency to induce line twists. The control range is on the longish side. To stall the canopy requires a deep pull of the toggles. Perhaps because of this, you may have heard that you have to land Safires differently. I don't know how to interprete "different" but I will say that when flaring the canopy on landing you want to progressively apply input to the toogles throughout the entire range. You do not want to just yank down on the toggles in one quick motion. If you do this and are high when you flare, you will plane out and drop straight down when the canopy stalls (ouch). It may even gain a little altitude at the end of the plane-out phase and drop you from a little higher up (double ouch!) Should you just yank on the toggles on the lowish side for flare time, if you're lucky, you'll have to run off the landing speed, and I do mean run. If you're a little less than lucky than you will get to do a really good PLF. I'm not trying to intimidate you or make it sound that this canopy is hard to land. The secret here is smooth progressive control inputs, and feeling for feedback from the canopy. This is how I land it...your mileage may vary....On final approach I have the toggles all the way up or only slightly pulled down (literally only a few inches.) When reaching flare altitude (when feet are about six feet off the ground.)pull down on the toggles smoothly but at a moderate rate. As soon as the canopy begins to plane-out is where the real work begins. The idea is to continue to pull down on the toggles but vary your pace depending on the the conditions. Some people call this a two-stage flare but I don't like the term because it implies that you hold or stop the flare for some distinct time period. I think of it as "milking the flare". If I find myself a little high during the plan-out phase I slow down the rate I pull down on the toggles. Conversely, If a little low, you'll need to pick up the pace. If done correctly ( at least in my mind.), as you reach the end of the plane-out phase and you're skimming above the ground about a foot (it's imporatant to be very close to the ground if you do this.)pull quickly done on the last bit of control range that you have left, and the canopy will lift you up just a bit as it stalls and losses all or most of it's forward speed. At this point it will drop you to the ground quite nicely and all you'll need is a step or two for the last bit of momentum you might have. Nice landing! This method has worked consistantly for me. I've stood up every landing except one, once I dialed it in. So that would make about 35 jumps total. Front riser control takes a little bit of muscle but not bad for diving turns. Pulling down on both risers requires some real heft. It's essentially like doing a pull-up. I'm not an expert in front riser maneuvers so'll I'll just leave it at this. This canopy is a blast to fly. It may take a little more attention at first, but the investment is well worth it. Well I've probably babbled on long enough...If you have any other questions about this canopy and think that I might have some insight about it, feel free to email me. Best Regards, Landmissle