dreamdancer

i think he acted responsibly - the state now want to martyr him. which of course you agree with. and once he's been dispensed with on to assange... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

Nope. He sent out other stuff not relating to specific abuses also. If he really wanted to champion something. . . getting himself arrested, destroying his credibility, costing the taxpayers millions, and destroying the careers of servicemembers not involved with the "crimes" he was "exposing". . .definitely not the right way of going about doing things. He was only "championing" his own spoiled selfish bad attitude. he did what he could when he could how he could. what he did not do was do nothing... And this is where we differ. You believe he was trying to perform some sort of sacrifical whistle-blowing; my experience with these types is, they are in it for themselves and could care less with the "autrocities" being "exposed". They just want to throw a wrench in the gears because it's the only way they can be acccepted. Negative attention-getting. throwing a wrench in the gears gets you 'accepted' - i think not... Hmm. . .got accepted by the Wikileaks crowd. Got accepted by those who believe he's a do-right. from a prison cell - so not much 'acceptance' there. you're grasping at straws - he acted for the greater good and that is pretty obvious from the stuff that got released. the state of course will get its revenge - and assange next... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

Nope. He sent out other stuff not relating to specific abuses also. If he really wanted to champion something. . . getting himself arrested, destroying his credibility, costing the taxpayers millions, and destroying the careers of servicemembers not involved with the "crimes" he was "exposing". . .definitely not the right way of going about doing things. He was only "championing" his own spoiled selfish bad attitude. he did what he could when he could how he could. what he did not do was do nothing... And this is where we differ. You believe he was trying to perform some sort of sacrifical whistle-blowing; my experience with these types is, they are in it for themselves and could care less with the "autrocities" being "exposed". They just want to throw a wrench in the gears because it's the only way they can be acccepted. Negative attention-getting. throwing a wrench in the gears gets you 'accepted' - i think not... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

Nope. He sent out other stuff not relating to specific abuses also. If he really wanted to champion something. . . getting himself arrested, destroying his credibility, costing the taxpayers millions, and destroying the careers of servicemembers not involved with the "crimes" he was "exposing". . .definitely not the right way of going about doing things. He was only "championing" his own spoiled selfish bad attitude. he did what he could when he could how he could. what he did not do was do nothing... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

so we let the military run rampant, even if it is wrong and even if the soldiers know that it is wrong. We take and only 'take' orders. No one questions anything, ever. Why people don't understand why this is a problem is beyond me. No. We won't let the military run rampant. But Manning isn't the person with the right to "correct" any wrongdoing. It's not his job. He isn't part of any military inquiry or court. The military isn't about "take and take orders only". There's also Give orders. There's also a right way of questioning orders and knowing how to address unlawful orders if came to that. I seriously doubt mannings reasons for leaking as "whistleblowing" are legitimate. People like him just have an issue with authority. he was the person who could do something about the abuses - which he did. after manning inevitably they'll go after assange... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

i support acting responsibly - sometimes (as with my example) there is the greater good to consider... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

no-one stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

and if the drunk driver is a medic called out to a desperate emergency a few miles down the road - so that hundreds could die if he doesn't get there. what then - a police escort? stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

except drunk drivers do real harm and there was none here... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

orders are orders... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

Sometimes, when driving a car, you need to go to full throttle. Sometimes you need to use the brakes. in this case the state needs to use the brakes then as manning was acting for the greater good... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

and i've asked him many a question he's never answered. i don't make a thing of it. each to our own style of debate. i liked amazon's style for instance... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

and because of manning we know that the us military routinely handed over suspects for torture... (ps kneecappings are a western export) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

Look at his post #18 - I knew he'd never give you a straight, responsive answer. He's all about pushing people's troll buttons to get them to twitch on command. Not really much more. it's hard to debate with someone who consistently equates tax with 'theft and seizing money' (because it's the state) yet on the other hand an individual who acts for the greater good (for the protection of the people by the state) is to be thrown to the state wolves. he flips and he flops... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

so you're all for the individual against the power of the state - until you're not. strange contradiction... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

hey, you can say whatever you want - no complaints from me... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

i refer you to the video (among many others) of the helicopter gunship shooting civilians... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

peruse at your leisure the video of the us military wantonly killing civilians (also known as 'the people')... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

he protected (and still does) the constitution and the people... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

the occupy movement isn't dead sillybilly - this is just the beginning as power shifts from the us/europe to china... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

revenge of the state... http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/12/22-12 stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

but interesting nonsense - meanwhile the thugs of the 1% are arming themselves for the next round. they've got lots of new weapons to try out on the 99%... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

but interesting bullshit - meanwhile the occupy movement of the 99% is coming round for another swing at 'consensus reality'. now... where did all those hippies go

interesting... http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/12/22 stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

hey, i'm ok with it