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its popular because poor people can play it. the entire sport cost the amount of one ball. we can afford better more interesting sports. by the way, its very popular among Americans when their children are young. its a safe cheap sport that both girls and boys can play together without risk of injury or to much excitement. until their motor skills are advanced enough to play a more expensive, interesting sport, of course. im kidding around for those who have a sense of humor. im no fan of soccer but respect the sport. also, every four years i jump on the bandwagon and support America's Team, that being of course, Italia. Forza Azzurri! "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

Sounds apocryphal to me. I agree. im no fan of unions but thats silly to believe they are paid in jail. I know in NYC, before they did away with the rubber rooms, teachers were paid until they were convicted. Now they can be suspended without pay if the evidence is overwhelming. Its still nearly impossible to fire one though. of course, they ARE fired for sexual offenses and obviously not paid a salary while in jail. http://cloudfront-assets.reason.com/assets/db/12639308918768.pdf so basically, if you show up to work and dont touch a kid, you have a job for life. oh and raises for getting old, no need to prove excellence or even competence. just show up. my biased opinion. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

from the report, "The Fund’s work focuses particularly on society’s most vulnerable, including low-income people, the uninsured, minority Americans, young children, and elderly adults." at least we know their motivation and why they published this report. I'd say the US is very bad at access to healthcare. I would also venture to say we have great healthcare for those who can afford it. arguably the best, again, for those who have access. we should probably find a better balance. i doubt we can ever find that without eroding the quality of care on the top. thats a hard sell for those who feel they are paying their share and deserve the best. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

Wow, you've fought wars on your own soil. I'd forgotten how unique that makes you in global society! If only there'd been a clue... i think his point is that we learned from our wars. we dont like it when people who know whats best for us, take our guns. my comment is meant to be humorous. hoping people dont get all sensitive. Having the highest homicide rate in the western industrialized world doesn't seem all that humerous to me. Compare the number of people murdered by guns since 9/10/2001 with the number of Americans killed in terrorist attacks since the same date (which, you note, INCLUDES 9/11) But who will think of the children?? cmon, man, i even made a point of stating it was not to be taking serious. having a high homicide rate in not humorous to me either. it also, has nothing to do with my point. which was a light hearted comment about the American Revolution to someone i assumed is a Brit. you are such a bore. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

Wow, you've fought wars on your own soil. I'd forgotten how unique that makes you in global society! If only there'd been a clue... i think his point is that we learned from our wars. we dont like it when people who know whats best for us, take our guns. my comment is meant to be humorous. hoping people dont get all sensitive. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

Only the Americans could refuse point blank to adopt the metric system while complaining that base 14 is too complicated! They're called kilograms, bitches. Welcome to the 20th century (you can catch the rest up later) we tried it in the 70's. we didnt like it,hah. although our military does in fact use it because its more simple. especially when counting in your head. i could not imagine trying to count pace then converting to miles then trying to add miles or half miles. my smarter friends in the artillery, who had to do real math, im sure agree with me. all kidding aside. it would be rather expensive to convert all our factories to metric. its cheaper to make car mechanics buy two sets of tools. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

"Agreed. It DOES, however, nicely illustrate the utter hypocrisy of the GOP. They did it with Cap and Trade, and they did it with healthcare Romney style. Both were fine with the Republicans until the brown guy embraced them. Quote: it also worked amazingly well and would work with CO2 emissions if implemented properly. i dont think that is even debatable. Yep. However, the anti-science party will ensure that it can't happen." i dont agree. it was supported because people believed that acid rain was real and a problem. not because it was a GOP amendment. this is not supported because people do not believe this is real and a problem. it has nothing to do with our President being a black man. thats silly. i dont agree with your Romney comment either. that was supported because people believed Romney wanted a private solution. Obamacare was fought because people do NOT believe the Dem's want a private solution. they see it as a Trojan horse to gov't run single payer and it scares them. I do not believe for a moment these people would support cap and trade if it was a GOP bill. they do not believe global warming is a real threat. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

nice try, changes nothing. it was not created by the Republicans. It was the idea of gov't bureaucrats. thats not my opinion but what happened. it also worked amazingly well and would work with CO2 emissions if implemented properly. i dont think that is even debatable. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

its easily explained by the fact you are wrong. while its true the amendment to the clear air act, that included emissions trading, was passed under Bush. it was a very popular bipartisan bill, fyi. the concept was created by bureaucrats at the Nat'l Air Pollution Control Admin in the 60's. which is the current day EPA. so cap and trade is NOT a Republican idea. as you falsely state as a fact. makes me wonder who really is ignorant of history here. this is something i have real world experience with, fyi. I was an emissions trader for an investment bank a few years back. i actually created carbon credits and carbon derivatives. both compliance market credits, ie Kyoto Protocols and the verified market credits. also a reminder, the only party i ever belonged to is the Democratic Party. so you going to have to work extra hard to attack me as an ignorant conservative. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

its called a "promoter" in the securities business. i previously mentioned to him his tone was very similar. I was called a troll for it also, hah. Not by him, though. I agree with the other gentleman here who commented these are not penny stocks nor ones that could be easily manipulated. these are legit names. IMO, he is just a rather excited investor who is looking for like minded people to chat with. unfortunately, with a very similar style to that of a stock promoter. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

What about the men that died trying to retrieve him? Seems a pretty light sentence for someone that indirectly caused the death of so many. We do not know what is true yet. if he was not right in the head and wandered off, im going to be a bit sympathetic to him. if its proven he hated America and went off to join the Taliban, i will be far less sympathetic. i would be fine with him being executed for that. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

It's also possible that, for example, he stupidly wandered off by himself, not intending it to be permanent (which is the less serious offense of AWOL, not the more serious offense of desertion), and then got his ass captured before he could clear his head and get back to the right side of the wire* - which is not "going" to the enemy. Shades of grey, dude. Embrace them. (*which is the scenario I'm increasingly thinking may be likely) It is not possible. He left, in a combat zone. Off a combat base. By himself. You have to understand how soldiers are accounted for and work. It doesnt even pass a smell test. I understand your want for him to be a freed POW. The fact of the matter is he wasnt. I'm not a combat veteran but i am a veteran of the Army. alot of my buddies are combat vets and they were saying how they knew guys who just dropped their gear and wandered off. guys not right in the head at the time. one served in Iraq the other in Afghanistan and one in Vietnam. that surprised me and got me thinking about this kid and another i read about who crossed into North Korea years ago. sad confused men who made horrible mistakes and payed for it dearly. maybe he was not right in the head. i'd like to see him tried for awol or desertion and then have him released with a dishonorable discharge. he seems to have been punished enough and im certain he has learned his lesson. also, he is a good example to other soldiers thinking it might be better to just walk away. he doesnt need to be jailed, IMO. (edited typo's) "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

there, that's a cogent argue that also stays on topic your making me laugh. your previous post was valid but sort of condescending as is this one. i believe its called a "complesult." you are complementing my point but also insulting my ability to make one. good posts and definitely made me smile. even though its at my expense. not my intent - I just see you giving them ammo by letting them divert you. sorry about that no apology needed. i think you made excellent points and at my expense, made me laugh. good job all around. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

there, that's a cogent argue that also stays on topic your making me laugh. your previous post was valid but sort of condescending as is this one. i believe its called a "complesult." you are complementing my point but also insulting my ability to make one. good posts and definitely made me smile. even though its at my expense. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

im sorry but i disagree. torture is subjective. i consider visiting my wife's friends torture and she finds pleasure in it. silly example but makes my point. some here are against the death penalty and are trying to use this execution to help their cause. i dont think this execution was torture and i dont think its a good case against capital punishment. im not arguing for revenge or even the death penalty. i think its silly and insensitive to imply this criminal was tortured and is an example of why we should end capital punishment. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

I don't think the issue is whether 'his pain' is equal or not to his victims. The comparison of the two is completely moot to the discussion and I think this weakens your argument. I also think that any 'sympathy' in the matter between what is felt for the victims (as victims) can be completely separated for any concerns about a process that failed to execute correctly (I'm concerned about the process being humane, not the predator one way or the other). Regardless of what the victims went through, that is not justification to have a sloppy process with mistakes that can be avoided. I think your point that there is evidence that he experienced simple discomfort stands alone as a good argument that the mistakes in the execution were still clinical and humane, and can be corrected in the future in an effective way. ----Then it just comes down to which account do readers choose to believe---- (which is true, and which is hyperbole to press one agenda or the other) If everything was hunky-dory why did the execution team close the curtains to prevent the witnesses from seeing what was going on? Seems like a classic COVER-UP to me. they were killing a man, i didnt mean to imply it was hunky-dory. i dont know how to run an execution, so i can only speculate on why they pulled the curtain. i imagine, they wanted to investigate why it didnt go as planned and thought it might upset the visitors. similiar to Dr's pulling the curtain in the ER or a hospital room. sometimes its not for privacy of the patient but to protect others from seeing icky things. i dont really care actually. i read the NYT article and do not think he was tortured. i DO think his victim, the one anally raped, shot and buried alive suffered a fate closer to torture, though. i suspect you dont really care about her. she doesnt help and is actually a hindrance to your political agenda. you and the other poster would serve your cause better if you just ignored this thread and waited for a more sympathetic criminal to be executed. possibly one who didnt anally rape a women, shoot her and bury her alive. just my 2 cents. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

I don't think the issue is whether 'his pain' is equal or not to his victims. The comparison of the two is completely moot to the discussion and I think this weakens your argument. I also think that any 'sympathy' in the matter between what is felt for the victims (as victims) can be completely separated for any concerns about a process that failed to execute correctly (I'm concerned about the process being humane, not the predator one way or the other). Regardless of what the victims went through, that is not justification to have a sloppy process with mistakes that can be avoided. I think your point that there is evidence that he experienced simple discomfort stands alone as a good argument that the mistakes in the execution were still clinical and humane, and can be corrected in the future in an effective way. ----Then it just comes down to which account do readers choose to believe---- (which is true, and which is hyperbole to press one agenda or the other) Clearly, if DP is required, then doing it quickly, painlessly and without angst is the only way to administer it as a humane society. This is true regardless of the nature of the crime, the type of predator, or the experience of the victims or families. she is claiming torture. since that word is subjective, we need a reference point. i chose his victim. obviously, i did that to make a point. i want people to remember who truly suffered here. it was the women who was anally raped, shot and buried alive. she seems to have more animosity for me and other posters than him. i think thats odd. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

"Evidence the fact of the tortured execution of the perp in Oklahoma." you supplied the opinion of HIS lawyer and anti death penalty activist as evidence of torture. according to the NYT, a very liberal paper, he sat up and said, "oh man". he was unconscious in a matter of a few minutes and died about 45 minutes later. so using his crime as a reference for torture. he might have suffered some discomfort for 90 seconds before he became unconscious. his victim was anally raped, then shot with a shotgun and buried alive. IMO, he was not tortured in comparison to his victim. what is humorous to me is that i am not even an advocate of the death penalty. i would be fine with life with no chance of parole. i just cannot relate to your belief that this was barbarous torture. it actually saddens me that you seem to have more sympathy for this man than his victims. i just cannot understand how you show so much animosity on this site for me and others while almost none towards this obviously horrible man. just weird. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

i formed my opinion after reading the NYTs but no matter what his lawyer and the Guardian says. i do not think his death was torture. certainly not compared to the bronze age as you state. its just my opinion. he was uncomfortable for a few minutes. thats not torture, thats mild discomfort. i reserve my sympathy for this person's victims. one of which he anally raped, shot and then forced her friend to bury alive. i cannot find sympathy for him in this situation. perhaps, if he was boiled in a giant metal bull, yes. considering how he died rather quickly compared to say, being anally raped, shot and buried alive. no sympathy. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

not sure if your responding to the last post or asking me a question. so, ill just answer it. yes, the thread has turned into an abortion is equal to an execution thread. abortion was brought up to distract you from the fact he anally raped a women, shot her, then forced her friend to bury her alive. Also, to distract you from the fact he did not die horribly or slowly but rather calmly with a mild irritation to his arm. . "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

I'm not a Christian and am pro choice so you will have to find another way to personally attack me. This man did not die horribly and slowly. it was reported they missed a vein, a mild discomfort for any adult who has gotten a needle. he sat up and was quoted as saying, "man." that does not sound horrible at all. Id say anal rape is far worse. which is what he did to his victim before he shot her and then made her friend bury her alive. This guy and this execution is not the best example for ending the death penalty. you should find another one. one with a more sympathetic killer and more painful death. i think this example misses on both points. i save all my sympathy for his victims. (edited non material typo) "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

They typically do after they lose their job. I don't disagree with your points. I guess my question is how do you determine what the employees are worth? Is it by how much profit they bring to the company or is it through more tangible factors like how much it would cost for a machine to flip burgers? IMO, people are no different than anything. they are worth what others are willing to pay. how does Kim Kardashian make more money than the head of the E network she works for? pretty simple to me. they are willing to pay her more than the head. to them, she is worth more. no one likes to admit they might not be worth much to their employer but its a fact of life. my boss always reminds me when i get uppity that the graveyard is full of indispensable people. it reminds me that im probably not as important as i think. again, i feel if they really believe they are worth 15 bucks an hour than they should quit. certainly, if they are worth it, someone else will pay it. (edited non material but annoying typos) "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

"Another point...If a company is making ridiculous profits and not paying their employees accordingly, why should the government have to offset the companies greediness with housing supplements and food assistance programs?" the purpose of a company is to make a profit for its shareholders not to provide pay for its employee. people agree to provide labor for a wage. how much the company makes is not relevant to the employees wages. many people feel their pay should be connected to the companies profits, obviously you are one, but its not how it works. when you accept a job you agree to work for a particular wage. unless your employee agree's to share the profits with you then its not a factor. do you feel an employee should share in the companies loses? im sure you do not but it would only be fair if they feel obligated to share the profits. If MCD's employees do not want to work for their wage, they are free to leave. pretty simple. if you deserve 15 bucks an hour then certainly you can earn it elsewhere. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

i will let me wife know. she might give the idea a second look. thanks "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante

I cannot play IPO's because I'm restricted from buying any "hot issue" due to my work. with that said, i would NOT anyway because i agree with you. the exception being if i could get the net syndicate price, which only a very select few will get. i doubt anyone, including me, is discussing that. the reason being its a gamble and very difficult to predict where its going to trade. the bankers are doing their best to price the stock low enough that their institutional customers will fill the book. BUT they also are trying to get the highest price for their customer, the issuer. all of this is done overnight behind closed doors. even the market maker who will open the stock isnt involved. there is just too many factors you cannot evaluate in buying an IPO that make it seem like a gamble, IMO. without being involved in the discussions the bankers, the issuer and the institution clients are having, you are just guessing. only they know the true demand of the street and what the issuer is willing to settle for. "The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante