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No Sparky, I was pissed that the original question got that sidetracked so quickly into the thread, and that assumptions were made that are very false. Some of the posts in this thread were pretty good and some were helpful. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

Yea, the end there was the basis for my argument, the fact that most everyone that has been in that situation, or a very similar one, and has actually gone for their main because of instinctive reaction, and I was wondering if training to go for the reserve was the right thing to do if it never works (I do not know if it has worked before, so please go easy on me if I have not found a thread/story/video/post where it has worked). Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

I have a lot of respect for that. Reminds me a lot about training in judo & kali. You really do go back to the basics that you know. I really do have to go. Thank you for the input. Maybe we will cross paths one day. I bet you could teach me more in a day than I would learn in 3 months. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

I agree. I know one forum in particular. I also agree that the reserve is the best one to hit but it was more an impossible question of a very complicated response to a situation, and as we can see from the video, his response to the situation was his instinct, which was his main, and he was pretty lucky to say the least. I always wore an audible for my wingsuit jumps. I really enjoy wingsuits. I picked it up very quickly and I did notice that the audible was much louder, well, I was falling at less than half the speed that I normally do so it should be louder. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

That was a very insightful post. Thank you. I have made 6+ actual pre-deployment procedures as you described, and that is why, when I read that reply to the video I has to ask... It has been on my mind. I think that it would take more practice than is practical to really override that natural response of pitching the main. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

I agree in absolute. I asked a very specific question and I am regretting bringing it up in this forum because I know these threads always, without any doubt, unless they are in a very specific forum, de-rail. This is not about 15k to 3k. This is about after that. The moment nothing can be taken back and no matter how many times you (not you) have said "I will never be in that position," it is about that time it happens to someone and they don't have time to even say ****, how did I end up at this altitude, ok.. so what do I do. I asked a simple debate about whether training to go for silver at that altitude is worth the risk basically. Can we close this thread now please. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

It felt very much like you were implying that this was an ongoing issue, which it is not. It has happened once where it was dangerous, other times I was being held on to an instructor, and stepping off a cessna in AFF. That is all. I think we both took each other's remarks down incorrectly and I apologize. I do not want to get into a personal debate here, I do not have the time right now and frankly, I do not want to waste my time or energy on that. I wanted a little input, and what you said immediately put me in the defensive. And yes, please do not comment again. I want this thread closed. Do you realize that this has nothing to do with what the thread is for... like, at all. This thread isn't about sitting there and stopping time if you turn and look at the ground and it is coming at you like that. You can't stop and think about what you just wrote. It is about what to do when you have more adrenaline surge through you than you have ever had before. What is the best course of action? Is the action that is being advised the best? That is the only question I brought up. That is it. Stop writing. Read the post I wrote before this and it will save you a lot of time. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

Because some people seem to not be fully absorbing my first post in this thread I will break this down as simple as possible. 1. I saw the video and the talking of going for reserve when you are low came into question when I saw that he had, basically, saved his life by less than 1/8th of a second. 2. I stopped to think about it. 3. I started writing about what I thought in this thread. 4. The question of this thread was whether adding the training, which may become a possible liability in a bad scenario, would help, or if it should even be taught in the first place if instinct is to go for the main every time. And, is it even possible to override that instinct reaction. Personally, I think the instinct reaction and quick critical thinking is what keeps people alive in this sport, and the people that cannot make the correct ones and be calmer under the pressure leave or don't make it. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

This is a hypothetical question. I have never had a two-out and I had a jump where I lost altitude awareness and pitched instinctively and my alti showed 1650. I was questioning the time penalty's worth. That was kinda the whole question. Very glad to hear everything turned out o.k. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

Yea, that is the conclusion I came to, but I wanted input, as the title stated. Obviously, I was wrong to come to this forum and expect something different than what happened in half an hour from the start of this thread. Thank you for that post by the way. Best wishes. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

Why do you think that I have a 5k and 3.5 k set? 5k = breakoff 3.5k = pull time 1.8k = a line of defense in case something were to go seriously wrong in the jump, such as a bag-lock, and it would help to keep me in the loop with the 120 mph total mal.... think about it. I lost altitude awareness and I took it very seriously so back off. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

Moderator, please close this thread. I am not replying to this anymore. This is out-of-hand with assumptions and off-topic discussion. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

Have you ever lost altitude awareness? At all? Never in your whole career? Yes, I have, and I responded to it by taking it very seriously when it happened. I do not care if you have or not, I outlined in my post that I had, and that is why I took precautions. It is not a problem so do not presume to know me as if you jump with me on a regular basis. Well, you didn't answer it. Don't plan on trying either. Do what you wish with your audible, and I will do what I wish with mine. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

O.K. I don't think that I got the point across through the first post. This is only if a scenario presents itself if you are within range where your AAD may go off depending on circumstances out of your control, regardless of mistakes, so please do not start a debate about altitude awareness. That is why I underlined what this thread was about in the first post... it is about the decision to learn to go for the reserve at that altitude in the first place. And yes, I know that they were in the mountains with wind drift and in the wrong location. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

I saw that reply to the video about 2 minutes before I began writing this thread. And yes, it is a serious matter, because new skydivers, like yourself, are being told these things as you learn your skills to survive in this sport, and the only way to clear up questions is talking with each other from experience. This is not a large community. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

I guess it just comes down to how much more complicated do you want your procedures to be. Every complication requires attention and time. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

O.K. My background very quickly. I have been jumping for about four years, with a few months gaps twice. I have roughly 411 skydives right now and a C-License. I train almost always in freefly, mostly sitfly with some headdown work, and I have jumped a wingsuit, a Phantom 2, about 25 times. I have made mistakes with altitude awareness myself and have trained for the specific scenario below more thoroughly because of an experience I had a few months ago, when I realized that I was at 1650' and I went for my main instinctively. I ended up with only my main out and I was very lucky to have my canopy open so quickly. I saw this video and it has raised a question that I have thought about before, but not exactly from this angle I am bringing up. Here is the video: http://www.iloveskydiving.org/view/videos/friday-freakout-skydiver-nearly-impacts-mountain/ Here is the reply to the video from that website: (I underscored what I wanted your input on. This is the only reason I created this thread.) Holy &$@%, this is intense! This video should serve as a reminder to always maintain altitude awareness, deploy your reserve when you’re this low, and always spot – even if you’re not the first group exiting… especially in the mountains. Their audidbles and AADs didn’t help in this situation because they were set for a landing area at a much lower altitude, and drifting in freefall may have also been a contributing factor. If anything, learn from this video to avoid the same mistakes; it could’ve ended much worse. Blue skies and soft landings everyone. Be safe! ------------------------------------------------------------------- Alright. I trained myself, very thoroughly after that experience, to go for my reserve and not my main if either of these two scenarios presented: 1. I was at a low altitude again, still in freefall with no attempt to deploy yet, because of a malfunction of equipment (I have set both audibles to go off at 5k, 3.5k, and 1.8k -- one method of training being if I hear the asystole-like beep that goes off at 1.8k, I go immediately for my reserve). 2. I was at a low altitude, also still in freefall with no attempt to deploy yet, because of lack of focus and complacency. Now, in both situations I believe that the best course of action, based on the best chance of survival and disregarding anything not mechanical in nature, would be to deploy your reserve -- being the nature of the reserve canopy's faster deployment system. My question is this and the scenario to explain it is this: >I am in freefall and I turn to look at the ground and my altimeter at the same time. I read 1500'. 1. I know from past experience that my initial, and most importantly instinctive reaction, is to pitch my main. 2. I know the above is absolutely what everyone else has ever done without exception to my knowledge, no matter what currency or how many jumps they have. My Question, or I guess, argument is this: Why am I training myself to make a decision (to pull my reserve at a given moment) that will take up time in the air that I absolutely need to save my life, when my initial instinct from both hundreds of jumps and the shock of the low altitude will most likely end up with me pitching my main. If I in fact am able to pull off pitching my reserve through a lot of training it should take time to think about the situation, even if it is 1 second or less. Watch that video again when he turns to look at the ground and see if he had 1 more second of freefall to make that crucial instinctive pitch, even 1/8 of a second, and if that were me and I had stopped and thought for a split second to go for my main or reserve from my practice, whether it was technically the correct move to give me the best chance of survival not being the question, my training to go for my reserve may have killed me. How many of us would pitch our main faster than our reserve, going 130 mph towards the ground and just realizing how low we were. My guess is that most of us would find the main a lot faster to activate. (I mean, how much practice would be necessary to override that instinctive reaction that has proved itself true over and over again) I have just never thought about it that way before. Maybe pitching my main and going with my instincts, which I probably won't be able to override in the first place, would be the best course of action -- and then dealing with a possible AAD two-out after I my main is either open or opening. Should I "deploy [my] reserve when [I'm] low..."? Just a thought. Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision.

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