Ion01

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  1. If they can't afford it, they will be able to get it bought for them by the gov. I know, such a luxury to have for free..... next thing they will be allowed to eat and breath. Actually, thats not true....if they can't afford it they can't buy it and they will be fined by the government. Also, why should I have to pay for someone else beause they didn't work thier butt off through school like I did and didn't make the tough decisions like I did early on? How is that fair that they get something free because they weren't responsible and I not only have to pay for myself but for them as well? And what does any of that have to do with freedom and when in the constitution is congress given the power to tax people for healthcare? Its not their... and don't try the welfare excuse because the constitution specifically lists (if you read on) what congress can and can't tax for and even some of the dems in congress admit that the constitution doesn't doesn't give them the power but, as one of them said, the constitution doesn't give congress the power to do a lot of the things it does.
  2. Oh..... how about thanking him for all the people he employed to build his house and all the other companies that employee numerous people that he had to purchase all the stuff he fills his house with? Ever wonder why the dems decided not to make regulation against company executives and thier aircraft? Because of the thousands and thousands of people that would loose jobs becuase they wouldn't be building aircraft for company executives!
  3. Its his money not yours so what does it matter how much anyone needs. You don't need to jump. You don't need a computer. You don't need a TV and couch...... If you had the knowledge and took the huge risks he did then you could have what he has.....but you instead just choose to be jealous and class envious. What about Obama's huge house. At least this other guy made his money lagitimately instead of through the manditory taking of money from the people (we call that taxes of which obama is going to have more of). Why not thank the guy for all the jobs he created with his company and all the other businesses and corporations that created jobs due to their business with his company? Why not thank him for all the people he has given the opportunity to provide plenty for themselves and thier families through thier employment with him? Why not thank him for giving so many the chance to live the american dream? On the other hand we can thank Obama for forcing everyone to buy something they may or may not want or may or may not be able to afford.........
  4. Just something to consider when looking at the big picture here: Under Reagan 2 f-14 were fired upon by lybian migs. Reagan promptly bombed the lybian palace and left it at that. No talks....no 7 year long war. Went straight to the source and made a simple statement with his actions. Nobody even considered touching the US after that. It didn't cost billions of dollars of thousands of US lives either.
  5. Although true to avoid debating such things as healthcare by making such a statement is, at least, unacceptable. Besides, people like obama are supposed to be civil servants and to continually state you "won" is hardly in line with serving the people.
  6. This reminds me of Star Wars (yes I am a nerd but there is a point to this reference). When anakin and padme are talking about all the bad things happening (they are hiding on padme's home planet and in a feild) anakin says that people should be made to do whats right to which padme says who will make them? (not a direct quote.) Interesting how that elitist atitude leads. To think that you know better than everyone else is so unbeleivably prideful. To think that you or someone else such as the government should be making decisions for people is no different than what happens in the movie and all leads to the same place. The government was established in america to keep us free and to protect our freedoms. Not to protect us from ourselves and protect us from the consequense (be it good or bad) of our decisions that we have the freedom to make.
  7. Also, incase you missed it, here is another one.
  8. And people like Strom Thurmond are another reason we are in the mess we are in. Both parties have given way to corrupt and power hungry people.
  9. Ever heard of Maxine Waters? She is a Representative from California. Here is what she said: Once again another democrat admitting that thier goal is to "take over"! Are you just going to continue to make excuses for these people or actually start listening to thier own words.
  10. P.S - THERE WAS NO LIVE BATTLE - JUST A FUCKING TURKEY SHOOT BY WANKERS. So, taking away wounded people is a crime that warrants being shot, does it? Puts ambulance chasing into a whole new category Its a war.... the whole country is a live battle!........and thats why seven years is rediculous.
  11. So many of you have an idea about how they should approach this situation but if you apply that same idea to a scenerio in when men are armed the helicopter pilots would most likely be dead. And you all seem so concerned about the lives in this one video but where is the concern for the thousands of US soldiers that have died for us and our freedom? Or the ones that are injured? Or all of the soldiers who went there to risk thier lives so we could all sit back here and critisize thier every move? All the soldiers, just like these two, who wake up every morning not knowing if it will be thier last? All the soldiers who know that every decision they make could result in thier death or thier friends death? NO! Lets all set back here in our comfy seats and whine how they need to be brought back and prosecuted for fighting a war for us!
  12. Wanker They are fighting a war yet people over here refuse to see it that way. People here look at it like they are the police over there. We have been there too long and in war there are always going to be non-militant casualties. The reason we have been there so long is we haven't fought it like a war.
  13. Lets make it really simple regarding the "transparency" of the government under obama. Well, considering there were numerous closed door debates its pretty clear that in this case obama was simply lying. Does it really matter if he has the most transparent government (which he doesn't) if he lies? Want to know how much he has lied? Go here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/ Thats just the president. How about all the tax cheats and liers around him that he has recruited?
  14. Ion01

    Topeka it...

    Its called: april fools day!
  15. Which nicely illustrates why HC reform will be one of the best economic stimilus packages out there. It doesn't stimulate anything if knowone gets payed. Thats currently a huge issue with medicare and medicaid. Few doctors accept it becuase they don't pay out. Some pharmicies are refusing to accept it becuase they don't get payed either. This is one of the reasons healthcare cost so much as is. In addition, how can insurance companies afford to pay when you have thousands and thousands of people that must now be covered with pre-existing conditions that have never payed into the system. The companies will have to pay out more than they take in which can't be done. Also, the bill doesn't allow for privately own hospitals which will result in some hospitals having to close such as the new one being built in Oklahoma. This will result in hundreds of jobs lost just in that area not to mention its impact on the numerous construction companies who wont get payed and the suppliers etc. Also, the bill forces all student loans to go through the government which is immediately putting thousands out of a job. Companies are already being effected such as catepillar will loose over 100million in the first year alone due to the healthcare bill. This is just one of numerous companies which employee thousands of people who may be employeeing less as a result. Higher taxes won't help any business or individual and thats something the dems fully admit but jsut claim thats the tough decision that had to be made. There are other taxes such as taxes specifically on tanning. That won't help that industry either. (of course if we taxed something most black people did that would be racist but since its something mostly white people do its not). So where in all that is the stimulus?
  16. So.....coverage does not equal treatment. More people are denied by our own government than private insurance does here. In places that have the system you want people either have to wait so long it doesn't matter or they are simply denied due to rationing. Would it be sustainable if car insurance covered "pre-existing damages"? Obviously no! Why and how could a company pay out for damages to a car to a person who hasn't payed them a cent? It simply isn't mathmatically possible yet we are asking this very thing. Coverage by the government doesn't really mean much. Here is one example: They can't hardly get wheelchairs. How easy is it to get surgery? How about this: How about this: Even if you wanted to pay for the drugs yourself you aren't allowed to. And this to top it off: Does all this sound good to you? I've worked my butt off so my wife and children will have insurance but now, after all my hard work, they will be put at risk to make up for all the people who CHOSE not to provide insurance for themselves, wife, and/or kids. Explain to me how that is fair that my family should be punished for being responsible and other rewarded for not being responsible.
  17. Just get a protec. It provides more side protection over the ears and you could easily put a audible in it. Its cheap and safe. http://www.parachuteshop.com/PROTEC_HELMET.htm
  18. Also, the book you refer too never says its true because it said in the book. It actually says to test or prove all things. In another place a church was complimented for not simply accept the words of the apostles and others but they studied and proved them to be true first. The bible actually teaches, in romans 1, that we are to look at the evidence and through the evidence of the world we prove God and those that don't beleive are "without excuse" because the evidence is everywhere. The bible actually teaches that blind belief is wrong.
  19. You all also seem to forget there is this thing called free will which means people can do bad things to other people and bad things happen. We and the world are not a bunch of robots. Also, God is not the only power at work according to the bible. Also, ever read the book of Job? Its all about why God even then wouldn't just heal random people or intervene whenever something bad happens. In fact, its about how he uses the bad things ultimately for good.
  20. Actually, that book was written by numerous people and there are numerous other writings confirming what they said which include some roman historians. It is all well documented and was undisputed at the time. In fact it was all more well documented that most historical "fact" about many other nations and what they did or who they conquered etc. Even those who opposed christ didn't deny the miracles happened. It all happened in a society which was highly documented and phyosophy, debate, and writing was a huge. Thousands and thousands saw these miracles. If it was all false why isn't there at least one documented case of someone saying that the guy wasn't really blind or they saw this guy later and he couldn't walk again or they saw how he trick everyone. In fact there is a case of a magician/sorcerer who tried to buy the ability to do miracles and was denied. Why didn't he oust them? We have a bunch of writings from him. We actually know more about the situations surrounding the death of jesus from roman history than from the collect of writings we call the bible.
  21. STUPID analogy. Statement does not equal fact. Why is it stupid? Explain how fishing equates to healthcare, and you may have a point. Its about teaching someone to take care of themselves which may include getting healthcare or not gettting healthcare and saving thier money to pay for it themselves or whatever they choose. It all comes down to people making thier own decisions. The healthcare bill would like to just give them a fish which doesn't actually help because people won't provide for themselves which means the system will ultimately collapse. I made the decision to not have healthcare for years and as a result I invested it in 2 houses which I couldn't have had if I did have healthcare during that period. I made the decision to take care of myself by not having healthcare and as a result I can now take care of myself and numerous others which includes healthcare. The government won't let me make that decision anymore and had they not back then I wouldn't have that ability today.
  22. Sadly, the answer is simple, and is explained clearly in 1 Cor 13, that miracles will cease because of the establishment and growth of the church. Second, as christ illustrated in the healing of the blind man, these situation exist for the glorification of God. Put them together and you will understand that the intent is that god be glorified through the church and since the church is just a group of people then the people must do good, or it is a sin for them not to do good, so people will want to join the church. Put that with 1 Cor 13 and you will see again that the focus, glofication, and what is to draw people to the church is love. What 1 Cor 13 is basically saying is that miracles will be replaced with love and really, which is more important. The restoration of an amputees limbs or love and mercy? Obviously, love. So simple yet so few religious organizations truely understand this idea and live by it. Others are just confused by it and are "blinded" as the bible says they will be as they don't want to really see what is important.
  23. STUPID analogy. Statement does not equal fact. Why is it stupid? Explain to me who does it benefit someone by giving them money while they sit on a street corner so that they can go buy more alchohol and drugs and continue to kill themselves? Explain to me how just giving someone some money or putting them on a government program is better for them than giving them a job or taking them in and giving them an opportunity to go back to school and better thier situation? Explain to me how its better to just hand some money to someone through the window of your car or just giving them government handouts is better than picking them up and taking them to a privately owned shelter which provides them with technical training so they can better thier situation and contribute to society instead of constantly taking from society?
  24. I too want to take care of people....which brings me to the "give a man a fish feeds him for a day; teach a man to fish feed him for life" principle. The reality is it takes more effort to teach the man to fish. The reality is in a free society it falls to the individuals to take care of people. We can no longer ignore the needs of people around us by saying "the government has a program for that" and "I already payed taxes that thier living off of." It puts the responsibility on the individual. A couple of examples: When the earthquake happen in Haiti the american public gave more money in a single day than the government gave....and, lets face it, if the government wanted to out do the public it couldn't come close. In the healthcare bill private hospitals such as the childrens hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma must become "public" (government run). This hospital is for children with cancer and saves thier lives. It is run with private donations. The government hasn't and can't match what they do. Events for raising money are set up where private companies donate huge sums for advertising purposes and things. But with the increase in taxes and such private companies can no longer afford to support such hospitals for advertising or otherwise because we must redistribute the wealth!
  25. This, in fact, wouldn't work as they keep having kids because we pay them too. We call it welfare. The more kids you have the more money you get. They could have abortions now but they want the kids because they want more money. The real solution is to stop pay for them to have kids. Then, once again, they must be responsible for thier own actions meaning if they have to actually live with the extra expense of a kid they won't have a kid.