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I asked the question whether anyone here knew about flour bag jumps in the '60s. No one answered. Get this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1074060/index.htm August 13, 1962 Sports Illustrated. Sixth World Championships at Orange New Jersey. Also for sale at the center are such accessories as a wind-drift indicator, a striped baton to hand to another sky diver during free fall, a combination altimeter and stopwatch, a ladies' fancy-colored jump suit and a Sky Diver flour bag filled with flour for "smoke jumps." The bag is attached to your leg and trails a smooth stream of "smoke" during free fall. It permits a kind of nonmechanical skywriting. You fuckers are holding out on me! Don't make me sneak into your houses and mess with your reserve pack! Now, ask yourself, how's a whuffo like me know about flour bag jumps from the sixties? (edit) sorry for the temp nutty overbolding..I should have previewed my post. Also updated source url. (edit) video of a modern flour bag jump. (lots of jumpers) ..Interesting these guys have bags attached by rope, so the bags flop in the air behind them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyzloR06ZIo&feature=player_embedded# Has anyone done a flour bag jump like this in the modern era? This seems different than the thing described in '62. Airtwardo could give us some detail, I suspect.

I think I'm the only reader Petey has in the whole world. Have I read everything he's written? Probably. here's sept. 30, 2005 Titled "Nation of Cowards" Returning to America after thirty years traveling about Asia and the Middle East, I experienced a reversed culture shock. I was stunned at how frightened Americans are. As a Vietnamese living in New Orleans resently said. "The hurricane was nothing new for us Vienamese. We have had so much worse experiences. However it was different for the Americans.They were so terrified." It's so easy to control the American people. Frighten them and they'll follow you like docile sheep.All bush has to do to get his rating back up in the ninety percentile is to stage another "terrorist" attack. The masses along with their Democrat leaders will fall right in line. They'll be led to the slaughter. Fear cripples a nation. If we are occupied by another nation, see how many Quizlings grovel at the feet of their conquerors. It will be an interesting observations. Soon after the World Trade Center disaster, Newsweek interviewed Moms across the nation who were the soccer moms. They said without exception that they were now security moms and shifted their allegience to the Republican Party. They didn't care about freedom any longer. They wanted security. They wanted their children to be protected from the "enemy". Is this why generation after generation fought and died for our Bill of Rights? So that a nation of wimps could hand it over to a gang of Nazi plutocrats?

The book account is correct and visible thru google books (pages are correct). I've decided you all are too lazy so I'm not going to include the url... I just noticed that Petey's account here, had him "ordered to leave"...which is interesting since the brother's wife mentioned that suspicion (being kicked out of china, according to Bruce's interview) this is off a web comments section, posted 4 June, 2009 I witnessed the worst of the Tiananmen Massacre at Muxidi. It is documented on pages 24 & 25 of Alan L. Heil, jr. book, "Voice of America, A History". Alan Pessin, VOA Bureau Chief in Beijing, broadcast my account countless times in Mandarin throughout China, and thus was ordered to leave. Fortunately I'd left, for camera crews arrived at my school, the College of Economic Management, to film me. A condensed version was published in the Plaza, a Japanese bilingual magazine. I have photos of Hey while I'm at it: around the time I passed the name to Carr, we had the episode with the Night Clerk From China showing up at an FBI office somewhere and giving an interview. Since at the time I was all into Petey and his travels everywhere, including his stint teaching English as a second language in China, and the Night Clerk was supposedly in China as ESL teacher, I was sure there was something weird going on... but apparently not... It's funny how you can't trust anything anyone says on this. Everyone is full of shit. Larry Carr is the most full of shit.

I said Petey referred to himself as Pete. I wanted to back up that claim. The following is a post Petey made elsewhere on the web. (this one is from Feb 12, 2005). It's typical of many posts of his, and aligns with his book. Aw come on Cherry Pie. You remind me of Goebbles. Of course our troops target journalist. Our snipers in Faluja targeted unarmed civilians, women and children, some only infants. How can I be so sure? As Rap Brown said: "Violence is as American as Mom and cherry pie." What am I basing my opinion on. Seven years as a refugee advisor in Vietnam's Mekong Delta. I witnessed all sorts of genocide on a regular basis. You name it I saw it. However, it was the photos that the GI's carried about in their wallets. Atrocities that they'd committed and posed for. Photos that they were so proud of. They were a sign of manhood. They were so anxious to share them with me. Some had never even been in combat. One GI worked in the kitchen ordering around a crew of moma-sons. He found some bodies stacked behind a connex box. He got a clever and hacked off a couple of heads and had his mate take his picture holding the heads by their. He'd jammed lit cigarette in their mouths. Don't tell me about our fine upstanding GI's. I don't buy it. Oh yes, as for freedom, have you got around to reading Patriot Acts I & II??? Pete It's all about pattern matching. See here at SI we suck in the entire web every night, and then run proprietary search algorithms, on current web, and even tracking deltas to old web. We use that to project the actions of the world, and profit accordingly. We see all bandwidth as good bandwidth, as more raw data improves our matching capabilities. Here's another post by Petey, for example. circa 2005. There are more recent posts. In 2005 Petey was roughly 79ish? So yes Orange1, I know old folks can use computers. Isn’t time to stop lying and tell the truth. We Americans are barbarians. We always have been ever since our calvary massacred the Indians in a systematic manner. Winter Soldier is right on target. A World War II Marine, I spent seven years in Vietnam throughout much the war. As a refugee advisor in the Mekong Delta I witnessed atrocities of innocent civilians on a regulart bases. The napalm and white phosphorus were the worst. Seeing villagers taht I had known personally burned alive is a horror I will never forget. The Special Forces called them barbacue runs. The combat grunts (70% were REMF)all had photos of atrocities they’d committed and posed for them. They were proud. It was the macho thing to do. Those of girls and women were the worst. Many had necklaces of peoples ears that they enjoyed wearing in the province capital(s) Then there was the CIA and their interrogation centers at every province capital. Vietnamese trained at the University of the Americas at Fort Benning usually carried out thes atrtocities but were supervised by CIA operatives. Yes, Jane Fonda is a brave American hero. I admire her intestinal fortitude.

I was thinking about "wasting bandwidth" Let's analyze that. Using Google Chrome, I can get a breakdown of how much time different aspects of a web page "read" takes here. For instance, on this page, it breaks down (for me, will vary depending on your connection) 569ms Documents (ms is milliseconds) 69ms Stylesheets 195ms Images 235ms Scripts 1.44s total (so if you notice you have to wait for the page, and it seems slow, that's why) The scripts are mostly related to the targeted advertising. If I multiply the amount of "time" and bandwidth consumed by the advertising images, and more silently but deadly, the scripts, times all the users of dz.com, anything I do is negligible in comparison, in terms of "wasting bandwidth". let's see, I can get "size" info also. the "largest" stuff is associated with advertising also. looking back on www.dropzone.com size: documents 31.5KB documents 23.69KB stylesheets 244.39KB images 75.46KB scripts (javascripts) 375.04KB total So just going to www.dropzone.com forces you to download 375.04KB of stuff. (then more on every page as you navigate down) latency: 171ms documents 120ms stylesheets 145ms images 528ms scripts (typically ad related) 1.41s total Why doesn't Sparky complain about all that? Why is that "good" but me bad? ascii text is an incredibly concise, low-bandwidth way of transmitting information in comparison. And I think the text is what Sparky doesn't like? He probably doesn't click on any of the attachments I add. are the attachments the problem, or the text?

I'm reading the description of the jump in Power's book (published just 2004) and it's incredibly gripping. He didn't use the ejection seat. He climbed out! 377 will love the detail. The U2 is spinning out of control, the g-forces are pinning him, the pressure suit isn't working, and he climbs out. (part of all that contributed to why he wasn't able to auto-destruct the U-2) starts here, then a couple pages till he jumps http://books.google.com/books?id=O5qOKyrpQPkC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59#v=onepage&q=&f=false He didn't pull his rip, the the auto-deploy thing (at 15k feet?) kicked in before he decided to try. I like this paragraph And then I thought: I've just got to try to save myself now. Kicking and squirming, I must have broken the oxygen hoses, because suddenly I was free, my body just falling, floating perfectly free. It was a pleasant, exhilarating feeling. Even better than floating in a swimming pool, I remember thinking. I must have been in shock. and later The first thing to do when the parachute opens, I had been taught in Air Force survival school, is to look up and make sure the chute has billowed correctly. This I was reluctant to do, since, having only one chute, I was not anxious to discover whether it had failed. reading the back cover, I didn't realize Powers died in 1977 in a helicopter crash. The book was originally published in 1970? from wikipedia: After his return, Powers worked for Lockheed as a test pilot from 1963 to 1970. In 1970, he co-wrote a book titled Operation Overflight: A Memoir of the U-2 Incident, which led to his termination from Lockheed as a result of negative publicity over the book. He then became an airborne traffic reporter for radio station KGIL in the San Fernando Valley. He was then hired by Los Angeles television station KNBC to pilot their new "telecopter," a helicopter equipped with externally mounted 360 degree cameras. Powers died on August 1, 1977. Returning from covering brush fires in Santa Barbara county, his helicopter ran out of fuel and crashed in the Sepulveda Dam Recreation Area just a few miles from Burbank Airport. In 1998, newly declassified information revealed that Powers’ mission had been a joint USAF/CIA operation. good detail on the helicopter crash here http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/Powers-N4TV.htm

I hate to argue with my esteemed colleague from the farflung edges of the galaxy, but there's no evidence I know of, that says the Kents were consumed. I would also note it's a "micronite filter" (see 3rd photo, which is almost the same as Powers except for the blue closure seal) I've attached a picture of the actual smokes in question. It's not clear if the package had more at some time. Gary specifically said he did not reach for his Kents, when a Laika was offered. The Kents were taken, along with the other items in the photo. Maybe some of the captors smoked some? (the account below says the pack in Moscow is half-full, but that seems subjective?) There is no account of how many cigarettes were there, or how many are in the display in Moscow, now. First picture is the items Powers had when captured, from the Moscow Frontier museum. Second picture is a package of Laikas. Picture courtesy of http://users.ap.net/~burntofferings/adspowersphotos.html? and from http://users.ap.net/~burntofferings/packspowers.html (these details are confirmed in Gary's account) On May 1st, 1960, CIA pilot Francis Gary Powers flew an espionage mission over the USSR that ended in his becoming a pawn in the Cold War. From a base in Pakistan, Powers' Lockheed U-2 spyplane was to overfly Russia photographing military installations and gathering intelligence data. Known to the Soviets as "The Black Lady of Espionage," the high altitude U-2 was destroyed by a missile and Powers captured when he parachuted into a village near Sverdlovsk in central Russia. Wreckage of the U-2 was displayed in Moscow's Gorky Park, along with Powers' silenced .22 caliber pistol, poisoned suicide pin, 24 gold coins, and his half-full pack of Kent cigarettes. Thirty-one year old Francis Gary Powers was sentenced to three years in Vladimir Prison plus an additional seven years in a corrective labor colony, but was exchanged for Soviet master spy Colonel Rudolph Abel after serving one year, nine months, and ten days. The 1959 Kent package pictured below is almost identical to the pack Powers carried in a pocket of his pressure-suit. The only difference is the blue federal excise tax stamp. The tax stamp had been discontinued in June 1959 and replaced with a blue closure seal. One last piece of cigarette trivia: One of the village men who had captured Francis Gary Powers offered him a "Laika." Laika was a Russian filter tipped cigarette named for the dog sent into space aboard Sputnik II. Although he didn't read, write or speak Russian, Laika was easy for Powers to identify because the paper package used a picture of the famous dog for a logo. Powers thought the cigarette tasted much like its American counterparts.

wow cool farflung. I see the soviets still have his parachute on display. here's the account from Gary himself in his book, of when he was landing after the jump. 377 will like this. he talks about trying to steer his round ..:) (just published 2004, so may be new to folks) http://books.google.com/books?id=O5qOKyrpQPkC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68#v=onepage&q=&f=false trivia: he had a pack of Kents (cigarettes) in his pocket when he landed. (edit) he says he just missed power lines by 25 ft. Like you guys were saying: you jump into the middle of nowhere...you end up heading straight for the nearest power line.

well posted farfoogle. like I said, when all else fails, we practice our taunts. Then, when we need them in an emergency elsewhere, our swords are honed. Who wants to fight with a dull blade? (edit) I suspect the real problem is that I can't be banned. There are a number of concepts behind the site, that say I should be banned. Yet I don't get banned. I am unbannable. No one can ban me. So it's a magnet for people to piss on..especially if you're used to fighting gravity which is black and white. it's basically the same as me claiming i can fly without a parachute. Which I can. Which is why I post a lot.

well there you go, then. 10 more pages till page 666!

Petey called himself "Pete". You should be able to find that online. Hey: if you think you can search, can you at least find the name of his book? (You'll find how he refers to himself as "Pete" if you do. That search in itself gives some stuff to muse about. He really really wanted to get it published..it's like he's got something he wants to tell, but it's out of sync with the times...He's all about vietnam atrocities, but that's old news, so no one's interested. But I'm wondering whether it's really another story he wants to tell. If georger didn't think Petey fitted the sketch, why did the FBI take DNA and send an agent? Note I don't think that agent was very good. Other agents Bruce interviewed had stronger backgrounds in investigative work, I think. I don't know her FBI experience. (Fryar) But: she's selling real estate now. Jo has soured me on anyone connected to selling real estate. (edit) If you find the name of this book, then find the poem it comes from (it's relatively well known) ..(edit) I'll make it easy: The book title is in this post I made way back. The search facility here at DZ.com has some problems...if you search for the title you won't find it, (I think when you edit a post the changes don't show up in the search index, unless they rebuild the index) so find the book title, then read this post and look at when I posted it. It's an easter egg! http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3385999;guest=66693531#3385999 (edit) And note I was replying to my nemesis, the evil Dr. Carr..

Orange1 pointed out "Carr said before that, because of time/hassle etc vs priority of case - they only did dna tests in the cooper case if it seemed like a good suspect" It'd be nice to have Bruce confirm the physical description: height/weight/eye color/hair color. I've done the best I could, and think it's a match there, but could be wrong. (edit) we know age is a reasonable match. And I have photos that can be interpreted to be at least as good a sketch match as any other claimed "good match" to date. Secondary confirmation would be nice. Fryar may have seen Petey when he was too old. (edit) I've seen recent photo and he looks different than the earlier photos. Alden would probably be best for confirming '71 physical. (edit) Hey remember how I was wondering whether Ckret's leaving was tied to me passing Petey's name at the time? With all this new info about the FBI, doesn't it seem like it's possible? Aren't people curious how every nutty thing I say has a taste of not being totally crazy? (edit) 377 can confirm the date of the initial name passage was followed by Ckret leaving within weeks. Related? who knows.

Orange1, do you want to speed read a book? You're missing some of the US insight, I think, but your background in literature would help give some interesting feedback about what kind of book we're talking about. I thought the reading was heavy, but it's pdf and you can search for words you like. You can skip around at first, but to get the full sense you have to speed read it. it's about vietnam, which I know you're interested in. Plus you'll understand more about what 377 and I are talking about? I can give you a link to download from. Anyone else, nah. There has as to be a quid pro quo..i.e. Bruce posts something, and I try to give him something more. Your thoughts would be the quid pro quo.

Petey claims he jumped with a bag of flour at some time, probably in the early '60s. (definitely pre '71). If true, most likely it would have been at Issaquah, but unclear....could have been out of US. The implication was some kind of dispersal on the jump or while under canopy...sort of like a current jump with smoke or something, I guess. Before people jumped with smoke, did you ever hear of anyone goofing around and jumping with a bag of flour in the '60s? It's a pretty odd brag. Remember how I said it's hard to imagine things skydivers might tell as stories? If you were lying, why/how would you come up with a claim that you jumped with a bag of flour? Who would think of something weird like that? Or maybe it's a lie: why would you tell that lie then? To attract attention? But Petey did nothing to attract attention. If he did, tell me what? (there's a subtle argument to be made there, but I'll leave it to others) He specified weight too. It was a big bag of flour. (heavier than the 20+lbs of money) (edit) Oh ps, we know Petey had smokejumper training in MT. That's ironclad verified. (edit) Oh yeah, the very existence of Petey proves the lie of the bullshit story that all interesting smokejumpers or ex-smokejumpers were checked out. They weren't, because they couldn't find them! Petey proves that. I suspect they just talked to the guys there about current jumpers and didn't think about all the guys back to the '50s..especially short timers. People never want to think that the short timers could do stuff the experts wouldn't. It messes up the pissing, I mean pecking, order.

Hey, look at the cans on that bimbo!

Sparky. Bandwidth is a measurement used when the stuff is transferred. If you don't read it, there's no bandwidth used, since nothing is transferred. It's your act that's wasting bandwidth, not anyone else's. i.e. once it's posted, it's written on disks, and the only bandwidth used is when the site does backups. Surely you're not worried about wasting space on a disk drive somewhere? Why are you reading this stuff and wasting bandwidth? Explain yourself. What are you, some kind of loser?

The only thing you can guess at: They tested duane's dna over a period of 2 months. basically the end of '06. That's all the info you have. You stretch that into a lie. Simple. What am I misunderstanding?

The main point is you know nothing about FBI dna activity related to Cooper. Why do you think you do? Why do you try to convince others you do? What's the point? You do lie. Your claim to know about FBI dna related to Cooper is a lie. You just can't tell when you lie. See? Of course you don't think you lie, because you ignore people who say you are lying.

Jo reported on behalf of the FBI: "NO DNA was tested until 2007 on any subject" How do you know that Jo? I can't imagine any way you would know. Why do you think you know? (edit) Jo said "the last one 1/08/08" that's odd. That's after Larry Carr started posting to DZ.com (edit) Jo said ". Then the idiots accidentaly left what the agent called an invoice in the box when it was returned to me in 2007. Five yrs later. What was in the invoice they didn't want me to see was the fact that they did NOT run the first tests on the items until 11/07/06 and the last one 1/08/08" How could they return the box in 2007 and have it say 1/08/2008 on something? You are either misremembering or lying. How can you accuse someone else of being wrong, when you're apparently wrong? Can you explain? did you mean 2007? Your claim "With the tests spread out like that - something must have come up in one of the earlier tests." is just dumb when you correct the dates. You have no experience with FBI DNA testing. Why do you think you do?

Bruce reported: "I followed up and asked why he was so distant from his brother, and he immediately launched into long-held feelings, even fears, of his brother: Petey shot Alden in the foot with a 12-gauge shotgun when Alden was a little guy. " When he was young, Petey got sent off to what was reads to me to be like a reform school kind of place. (in practice at least..he did get sent off though and it left bad memories). I wonder if that could have been related to blasting little bro, accidently or not?

I think this could be a verbatim job review, or maybe from memory. This comes at the end of Petey's first time in Vietnam. You can see he wasn't military. Civilian. This wasn't his first job in Vietnam. He went to Vietnam and got a different civilian job. Eventually migrated into the job described here (time period is probably 1968. think he had another job from 68-70 before he left vietnam for 3 years) There are some interesting key sentences, but I'll refrain from highlighting. It's just all curious. VIET-NAM PERFORMANCE EVALUATION REPORT Foreign Service Reserve Officers Department of State Agency for International Development Mr. xxx xxxx is a most highly motivated Refugee Officer, exhibiting the utmost concern for these be leagued people. However, his patience with his counterpart is severely tried by what Mr. xxxx terms his counterpart’s apathy towards his job and thus little rapport exists. However, Mr. xxxx has excellent rapport with the Deputy for Administration in the Province and the Districts where he spent a good deal of his time endeavoring to make these individuals responsive to the needs of the people and displaced persons. Mr. xxxx has worked tirelessly interviewing refugee families in every district and written more reports and maintained better files of his endeavors than any other US staff member. He affiliates himself with the Vietnamese and has a very close camaraderie with some of them. He has studied all refugee guidelines on policy and has distributed simplified versions to each district in an attempt to keep the districts abreast of policy. Mr. xxxx’s extreme sympathy for the refugees and the under privileged people has on occasions caused him to lose perspective and understanding of the job’s objectives. He has wanted to take over his counterpart’s job in order to accomplish what needs to be done. He is unable to anticipate the delays that occur in his program, and as a result, does not start a program soon enough to accomplish his mission on time which in Vietnam is not an uncommon failing. At social functions of mixed races, Mr. xxxx tends to spend the majority of his time with the Vietnamese engaging in parlor sticks that delight his audience, but sometimes alienate his American colleagues and the Province Chief in particular. xxxx, FSR-3 Dep. Province Senior Advisor It's from the fictionalized autobiography. But as I say, the level of detail is weird in areas. I think Petey wanted to write a biography but claim it was something else, but it wasn't..the book doesn't hold together well as a result..too much probably personal detail, that doesn't apply to a story line well...but applies well to a story in Petey's brain. At least that was my reaction as a reader. (edit) oh note that the job description is the same job Petey had. and the story ends with the guy quitting that job and planning on going to nepal area, and ends with a parachute jump. Curious little details on the jump, like not having a weapon, etc. But that's just me probably with too much DBC on the brain. Now, there's always the possibility that it was written to sound DBC-like. But I think Petey really did go to that area, because his two kids were born there. So did he write the book in the '70s? or did he write it after he found out the FBI was interested in him? or what? Or do I have an active imagination, and it's just a bad book? It's all weird. (edit) I went so far as to check out the names of the hospitals that Petey said his kids were born at. He got the spelling of one slightly wrong if I remember right..but the hospitals existed as he described.

Bruce reported "Alden said that his brother is probably a lonely guy looking for attention." How exactly is Petey looking for attention? Is the claim that Petey did something to draw attention to himself? What? What did Petey do? Alden, go visit your brother. You have shit for brains.

they apparently were interested in Petey in 1971 and seven years ago, yet Bruce is the first to talk to the brother? And yet Carr wants to give us shit about how the FBI did a serious investigation of 1000+ suspects? The brother never reported a FBI visit. I would have thought he would have volunteered that to Bruce if it occured. Fuck. It's up to me to go stop the terrorists from taking over planes. The FBI isn't going to be able to do it. Just get me Noelle. I need a partner.

Bruce reported "But Alden confirmed that Petey was in fact a teacher at one point in his life – a grade school in Moses Lake, WA because Alden visited Petey in his classroom. " There's a long history of teaching. started in Montana, then a couple places in WA, then at Clark Air Base like I said where I got the yearbook photo from. There was a second photo in that yearbook also. (edit) Note the yearbook is ironclad. confirms his Clark Air Base presence at the right time, which buttresses the Clark skydiving club jump claim (night jump). I did check the history of that club. Much of the stuff available is post 1970, but I believe the club did exist while Petey was there. (I forget if I got another confirmation on that in their history) Like I say, everything Petey says, appears to be true. I have him listed in another jumper's jump log at Saigon Sport Parachute Club in Vietnam, at the right year. His account of jumping helis there, and how they had to clear the DZ from the enemy before they jumped etc, squares with other accounts. Journalism background like you Bruce. His creative writing background in college came from a guy famous for classic "western" lit. (edit) No one has found any of the other photos? I have an older one where he's balding and wearing a beard, but hair is black. Can't place the age, but its probably 1980's-1990's when compared to the '66 photo and a recent photo. (edit) Oh: I named his height/weight based on info from his book. Bruce: can you confirm eye color/height/weight (in 1971) with his brother. I've not been able to exactly confirm, but I suspect its a good match. If you could ask the brother for the physical description in the '60s (when he visited him at school) that would be good. Good be another green eyed Braden! I have mix of b/w and recent color photo so can't be exactly sure. But the FBI must have thought he matched the physical description too...They took his DNA!

Bruce reported "Prior, Petey had a wife in Bakersfield with whom he raised five kids, three of his and two of hers from a prior relationship. Mark is the oldest of the kids, and Alden thinks he lives somewhere in Washington state, but doesn’t know where." ex-wife: That would be Claire. They married in Montana. Not sure if she moved with Petey to WA in the early 60's. Maybe yes. The breakup may have happened in WA, not in MT. She moved to Bakersfield later. I don't think Petey was part of that. Mark lives in Boise, Idaho as far as I can tell. (at least the report was 6 years ago he did) I gave you the likely phone number based on age. (because of the marriage/divorce time period, was able to guess the age, especially now that you report Mark was the oldest..I think I'm right on the phone number) Did you ask about when Petey worked at the Bubbleator at the Seattle World's Fair? I know I'm crazy but I think that's key.