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Jerry wins the internet today. Tom, ROTFLMFAO Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming... Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Ill never admit to anything... Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

You should know this shit Bagel.... Come on, don't you remember the BS we went through getting the damn radio panel approved on the Stearman... Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

If your door shatters when cold, you either used Plexiglass or another type of cast or extruded acrylic and NOT a poly-carbonate like name brand Lexan. For what it is worth, you CAN use SOME name branded Lexan and Plexiglass products that have the Mil-Spec listed on them. Lexan Blue and Red are two examples, and can be ordered through Lowes, but you will pay a premium. All Plexiglass branded Acrylic is MilSpec, but is very expensive. You generally use Plexiglass for molding windshields and fixed aircraft windows. If you want flexibility in all temperatures you need to use a Poly-Carbonate like Lexan. It has better flexibility and cold weather performance. The downside to the poly-carbonates is a much lower scratch resistance due to it's softer structural make up. The upside is its much better machine-ability and higher tolerance for ham handedness when being worked. Acrylics are optically superior, but require edge polishing via flame or increasingly finer grades of abrasives, are much harder to drill, are much stiffer, harder and can be polished. So yes, it does matter. That is why the last set of jump doors I made were required to have the manufacturer and part number of the poly-carbonate to be spelled out in the 337 by the approving FSDO. What it boils down to is every FSDO is different, and every FSDO inspector is different too. FWIW Milspec Lexan is Part numbers 9604 and F2104 and meets FAR 28.853 A and B. Plexiglass II-UVA and P55 are also Mil Spec as are most of the Acrylite and Polycast stuff. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

You are all saying exactly what I am saying, just in different words. Make sure you are in compliance with your paperwork. I have done a fair few 337's and depending on your FSDO, they *MAY* require more data than you are used to providing, and that *MAY* make your paperwork more restrictive. I wouldn't have said it, if I have not experienced it. Lexan and Plexiglass have VERY different characteristics, and if Plexiglass (Cast cell acrylic) is used in a jump door in leiu of Lexan (poly-carbonate) you will have very different performances of the product. And yes, some FSDO inspectors can be a-holes about it. And some want more detail to the 337 than others. And a "minor deviation" requires a log book entry. IF that change is made without the appropriate log book entry, would you or would you not be in violation? You would be. Just like putting the regular doors back on a twin otter for a ferry flight. A log entry and changes to the W&B is required before flight. As is installing the copilots seat in the Cessna/King Air etc for pilot training.... Nothing can be done without appropriate changes to the paperwork. Too many years seeing jumpers grabbing stuff and moving it around to suit their personal desires... Pilots need to protect themselves from violation, as do the mechanics... Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

There isn't one to my knowledge. He was probably not in compliance, and it was probably not wise to publish pictures of it. If you find out more details, keep us posted. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Again, read the new Advisory Circular for FAR Part 105, AC105-2E. They go into great detail to explain how they recommend all straddle and floor seated occupants in jump aircraft should be restrained. 45 degree angle to double anchor cargo rail attach points to single strap Hooker style skydiver restraints on each side of each occupant. That is TWO (2) single strap seat belts PER OCCUPANT, passed through the hip area of the parachute harness assembly. EACH aircraft, when converted to a jump plane, MUST have those modifications approved by the FAA on a field approval (Form 337) for jumping, and in those modifications, you must show supporting data, from a previously approved 337, or through supporting engineering to back up your modification request. In those 337's you will see the data and drawings for floater bars, door removal, jump door installations, seating surfaces, occupant restraint systems (those will spell out HOW the jumpers are restrained, with what kind of restraint system and what manufacturer of those systems, and any deviation from that is against the 337 and is a violation) instructions for continued airworthiness (inspection criteria and maintenance intervals) and a pilot operating handbook supplement that spells out changes to aircraft redline speeds, stall speeds etc, as well as weight and balance changes, dynamic weight and balance during jump run, and sample loading diagrams. There is WAY more to making a certified aircraft a jump plane then ripping out the interior, slapping some belts on the floor and calling it good. Those belts, and all other modifications once approved are not permitted to be modified, moved, changed or altered in any way without FAA approval. Even something simple as changing from one seat belt style to another requires approval. And if your 337 lists a manufacturer for the seat belts, you are not permitted to change to a different manufacturer. Most 337's list generic parts for those so it is usually not a big deal, but it has the potential to be a problem. Another example is the roll up lexan door. If you used 3/16 inch thick Lexan panels in the original approval, you are not permitted to switch to 1/8 inch or 1/4 inch thick or even to go to Plexiglass being as they possess different weights, strengths, and breaking characteristics. When it comes to the FAA, there is very little room for change unless approved. Even moving the seat belts in the tracks 3 inches either direction from the position spelled out in the approval can trigger a violation. So, make sure your belts are in good condition, tags are legible, and in the proper location and use the damn things. Everybody get their own belts. That is not open for discussion or negotiation. A tandem master wearing a belt and clipping the lateral of the student to himself is not acceptable. And one very large southern DZ apparently has been telling their TI's that this is acceptable. It is NOT. Sharing of seat belts is NOT allowed. As for Cessna saying if the belts are approved to be used attached to the cargo track, they do not have a say in the matter, just as Mr Booth doesn't either. Those products are required to be manufactured to a certain standard with the intent that they will be used to attach seats, and restrain cargo and other types of restraints. Seats clip into the C Track, and belts are attached to the seat, therefore it is implied the tracks can handle the directional loads of the seat belts themselves. As those harnesses are intended to be used for skydiving, and certified for such, they are assumed to be able to handle the loads as it pertains to restraining the jumper to the aircraft, but also spells out that if the harness system is subjected to the stresses of a crash, it will be inspected for damage and future serviceability by a certified rigger. This is an excerpt from FAA AC 105-2E in regards to the harnesses taking seat belt loads. d. Restraint Belts or Tethers. Past experience and testing have shown the validity of attaching a restraint belt(s) or tether(s) to the parachute harness as part of the overall integrated restraint system. However, most manufactuers have not tested their parachute harness configurations to see if they can accept the load vectors that would be experienced during the actual use of this type of restraint configuration. Because of this, any parachute harness that has been subjected to actual use as part of an integrated restraint system must be removed from service and inspected by the manufacturer or a parachute rigger designated by the manufacturer to determine the continued airworthiness of the parachute harness. If the inspection shows that the harness is Airworthy, it may be returned to service. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Hookers belt systems don't have to be STC'ed, they can be installed and field approved on a 337 in the USA. As spelled out in the new AC105-2E, The FAA RECOMMENDS that those seated on straddle benches, or the floor use TWO (2) of those Hooker single strap style skydiver belts attached at a 45 degree angle to the seat track below, one on each side passed through the hip ring area of the skydivers main harness. Also, each occupant MUST wear a seat belt. An instructor wearing a belt and then using the tandem laterals to the student, thus sharing a single belt, is NOT permitted. Seat belts are REQUIRED to be used BEFORE aircraft movement on the ground, and through take off and Landing. This is not open for discussion or interpretation. See AC105-2E http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_105-2E.pdf And FAR 91.107 Wear your seat belts. Simple. Keeps you alive, and the pilot from getting violated by the FAA. Use them properly, use them all the time, and feel damn lucky the pilot doesn't do a flight attendant style seat belt use briefing like he/she is technically required to do before EVERY flight. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Not only against regs here, stupid as hell too. That is how people get dead, like last year here in Florida... 2 hanging on the outside of a Stearman for an airshow demo of all things and one falls the hell off and goes splat in a neighborhood. Stupid skydiver tricks never cease to amaze me sometimes... Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

I gotta call you out a bit on this one. How the hell did you jump an AgCat when it is, #1 a single seat airplane, #2 if it had an intact hopper for spraying, there was no where to put a second seat like Gene Soucy's ShowCat. #3 if all the above it true, then you just admitted to breaking about 2 dozen regulations in the process of your bandit jump... SMH Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

I find it funnier than hell that a bunch of skydivers are debating global warming after jumping out of jet fuel guzzling turbine jump planes all weekend... Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

The FSDO field approval process is in a slow death. As more and more FSDO people retire and become DER's and DAR's, whom you have to pay, often BIG money to certify something, you will find less and less FSDO people willing to sign off any 337. It is about the money. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

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Certified planes do crash. But certified planes have a far lower tendency to randomly shed parts. Of all the experimental aircraft out there, the CompAir is probably a poor choice for skydiving in my opinion. I wouldn't fly one for pleasure let alone for a high airframe stress job like skydiving. And the kits are built 7 miles away from me. I don't like how the structure looks, I don't like how the aircraft is balanced and I don't like how light duty everything is. For the same or less money, go buy a King Air and get an airplane that can handle more jumpers and actually has a stronger structure and more predictable handling qualities. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Run away, far away. Didn't you read about the Finland crash? Stick to CERTIFIED airplanes. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Titusville does go to 15,000 and 18,000 from sea level. I fill the O2 that IS on board the aircraft on an as-needed basis. Usually every 40 loads or so, as I am usually the only user. We have a 3 tank cascade system to charge the on-board factory O2 bottle. I use the O2 on EVERY load as I climb through 8-10k or so. There are 24 oxygen ports in the cabin ceiling on our King Air 200's (2 for crew and 22 for jumpers) and 16 on our Taurus 90's (1 for pilot and 15 for jumpers). (The Taurus 90 is the only modified King Air 90 that is legal to use ALL 750 available horsepower) Our jumpers and customers are asked if they would like to be provided with oxygen for the 3 minutes or so they will be above 15k, and 99.99% turn down the offer. Our King Air's climb to 15k in about 7 minutes and 18k in about 9 or so. Our time above the 15k level is very short. The oxygen is there if anyone wants it. You are welcome to come to Titusville, we usually open at 10am, and we only do tandems, so call ahead, and if there is space on the load we will accommodate you as best we can. Keep in mind we have a 125 jump minimum to jump here. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Y'all need to relax a bit. I understand the "Science" about lead poisoning. I also understand that in 1970 on Earth Day, the enviro wackos claimed that by the year 2000 the planet would be 11 degrees cooler, over twice what was needed to plunge the earth into another ice age. Now, for the facts. I have been a welder, heavy equipment operator, and now professional pilot for 25 years. I was also a firefighter. I was a volunteer in upstate NY. After 9/11 I went and worked the Trade Center site. As a result, I had my blood tested for heavy metal toxicity every year for 10 years. I have been around 100LL, use it to wash parts, and have exposed myself to levels far beyond what the average pilot or jumper is exposed to. My lead/mercury/chromium/TEL levels in my blood have been, and continue to be no more or less than anyone else. I am right at the bottom of the commonly accepted range. I spray paint with no respirator, I wash parts with my bare hands in 100LL and Jet A1, and yet, my blood is still clean, and my brain still functioning at normal levels. I think. All this having been said. Relax. My dad used to mix Arsenic of lead and lime with his bare hands when he was 7 years old to shake onto the potatoes as a pesticide. He is just fine at 73 years old. Stop believing the hype. You probably are doing FAR more damage to your body smoking dope and drinking beer than you are sucking some 100LL exhaust. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

20 years flying jumpers, never used an autopilot. Never would. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Can't debate with sound reason, so resorts to name calling. I wouldn't expect anything less. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Not only do I approve, I am in the same situation. I married a woman 12 years older than myself. By choice. She already had her kids, and I never wanted any. By choice. And, again, you misunderstand. I never disapproved of anyone getting married. I was trying to make a point way back, a lot of postings ago, that it never should have been an issue. People in society should never have denied the rights in the first place. Prop 8 never should have been put forth, I supported the lower courts decision to overturn it, but I can also respect that voters took what they perceived to be a social issue and made an effort to legislate it. The whole thing was a ton of bullshit, it never should have been an issue to begin with. However, both sides should have come together and come to a solution, not tied up millions in taxpayers dollars in endless litigation. The only people who won in this were the lawyers. And you need to stop taking everything so damn personal. It is a public debate. Nothing more. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

I am REALLY confused on this whole you being attacked and persecuted thing. Can you provide me a few examples of why you feel so? When I hear persecution, I think of the Jews and stuff. You can't tell me things are that bad for you and the white man! Last I heard white men weren't being offed, or burned at stakes, or chained and drug behind trucks, etc, etc. Did I miss something or maybe I just need another cup of coffee this morn? You missed something. I was just being argumentative. Stop reading so far into it. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Me too! Really? I feel lucky as shit. I was also born in America to parents who loved me. I ain't got no complaints. If you think we are the most persecuted group on the planet, you need to get out more. I don't feel lucky. I earned everything I have. And I was actually trying to prove a point. Not actually spell out a particular issue. Think about it though. Can you go walk into Walmart and call a black guy the N word and get away with it? Nope. Can you tell a black guy to their face or on the internet that they deserve to die because they are black? Nope. But, if you are black you can walk around walmart and call me a "crazy ass cracka" you can tell me "your gonna die cracka" etc etc etc. Or you can go on twitter and threaten Zimmermans life, and the life of white people and never get a single visit from the authorities. You as a white man cannot go on the internet and say anything derogatory, lest you get locked up. Hell a kid in WV wears an NRA t shirt and they lock him up. It's bullshit and you know it. And apparently, you cannot offer an opposing viewpoint of homosexuals when you are heterosexual without getting everyone's panties all up in a twist either. The problem isn't that you're voicing your opinion. The problem is that you're wrong. Being gay is not a choice. Who the hell are you to say my opinion is wrong? The point I am trying to make is perhaps my opinion is wrong, but perhaps it is right, and yours is wrong. We don't know for certain about any of it. I personally think that it is a choice. I am entitled to that opinion, and if you don't like that opinion, well that is your choice. But you don't have the right to spout off and arbitrarily say that my opinion is wrong... "just cause" That is demonstrating the typical knee jerk reactionary comment from a close minded person. Stomping the feet, nose in the air, arms crossed, looking away, "YOU ARE WRONG, YOU ARE WRONG" Waa waa waaaaaaaaaa. Did you for at least 1 second think, "hey he might have a point?" If you didn't, then you are close minded. You are unwilling to hear another person out, and give any credibility to an opposing argument. It has nothing to do with opinion. You're wrong. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519#.UdO1Sr4o7IU Proving my point, thank you. "Italian geneticists may have explained how genes apparently linked to male homosexuality survive, despite gay men seldom having children. Their findings also undermine the theory of a single "gay gene"." "This is a novel finding," says Simon LeVay, a neuroscientist and commentator on sexuality at Stanford University in California. "We think of it as genes for male homosexuality', but it might really be genes for sexual attraction to men. These could predispose men towards homosexuality and women towards & hyper-heterosexuality', causing women to have more sex with men and thus have more offspring." Very interesting. What about lesbians then? Their findings also support earlier findings that when mothers have several sons, the younger ones are progressively more likely to be gay. This might be due to effects changes to the mother's immune system with each son they carry. But Camperio-Ciani calculates the contribution of this effect to male homosexuality at 7% at most. So together, he says, the "maternal" and "immune" effects only account for 21% of male homosexuality, leaving 79% of the causation still a mystery. This leaves a major role for environmental factors, or perhaps more genetic factors. "Genes must develop in an environment, so if the environment changes, genes go in a new direction," he says. "Our findings are only one piece in a much larger puzzle on the nature of human sexuality." Again, proving my point. My argument that choice is somehow is involved has just been proven. Environmental factors are choice. You can chose to change your environment. The study you posted trying to prove me wrong has proven my theory. I will concede that it might not be an individuals choice, but that of the parents or others choices. Thus removing the choice from the individual and it then being outside influence that determined that individuals sexual orientation. http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene Again, proving my point. "Since sexual orientation is such a complex trait, we're never going to find any one gene that determines whether someone is gay or not," says Mustanski. "It's going to be a combination of various genes acting together as well as possibly interacting with environmental influences." Previous studies in male twins have suggested that between 40%-60% of the variability in sexual orientation is due to genes. The rest is thought to be due to environment and possibly other biologic but nongenetic causes. http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html And again, The question of whether homosexuality is genetically inherited has been perplexing scientists for years. While many researchers now agree homosexuality is probably caused by a mixture of nature and nurture, they are still hard pressed to explain the particulars. Even if this sexually antagonistic genetic system is at work, it can only account for a portion of the overall causes of homosexuality in men, Camperio-Ciani said. Other factors, both genetic and social, likely also play a part. "I think it's almost beyond a doubt that genes have some influence," said Ray Blanchard, a researcher at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, who studies the effect of birth order in predicting whether a male will be born homosexual. "My personal view is that there is probably more than one biological mechanism contributing toward homosexuality. I think it's also safe to say that there is at least one non-genetic influence." http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/3641 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904267%2C16143171%2C12836730%2C10763427%2C9549243?dopt=DocSum I stand by my view that it cannot be proven that homosexuality is predetermined solely by an individuals genetic makeup. Even the research you posted agrees with me. I am open to the fact that genetics may play a part in someones sexual orientation, however, I still believe that choices are made towards one orientation or another. While I am open to the fact that genetics MIGHT play a small role in orientation, are you open to the fact that choice and environment play a part as well? All this research does not take lesbians into account? Why? Because the science only focuses on the males. They can only identify a genetic predisposition to male attraction, not female attraction. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Your debate tactics seem to backfire on you more often than they advance your argument. Nope, didn't backfire on me in my eyes. It seems to me that my view, while open to different possibilities and theories is under attack while those that are unwilling to open their mind to those alternative views are on the defense. It proves my point that those that are unwilling to at least entertain an alternative hypothesis are the hypocrites, not me. Case in point. You asked how homosexuality could be genetic without offspring, and here we're talking about Down's. How many such children are reproducing? And yet it continues. Again, you made my point for me. If it were 100% genetically inherited, and the people who produced affected offspring stopped reproducing, the condition would disappear right? But it is not. Down's is a genetic mutation that occurs somewhat randomly. Perhaps homosexuality is the same? Interesting possibility. And from some of the studies listed in the next post, it seems this might explain some of this too. Do I need to explain more biology to you? Surely you've heard that babies can be made without sexual intercourse. Again, without bringing modern science into it. Remember, all this is strictly for the purposes of debate. In other words, you're saying you *might* be full of shit, but will stick to your unfounded beliefs all the same because there's a statistical probability (0.01) that you might be right. Yup, I might be completely full of shit. Isn't that the point of a debate? Isn't it harder to debate a point one might not agree with versus one a person might be passionate about?This is the whole point of the exercise. I think you are catching on. My beliefs are not unfounded, they are just that, my beliefs. If I want to believe that my airplane flies because of PFM (pure fucking magic) and not physics, that is my prerogative no? I am wondering when y'all will figure out that I am not the enemy? Just someone proposing an alternative view to a topic. Again, reiterating my point, perhaps those of you that think someone is born gay is the only possible explanation or reason are the ones who have the unfounded belief? Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Me too! Really? I feel lucky as shit. I was also born in America to parents who loved me. I ain't got no complaints. If you think we are the most persecuted group on the planet, you need to get out more. I don't feel lucky. I earned everything I have. And I was actually trying to prove a point. Not actually spell out a particular issue. Think about it though. Can you go walk into Walmart and call a black guy the N word and get away with it? Nope. Can you tell a black guy to their face or on the internet that they deserve to die because they are black? Nope. But, if you are black you can walk around walmart and call me a "crazy ass cracka" you can tell me "your gonna die cracka" etc etc etc. Or you can go on twitter and threaten Zimmermans life, and the life of white people and never get a single visit from the authorities. You as a white man cannot go on the internet and say anything derogatory, lest you get locked up. Hell a kid in WV wears an NRA t shirt and they lock him up. It's bullshit and you know it. And apparently, you cannot offer an opposing viewpoint of homosexuals when you are heterosexual without getting everyone's panties all up in a twist either. The problem isn't that you're voicing your opinion. The problem is that you're wrong. Being gay is not a choice. Who the hell are you to say my opinion is wrong? The point I am trying to make is perhaps my opinion is wrong, but perhaps it is right, and yours is wrong. We don't know for certain about any of it. I personally think that it is a choice. I am entitled to that opinion, and if you don't like that opinion, well that is your choice. But you don't have the right to spout off and arbitrarily say that my opinion is wrong... "just cause" That is demonstrating the typical knee jerk reactionary comment from a close minded person. Stomping the feet, nose in the air, arms crossed, looking away, "YOU ARE WRONG, YOU ARE WRONG" Waa waa waaaaaaaaaa. Did you for at least 1 second think, "hey he might have a point?" If you didn't, then you are close minded. You are unwilling to hear another person out, and give any credibility to an opposing argument. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Again, you are missing the point of the conversation. The point I am trying to make is that persecution goes both ways. Some experience it with outright actions, others experience it from ideals, beliefs and stereotypes. Just like you are attacking me for having a ever so slightly different view from yours, that is a form of persecution. I view it no differently than a black man would for being jacked up by the cops for wandering around a rich neighborhood. You jacked me up for having a different opinion from you. I offered up a different paradigm and was immediately told I was wrong and stupid. How is that any different? And honestly, when was the last time a black man simply went for a walk and got killed for it? Really? I am not oppressed. I feel we are judged to a different standard. I will repeat, why is it okay for a black person to publicly threaten a white person, or wear a trevon shirt at the BET awards, and nothing gets said or done, yet if a white person publicly threatens a black person or wore a Zimmerman shirt, that person would be crucified in the court of public opinion. It is a double standard. One that should not exist. One that is disguised as political correctness. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider