coreyangel

Thank you very much! This is exactly what I was looking for! Blue skies my friend Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

Actually, static line would be fine since static line is still a way to train sport jumpers. It is understood that equipment and military tactics are definitely something not associated with sport jumping (I am also a retired Marine) i just need to contrast the two and I only need to be able to write 4 to 8 pages since this comparison is only a small part of my whole project. My degree specializes in human factors and education. I am writing a lot on skydiving education and the section I am putting this comparison under is justifying why sport skydiving needs to go through a instructional design process and not just take a few pages out of the already established military syllabus. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

I hope there is someone out there who can help me out. I am a skydiver and I held instructor ratings so I have an understanding of the First Jump Course, but I'm looking for for information on the military jump school. I am doing my capstone project for Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and part of it is comparing sport jump training with military jump training. My "Holy Grail" would be to get a copy of the military's first jump course syllabus. Any help would be appreciated. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

With a two-out malfunction, I'm sure he understood that your emergency took priority over his quick landing. That is a good point, John. We akways talk about the mistakes we've made and how other's have almost killed us with their stupidity, but we also need to be on the watch out for others in distress. Sometimes awhat appears to be a safety violation could actually be another jumper making an emergency landing. Would anyone like to comment on this? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

Thanks for sharing Billy.

That remark was meant in jest. I should have put some sort of icon next to it. Apologies.

Wrong ... the jumper wasn't doing anything but succumbing to pressure from people behind yelling go and just left the aircraft too soon. coreyangel, that's a good question but in this case a rating made no difference. This is a dropzone I jump at only a few times a year. Our first conversation was right then after we landed. He landed behind the beer line and was approached about it by one of the locals. I walked up and he was clearly sheepish. The local asked if anything was wrong and I said not at all and asked if I could take over from here. Our very first conversation was as good as could be hoped for. He'd been doing a bunch of solos with out a lot of guidance. Later after jumping he handed me a beer and introduced himself formally. Hope that helps Hookitt, this string has shown something that I think happens more often than we as a community will admit. When something goes wrong, I feel that more often than not, people will jump to a conclusion and assume it is a fact. As we see can see in the above chain of events, someone made an error. If we would have tried to address the situation as someone using the 45 degree rule, we never would have taught this young skydiver a thing and this could have repeated itself. Would anyone like to comment on this? What do you you all think? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

May I ask, how do we know he was using the 45 degree rule? Did we ask? Maybe he counted fast or not long enough. You mentioned that you have had some heated discussions on this topic, would you care to share one? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

You said that you were grounded and there was no discussion. May I ask, did they try to teach you what went wrong or did you have to figure that part out for yourself? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

Thanks Jakee, I appreciate your input. I understand that accidents will happen and some are unavoidable, but when he broke his femur, was this one of those one time errors in judgement, or could this have been prevented? If you think it could have been prevented, what do you think should have been done? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

FIFY. Do you have anything you would like to share with the group? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

Jumper sniveled past the front of my canopy ... and I do mean RIGHT in front of my canopy no more than 12 feet away. I introduced myself, "Hi, I'm Tim. Nice colorful parachute you have there. Soooooo, how many seconds separation did you give?" and then asked, what type of flying, etc.... After the conversation, the jumper understood exit separation (no matter how much the tandem masters in the back are yelling go), freeflying and directional control as a newbie skydiver. The best plus was the jumper understood that someone doesn't have to be a dick and yell at someone for making their first big mistake of their career that ended without consequence. It scared them enough as it was. I simply got a good very close up shot of a human falling past in terror. Later, I was given a beer for the education and for not yelling. It was also for not punching. The guy was certain I was walking over to kick his ass. I think you made a very good point about "not being a dick" I personally think our message is better received when we correct, not criticize. If you don't mind my asking, were you a rated instructor at the time and if so, do you think the other skydiver took you more seriously because you were? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

Of course there are. But such things are better handled one-on-one in my experience. That has been my experience too. I also believe that the person you are dealing with should be a factor. A friend who made a mistake vs. someone new who is just learning. The new guy might actually need instruction vice just a reminder. You said that it prevented it from happening again for a few weeks. Do you think anything should have been done different? Why or why not? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

From what i've heard from other people, that happens a lot. Let me ask you, was just pointing it out and telling Orla about it enough to prevent this from happening again? There are people that would say that Orla should have been grounded for a day. What do you think? Do you think that just telling the person what they did wrong is enough? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

Dude, it's your paper. I think you might need a slightly more focused line of questioning than every aspect of any form of safety violation and/or incident... I'm just collecting data at this point Jakee Please tell me about a particular safety violation you saw and how it was handled. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

What are some of the most common safety violations you've see? How were they handled? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

Good point. I would actually like to discuss both. A lot of safety violations (not every one) result in incidents and can even lead to tragic accidents. let's discuss every aspect. Do you have any ideas you would like to bring to the table? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

I am gathering information for a paper I'm writing. The subject is what should be done after a skydiving incident is observed? I am asking people to give me not only ideas of what they think should happen, but also things they have witnessed (both good and bad). Please feel free to discuss openly on this thread the only rules are: 1) Please do not attack anyone. let's have a free and open discussion even if we don't agree with someone. 2) Please, no finger pointing at someone. When I write my paper I will not use names or quote anyone directly. If you want to PM me directly, feel free to. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

This guy is e-mailing me right now about my camera helmet. I've told him that I need his address so I can quote him shipping. He keeps coming back wanting my full name, home address and phone number. I have a feeling this guy is fishing for bank info. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

Please let me know how it works out. Blue Skies. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

I am wanting to start flying with a still camera and have been offered a good deal on a Nikon D40. Obviously since I am just starting out I want to keep my cost down but I also need something functionable. Has anyone used this model before? In looking for a bite switch all I see referenced are for cannon cameras, but I would think that the plug in any DSLR camera would be an industry standard. Can anyone give me some input on this subject? Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

Ok, I came into this discussion late and I must admit, I haven't read all the replies. I just want to say a couple of things> 1. Good topic. I understand you were just trying to start an open discussion. 2. I am one of those "old guys" also. I too jump a Triathalon 190. Even with good landings I do a PLF. Sounds weird, I know, but I had an ankle rebuilt while I was in the Marine Corps and I have protected it so much and for so long, I just do a PLF to protect it. As for me, I'm glad they taught me a proper PLF. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

[replyI don't care if you have 100 jumps or you have 1 million jumps. Even a good student should be able to spot what is safe and not safe right off the bat.. I can't agree with you more. I stopped jumping at Pegasus after about 13 jumps and never looked back. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

OK, an environmental impact studi? Are you serious? That has got to be the dumbest thing I heard. Think about it... 1) People who get legal consealed carry permits do so for protection. 2) No one refers to the findings of an enviornmental impact study when deciding weather or not to use deadly force. It just doesn't make sence. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672

You are going to have a blast. I was there about three weeks ago. The plane is fast, price is low and the people there are friendly. I would go back again in a hart beat. Learn from others' mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all yourself. POPS 10672