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Got grounded for it in 81/82. Hello Jonny Goss!

How fast is Tandem Terminal? I chased one with no drogue back in the beginning of Tandems and even in a no lift dive they were pulling away from me. So how fast were they actually going.

I take your point. Same old same old still allowing people to kill themselves.

14 Months Jim. The death rate seems to have dropped but, like you, I haven't been checking the stats. I feel refreshed with my break so flame away.

So, how many have died since I was last here?

Died 35 years ago today after a main reserve entanglement at Taonui near Fielding New Zealand.

http://www.skysurfer.com.au/forums/topic/11269-incident-at-nspc/ https://www.facebook.com/linda.lau.14?sk=photos#!/damien.theakstone

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4344801;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread And this may be interesting as well! https://www.facebook.com/groups/sofpidarf/

Easy answer.....people who make them! So, please someone correct if I am wrong.We have tiny little LETHAL main canopies that are prone to malfunction. We have tiny little container systems to fit these tiny little main canopies. We have HIGHLY LOADED RESERVE CANOPIES because that is all that will fit into these tiny little container systems. These HIGHLY LOADED RESERVE CANOPIES will kill you if you are unconscious or not on top of your game. On top of that we have low drag reserve pilot chutes so that you can swoop your tiny little reserve canopy. It's a RESERVE CANOPY. It is only there to save YOUR LIFE. Does anyone else not see the dichotomy in this scenario?

As I said when I discovered that highly loaded reserves were being used, who thought that LOW DRAG RESERVE PILOT CHUTES were a good idea? Fcuk, you guys are dying for fashion! It's the skydiving version of ANOREXIA but quicker FFS

Unfortunately the point is being made...but he's not the one doing it. The point is being made on the Dropzone

So what is your point? How many more people have to die under a perfectly good canopy for you to realise that you have a problem. Or is it that you think these deaths are merely collateral damage and, as such, are acceptable so you can enjoy your swooping? No death whilst skydiving is acceptable. They may be unavoidable but they are, by no means, acceptable!

No I don't! You in the northern hemisphere are just getting into summer, the prime dying season. 14 people died in 2011 from high performance canopy landings or collisions. You guys look like doubling that this year. Is that something to be proud of?

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4334840;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4334008;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

So...sorry - Australia is little diffentent than South Africa. Was it this one? "Bush Pilots Airlines was sponsoring a record attempt during the opening ceremonies of Cairns airport, Australia. The jumpers set a new world record, a 21-plane, in March. Jumper number 22 was also in but not for long enough. In total, there were 25 jumpers in the air." - 1984 And earlier in same year, jumpers make some big way plane formations, like 15- and 17-way. This was built in Rutherford NSW (about 3,000 miles south of Cairns) It was the unofficial Australian record for a while so that would make it late 83. Actually, looking at the website in this thread it would have been an unofficial WORLD RECORD

Definitely in Australia as I was on it. I'll have to find my logbooks for the date but it was mid eighties at the latest.

We built an 18 plane over Rutherford Airport (NSW Australia) in 83 or 84. It was a zoo load with mixed canopies from a DC3

http://www.theage.com.au/...-20120616-20gmk.html http://www.skysurfer.com.au/forums/topic/11256-any-info-on-skdiver-hurt-at-torradin-sat-16th-june/

My first HP Canopy

So Bill, where do we go now? Common sense doesn't work (Highly loaded reserves anyone?) Training doesn't work Not enough trainers and not mandated (I'm talking about across all DZ's and not the people like you Bill that are doing their best) Internal regulation doesn't work as there seems to be no will to implement it. So, as I said, where do we go now?

Can we stop the squabbling and, at least have a discussion about what jinlee has said. It seems to make more sense than almost anything else said about HP Canopies on the multiple threads on this subject (And yes I include myself in that)

God Jinlee, that was well said

So if there weren't any small reserves, nobody would wamt a smaller one? Nobody would be asking the manufacturers to make one a size (or two) smaller? Very light/small people would be stuck under reserves loaded well below 1:1? There are times and places that smaller reserves are appropriate. An honest question. When would a smaller reserve appropriate? And when would a larger reserve be inappropriate?

When you start stepping up to the plate and stop killing yourselves. Or is that too much to ask. Your attitude is probably what is killing so many of you