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I never argued the death penalty was vengeful. I am not sure those who favor it support it out of vengence. I did say (imo) life in prison seems like the harsher sentence to serve; would that not make life in prison more "vengeful" if vegenence was my goal/argument (it is not)? Or you could say people here (including women) seem to manage OK with it. Not sure what speculating to what extent people manage OK has to do with it. My point for-not-being-fully-against-it (and thus conflicted) was that death is final. Only in that finality can there absolutely be the removal of that threat to society. Again--while I am pretty sure I myself do not see a need for such finality in our justice system--I am not sure it is my place to argue to take that finality away from the majority if the majority is in favor of it. Now, if I were convinced the death penalty were inhumane or whatever I may feel differently. I am not convinced on this instance alone that it is inhumane. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

I see the front-end determination process and the back-end death penalty as separate issues in the overall system. There must be something funny in my wine for me to attempt a billvon-esque analogy, but here goes...(and because I just had a delicious spinach, strawberry and candied walnut salad, you will please forgive the subject of the analogy) Imagine a factory-farmed head of lettuce from farm to plate. The farmer produces many good heads of lettuce, but misses a bad patch one day which also alludes the attention of the inspectors. These bad heads of lettuce end up being consumed by innocent lettuce eaters and many die of food-borne illness. Americans decide they still want lettuce. Do we say no to the majority and abolish lettuce from our groceries, or do we work at the front-end where the problem started and try to prevent bad patches from getting through? Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

Why I remain undecided/conflicted w/rt/ the death penalty: Last time I reviewed the numbers, life in prison was still cheaper than the death penalty. I like saving money. Life in prison seems like the harsher sentence to serve. Inmates attempt suicide to avoid it. I.e. Prison is hard. Death is easy. On the other hand, if one were brutally held captive, tortured, raped or any number of things I cannot imagine and miraculously escaped and survived, arguably it may be more difficult to cope and move on as long as the perp were still alive. As long as the perp is alive (even in a maximum security prison), there is some level of fear one day said perp will come to "finish the job", escape, be released, etc. Death is final. Thus, moving on is easier. In the latter scenario--while I myself am not certain if I would support the death penalty (it would be an extremely hard decision for me either way)--I am not sure I would want to take that relief away from other victims of serious crimes. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

And even when it is reported and the victim sits through hours of examination and evidence collection, the rape kit is more likely to sit on a storage shelf than actually be used to catch and convict the perp. I appreciate your words throughout the thread , Jeanne, as well as Bill's. On one hand, how can one expect another to change their ways if they are never afforded an opportunity to act any differently? On the other hand, taboos in society can be as good for it as they can be detrimental (depending on the taboo). W/r/t violent crimes, I believe they are good. Thus, affording convicted felons of any serious crime certain opportunities accepts them in to society and perpetuates the cycle of crime. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

Unless they were future humans traveling back in time to pick up some DNA or a cronut. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

Yup... what was so hard about that.... and I dont really agree with the one I missed... Was it the Puritan question? I took this a few months ago on a rainy day as it passed along the emails of one particular circle I keep. I missed one; it was the Puritan question. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

Bill_has_been a bit more emotionally-responsive lately, but given the recent posts/ers I can sympathize with any likely frustration. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

+1 I like all the mods--a lot--and I fall toward the right of the middle (registered Independent, considered Libertarian). I admit, Tom is my favorite. But, quade has decent taste in film and billvon annoys me only a little bit, sometimes. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

Fresh is widely considered to be--but not technically--the follow-up film to Food, Inc. If Food Inc. gave us the "what is wrong" with our mass-food-production system, Fresh is expected to answer the "what now?" question Food, Inc. left many viewers. I am looking forward to seeing it.

You know, now that I think about it--per my earlier post--I want to say neither of the latter two ever tried "cold turkey". They tried everything else, though, that is for sure. One of the latter has the means to pay for a trip to the moon and have virgin astronauts hand-pour moon water down her throat if it would help her quit, and still nothing has worked for her. I am confident, however, she has not tried--you know--actually just quitting cold turkey. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

While I have never smoked, the only thing that I have seen work (permanently) for the friends and family I love is "cold turkey". Everyone is different, but in my circle of friends/family I knew five smokers. Three quit cold turkey (30 years, 10 years, and Three years sober) and two have tried everything else (even hypnosis) and eventually return to smoking regularly. Both of the latter have been trying on and off for 20 years. One can see why I support the cold turkey method--it seems to be the most-supported method for all other addictions. I do not know of any other addiction that offers so many--seemingly ineffecient--methods for cessation other than smoking. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

Congratulations, Peter!

Happy birthday, beautiful lady!

Never a good idea. Seriously. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

At UF, it might be attributed to the awesome test banks Greek members have access to. Andrea, I was not into it for similar reasons as you stated, but a lot of my friends were and I did attend a lot of Greek functions and even dated the president of a fraternity. It was my position, as a non-Greek I could still receive all the benefits/pros of the Greek life without having to subject myself to the cons. Anyone can volunteer; one does not need a badge of letters on their shirt to do so. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

The Date and Time? I don't give those up often. I, too, know who I am talking to on dropzone.com, and on occasion adjust my offerings accordingly. I might tell Peter, though. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

Oh, that was Nunyadamn. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

Normally, I am a vault with personal information and pay no attention to others' business, much less share my own. In this difficult scenario, however, I am reminded of one of my favorite aphorisms: "With knowledge comes responsibility." When it comes to an incurable disease, me thinks it is responsible to protect someone from contracting it if you can. Good luck! Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

I don't know which is sadder: Shah's trolling, or Turtle's opportunistic attempt to use it to suck up to the babes, PS: Hand over the Man Card. His attempt was futile.

Yea, baby! I took this photo of my own hand while I was responding to you yesterday. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

Seems the appropriate thread to post this Kostner cleanup: Cameron/Kostner Oil Spill Help. More on Kostners' Machine. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

You have the longest fingernails I have ever seen on a man. Clean though. But, perhaps when you trimmed the middle finger, you could have gone all the way and done the rest? Just a thought. Cool Poken.

This conversation bores me, and you killed my thread. So, thanks for that, Banana. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

You can't win, if you don't know how to play. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

While I tend to agree, that is not an acceptable answer for this game. Thanks for playin'. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.