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I bet you mean the HARNESS SIZING. Container - holds canopies Harness - is waht you put on. Container is attached to it. if you can, hang the container off something and while you are wearing it. This way you will have a better idea of what you will be dealing with under canopy.

DEJA VU : http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2997846

Well.. if you don't respond to your PMs, it's hard to tell you "I HAVE ONE"

yes, there's a great self-financing option : BUY A 2nd HAND RIG WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD SELL IT WHEN YOU ARE DONE the delta (if any) is your rental fee

the most recent time flying with my rig carryon - when they asked what's there - parachute. They called the supervisor. I showed him my rigging ticket, the Cypres card. He really only cared about the ticket, I think the FAA logo worked well for him - used the sniffer, and wished me luck.

oh my god !!! This has NOT A FUCKING THING to do with skydiving gear. People who got scammed "buying" ads from this site had just as much chance getting scammed buying from craigslist, eBay, etc. IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO FUCKED UP, NOT THE SITE.

Wow-the price really has gone up. I bought my cypress 1 about 4 years ago brand new from para gear for $850. are you sure it was a brand new Cypres1 manufactured within a few months of your purchase date ? Cypres2 replaced Cypres1s May 2003 as far as I know....

do you realize that you just insulted people with 30x more jumps and thus ALOT more experience with and around skydiving ? Perhaps you should realize that they simply HAVE to know better ??? cool it a bit, and think about how a adults are considered adults because they can make decisions for themselves. Otherwise your beloved courts would rule them incompetent and appoint a guardian.

Funny how you put "buyer beware", thats a law term, btw, so it turns out is in your world already. What I'm doing is putting reasons why it would be a better idea to add some big disclaimers in there. and some big warnings, Its called being proactive. or giving a shit about other people apart from myself. regardless of your actions or reactions to what i have said, i've still got your back in those skys, i'll still look out for others, and i'll continue to give a damm But i would not trust you on here for anything, your attitude to be frank is shit. dude, chill. and yet again, the law term is "Caveat emptor" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor which applies to BUYERS AND SELLER. NOT to the intermediateary who is not making any money on the transaction

Once again diablo you have shown your Ineptitude for even the simpleist of reading tasks, start at the start, read through, THEN make a comment, if you can't be bothered to read a thread, to see why me and the NZ guy are pissed then your wasting valuable skydiving time writing on here. With regards to the negligence and a law suit Phelps vs london bourogh of hillingdon is how case law would be looked at In law, in order to establish negligence, three conditions must be met: 1.The person who is being held responsible for the negligence must owe the victim a "duty of care". In this case providing a service where gear sales takes place, and knowing fraud takes place. they owe a duty however slight it may be to ensure that transactions taking place are both legal and do not enfringe on a persons human rights. etc etc 2.That duty of care must have been breached. Not providing measures to stop fraudsters targeting the classifieds. and a fraud taking place. (that'll be the breach) 3.As a result of that breach, the victim has suffered identifiable loss. Them getting ripped off for lets say $1300 (I would identify that as a loss) The wonderful world of law, PLEASE BE AWARE I'M NOT TAKING ANYONE TO COURT. I'm just showing how things could go pareshaped very quickly for the owners of dropzone. I only studied for 7 years so i could be wrong. but a good lawyer could at least make a case, which would be heard. And we're only angry cause its such a simple request to shore up the classifieds and make it easy to see that frauds are taking place. And again someones wrote well thats your own fault... once again nice comment WELL DONE, Another person who i would not ask for a flight line check. His chest strap was undone, He should have known better, correct!! . but somone looking out for me would have meant i would not have died. An extreme Analogy, but one all the same. Bud, this website does NOT have presence in the UK, thus i doubt it's bound by British case law. And yes, the US law is based on UK common law... from the 1600s !!!! I don't remember the US case law dealing with online, but lets see if a lawyer type can recall any that charges an at-will site operator with failure to perform their duty. Could be a moot point since Sangiro is based in the SA, and the website servers are US or Canada based...

you are kind of right. But let's not forget about the click-through agreement that you agree to when you sign up as a dz.com member http://www.dropzone.com/about/TermsofUse.shtml Of course I am NOT an attorney, but those things are VERY enforceable. To sum up my feelings to this thread : Yes, it is VERY unfortunate that some of our brothers and sisters fall victims to thieving assholes. But I think we do enough to try to beat some common sense into the society as a hole about "a deal that's too good to be true - it's just that" and various other things that in my mind even a fifth grader should figure out. Let's not treat EVERYTHING like they are an idiot. Perhaps having a mandatory scroll through KEYPOINT summary when one enters the classified section for the first time would be appropriate. Also, recently eBay started appending ALL their messages that it forwards to you from other members with the FRAUD disclaimer - perhaps dz.com emails should get a simialr footer - I know that would be a very easy matter of changing a template . In fact, the current footer reads : If you suspect this is a scam: 1) Visit the Security Forum to see if it has already been reported: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?forum=44 2) If not, forward the entire email to [email protected] If we can figure out how to sum up our warning in 2-3 simple BOLDFACED sentences and get Sangire to agree with us and append it to every email - that would probably be a much better solution than most of us bitching and whining in this forum. Overall, I think this is a very good thread. BSBD

Here's my rehash of your suggestions, I think we need to be willing to give leaway to sellers, as some may want to have more privacy than others. I choose to have part of my profile unfilled- yet I will answer any questions privatly, as well as I provide a phone number with all my listings and ENCOURAGE people to call. When posting gear, the following MUST be entered 1.Local DZ, name and telephone number this should NOT be mandatory for public viewing - should be willing to provide in private 2. Serial numbers container / main / reserve / add many people nowdays are NOT shoing that publically so the scammers dont get a hold of valid data. 3. Colour of main / reserve / container YES, that would be agood think to SHOW A PICTURE OF, but should not be required, as some people dont haev digital cameras, others are just not too good with computers 4.Date of manafacture / of course 5.Last repack date / repacked by whom should not be required as some people may be reluctant to disclose in public, but should be able to provide in private 6.Marks / damage/ missing items (Free bag Pilot chute) Thats just common sense :) 7. Parachute assotiation number (bpa / uspa / etc) same issue as above - should not be forced to display publically - private conversation shoudl be good. I would add PHONE NUMBER - should be HIGHLY suggested

Your attitude is arrogant and disrespectful to anyone who has ever been scammed. You also called OP an idiot which is a PA in my book. People like you shift the blame from criminals to victims and by doing so you are basically part of the problem. * "Excuse me officer, *sob*, I just got raped by a trucker" - "Ok ma'am. Just three questions before we can help you: Was he drunk?" * "I guess he had some beers with me." - " Did you get in his truck?" * "Yes...yes I did." - "Ok ma'am. Did you get in his truck wearing those clothes?" * "Yes but I don't see..." - "LMFAO you dumb ****. Sorry but we have no sympathy for you as this is an idiotfree zone." (I'm not comparing rape to scamming and I do NOT feel the same way as the cop. Just making a point about blaming the victim. If any man or woman reading this was sexually assaulted, I apologize if you feel I'm mocking your pain. I AM NOT.) You just made a very hypocritical comparison. any female who gets into a vehicle with an unknown drunk male is taking a HUGE risk. just like a buyer sending a chunk of $$$ (by unrecoverable method) to an unknown "seller" sight unseen and references unchecked. *THINK* !

isn't the new trend just to have monstrously long chestraps - long enough to hang down to your knee ? I feel that's at least a little safer...

People who cannot use common sense - will get fucked no matter how many roadblocks are built to insure their safety. I have all the sympathy for the victims, but - c'mon, even $1300 is ALOT of money to blindly send somebody. I again, and again, and again advise - GET THE PERSON ON THE PHONE. Overseas phone calls are CHEAP (if that person is not in US/Canada) - make that extra effort.

I bet "cypres" is being used as a term for AAD. And there are deals to be found on Arguses. Which of course are no Cypres2 :)

sorry Mike, you ARE correct, i rushed with my reply. It's that very fine thin line between intentional parachute jumping and stunts :(. Pilotdave is correct - to the best of my knowledge the AN2 can only be registered as an EXPERIMENTAL, though it obviously is not. BSBD

not everybody is ok with this. One time when I did a "try and buy" (i was SELLING) - the buyer ended up putting 17 SEVENTEEN !!! jumps on the rig, to just return it to me because "he preferred a different canopy". Didn't care to buy it without the canopy either. I figured he got a free gear rental out of me. So now what I do is ask for full payment upfront that's refundable upon 100% compliant return if what I deliver does not comply with what I advertised. think UCC article 2 sale or return VS sale on approval http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/2/

My friend, I hate to keep going back, but : Western Union is a great tool Lots of our friends in South America and some parts of Europe love it. Here's my list of things to help (and I sell LOTS of gear) : GET THE SELLER ON THE PHONE - that will eliminate 99% of SCAMMERS. USE PAYPAL - PAY WITH A CREDIT CARD. IF there are problems - charge back the credit card. Get advice from somebody who is current with internet dealings - there are new fraud schemes every day, it's nice to take an extra 5 mins to get that piece of mind.

Mike, sorry, you are incorrect. reference : http://www.an2flyers.org/an2faq.html QUOTE : The AN-2 is a popular jump plane in several other countries. The Russians used it as a paratroop transport. The FAA has, to date, been pretty consistant about prohibiting parachuting from the An-2. One An-2 known to Dragon Aviation is certified for sky-diving at air shows ONLY as part of a show routine. Since the jumpers were intended to be part of the An-2's show, this was okay. However, flying paying jumpers; from a commercial sky-dive facility would not be okay. Hollywood has used an An-2 in a recent Chuck Norris movie in which stunt men were karate'd and fell to their death (parachuted) out the door. This has been done through special; certificate waivers issued for one time use for films and stunts.

Based on semi-recent experiences, between USD20 and USD50 for a single action, but north of Nigeria (ex French colonies) there is a definite preference for Euros. oh my god. The prices have gone up :) thank you for backing me up on this. :)

that picture looks more like a Triathlon.

of course they will care. you are forgetting that just because they give you a UK address - it does not mean that they have to collect in the UK. They can collect ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD where Western Union has an office. Think poor 3rd world country where crooks own the cops. to break it down : I am a Nigerian who solicits you with an ad on dz.com you send "me" money to "my" London address using WU I go to my local WU station in NIGERIA and my friend an co-scammer get's the withdrawl "approved" I get the money you get NOTHING how much do you think it costs to buy a cop in some of those places ???

DUUUUUUUUUUDE. it's not a "guy" - it's a syndicate. Plus whereever they are, cops could care less. This scam is done in every type of classifieds, they don't care about the things they are "selling". Wasting time getting them busted is like pissing against the wind. It's better to IP block, put in some advance scam monitoring filters, etc.

How does an English phone number tip off the scam ? Did you call it and it was fake ? Or is there something we non-big island based people should know ? Personally them being dyslexic in terms of "regular email English" and asking about a CAR would be my hint :)