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The "LAW" does not apply to this forum. Only civility and that which is accepted. I'm about to report your performance to the Administrators of this site. For the record you're only a "moderator". Quade, you remind me of a time when all the 5th and 6th graders left the school bus. They handed the last 4th grader that guarded "orange patrol" belt, and he certainly felt he was "KING". The difference was he was a 4th grader, and the fact that he probably had no more education than you, despite your age, is absolutely NO excuse for your actions. Bren

Go back and look at the second paragraph of the post I quoted from you. Yes. That is what a personal attack looks like. Please avoid them in the future. Hang in there Quade. I ADMINISTER no less than 10 sites I put up myself. That's right Quade..server, site and admin...Lock stock and barrel. You're entitled to your "opinion" but the second paragraph was third party reference plain and simple. No personal attacks in sight. Maybe we need to move this discussion. I for one am enjoying the incredible knowledge leveraged on this site, and can't believe the censorship and abuse of "perceived" power I'm seeing on this site. I've got to wonder if "progress" is the real problem. Bren

Or...who he could be. All the more reason never to be discouraged. Some people just vent their frustration when they can't stand where something they have no control of is going. Kinda' like pulling the board out from under the checkers if you will. But the question is a very good one.........where is this thread going? Who knows. Surely with all the topics and threads on this site there should be no reason whatsoever to have to rain on this parade in that fashion or at this time. I remember the words of a less than notable philosopher who made a living taking possession of large objects that weren't his and breaking them up to sell them as them thar' "pieces parts" not only because he knew not only that their sum was worth more than the whole, but that they were also virtually untraceable. Not a bad way to make a living, it's just a matter of ...getting away with it. We call that "selling more BookSssss". Bren

Ok so you share our frustration with this case. Radical departure from anything I've heard to date from the 3 letter Hoover acronym. I've got to say Ckret, this is definitely a GOOD thing. Maybe you're on the level. I've reviewed the H-bach chronicles and I'm more frustrated than ever. I've said it before, many times...Sumpin' is wrong here. Bren

One of the assumptions stated by authorities is that he was not an experienced jumper. If this is true, then the simplest assumption is that that ripper would have been pulled sooner rather than later. A partially deployed/ripped 28' canopy + all the associated HW wouldn't be that difficult to find especially since the placard from the rear door was found. It's just too easy to say he died in the jump. Combining possibilities w/ the find at Tena's bar ......I think we've got a lot of ground to cover. Bren

That's a very good question. There has been a lot of speculation WRT this case that needs to be verified. 377 your technical knowledge is superb and I hope you'll stick around for the duration of this dig. I've also got a question that I'm sure would have been answered a long time ago if possible, but I thought I'd ask. We know that the flight "black box" records all sorts of data with regard to the flight should it ever be needed. Does it not record cockpit communications, and would/could it include the Cooper/cockpit intercom communication? My guess is that even if it didn't by default, there should have been an option to have turned this on for this particular flight (305). Bren

Sorry, I don't participate in "we". You have absolutely mistaken me for someone else. The internet exists for my amusement. If that was too distracting, consider that this thread is about something 35 years ago and over 1000 posts long. Take a moment and re-read them and just give us the Cliff Notes. I'm more than positive you're capable of reading this thread yourself. Your icon says "interior designer" to me. My guess is that you're in the Christiansen camp. You're certainly entitled to your bias and your opinion. ...so make your case please. Bren

The "Focus" is what's important here. I thought we were making progress until we strayed off course. One step at a time. Bren

S-D Jack, Thanks for the reply. I knew that what I posted was not necessarily accurate. I knew enough to be Uhhh...."DANGEROUS" LOL. If we'd have asked for what you posted, we may not have "received", or we may not have known what to ask for. Again, thanks. Bren

Ok. I found it hard to believe that the flight recorder wouldn't have been accurate. No GPS back then, but the WAAS beacons that existed still correct GPS signals for accuracy from about 100 meters to about 3, even today. Not sure they were that accurate back then with all the upgrades, but we're certainly not dealing with mash. CKRET's second post clarified the matter wrt the flight path, I just wasn't sure I was on the right page. AGAIN, I think we need to take this one step at a time, only because I want this case solved. Bren

CrackingPLF, Can you summarize just where you're at on this for those of us who don't understand WRT paradigms and possibly the original theory? What I mean is WRT the recorder and flight path, was the 35 year assumption on this incorrect or are we verifying that it was???? Thanks Bren

Yes possibly, IF he's dead. But it also leads to more questions like "where is the rest of the money?". Bren

Ckret, Thanks. I look forward to the post. You have a point WRT "invasion", except that that same point could even have been made in '71 or 72'. N'est pas? Bren

Admittedly I've never understood the maps Orange1? posted of the area and where Cooper might have landed. A little much for me, but probably because I'm missing something. The AIC made no secret of the fact that he thought it was probable that Coop landed in Lake Merwin and died. I saw posts some time ago that called this into question, but quite frankly I've never understood them. I for one, respect the work that was done, I just don't understand it. I know that Orange apologized for reaching the limit on posting jpg's and I realize there was a point to be made. Again, I don't understand it,things have to made very clear to me. Is it possible that Cooper landed in either the Columbia or Merwin? Ok...ok..what point were you trying to make? Personally I think this is as good a starting point as there is, and needs to be cleared up. Right now, this particular part of the case is not at all clear to me. Thanks Bren

Ckret, A few more questions if you don't mind. 1. You posted the Coop descriptions from Flo and Tina. Do we know who interviewed them? I'm curious for a reason. Was it the AIC, agents in Minn/St. Paul or possibly Harold Campbell and/or his staff in Vegas? 2. Always knew that #1 above existed, but I'm not aware of a Hancock description, does it exist? 3. Until recently, I was certain that no one from the cockpit got an eyeful of Coop. Can't remember where, but I'd heard it mentioned that Ratczak actually got a look at Cooper. Any info on this? 4. And now the biggie. Do you intend to interview any of these people? If you can't, due to time/constraints, and of course a 36+ year old case and budget constraints, I'd like to suggest something. Thanks Bren