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  1. SkydiveNewbie

    That's really useful info - ta. I'm in the South East. Would you recommend approaching the DZs directly rather than going through online packages?

    Definitely. If the online package is not direct from the DZ or a named instructor you are just lining the pockets of an agency middleman. Every dropzone has a website
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  2. 64rky

    Very thorough response, thank you.

    It looks like I need to travel around trying different drop zones hoping for decent jumping weather.

    Thank you again.

    And welcome to the politics of skydiving 64rky....another major reason why people leave the sport.
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  3. obelixtim

    Once upon a time getting an A licence meant you were competent enough to look after yourself, and were ready to learn new skills.

    Like jumping with other people?


    At no extra cost, because the experienced jumpers had already benefitted themselves from a similar system, and new jumpers would add to the pool of jumpers available for their own jumping. A positive cycle that everyone benefitted from.

    There weren't more incidents or accidents back then. I don't see why it is now necessary to have a whole new raft of requirements "in the interests of safety" that have to be paid for before people can begin to have fun. A cancer on the sport.

    Who says it has to be paid for? I've never charged for coaching in my life, however, not everyone is as fortunate as me and I don't judge those that do need to charge (I just would expect that people get value for money)


    If people who get their A licence aren't basically competent, that tells me that their instructors have failed to do their job properly, after charging a lot of money for it.

    They are basically competent...to exit a plane, perform basic individual manoeuvres, deploy their parachute and fly it to a safe landing.
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  4. RMK

    Yes, I like the concept that a skydiving license is a "license to skydive". If not trusted to do a simple two-way with a friend, maybe the AFF training should be done better.

    I must have missed the definition of skydiving that requires more than one participant. Please can you direct me to it?


    Common sense alone should lend one (and CCI) to understand that a newly minted A License holder is not prepared for a 5-plane 100 way and to stay within your limits.

    Common sense isn't always common.


    However, we live in a country where it is illegal to have an electrical outlet in our bathrooms,

    Not illegal, just needs to be 3 metres from the bath/show or be a shaver plug but never let the facts get in the way of some internet hysteria.


    yet for decades appliances were sold without plugs (you had to install them yourself). Odd system, whereby we weren't trusted with electricity, yet it was OK for everyone to do their own DIY wiring.

    Interesting leap to appliances without plugs (in the past)... :-o
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  5. RMK

    Yes, I immediately asked them why. They said it was because an A License jumper couldn't act as jumpmaster on a lift. Which I regard as some pretty half-assed reasoning.

    I was a B License at the time; so didn't affect me, but I still regarded it as being dicks.

    Well done on that whole not besmirching their name thing.
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  6. obelixtim

    I've been involved with skydiving for over 40 years now...the BPA stands out long term for its "unique" style. And people do bitch a bit about other organisations, but that doesn't make BPA "right".

    It also doesn't make it completely wrong.


    So why then add another obstacle to someone who already has a USPA A licence?

    So, we'll just let them jump a Peregrine whilst they are at it? Yes, that's hyperbole, but the point being it's shades.


    Just the incompetent ones who act like tin gods and treat lower experienced jumpers as some sort of irritant.

    And tar the rest of them and the association as a whole is the vitriol you are spreading.


    Not the main reasons people give me.

    Try "Being treated like dirt". "Ripped off". "Treated like children". "Verbally abused in public".

    I don't doubt there are some bad eggs out there but also there are often two sides to every story I find...


    Its a long standing problem, if it wasn't, why would a specific strategy be necessary. People WANT to jump and want to stay. They are driven away.

    This guys earns his living all over the world. This isn't a uniquely British problem.


    Bringing in a "consultant" sounds like typical corporate spin, spouted loudly before zero change.

    Can't win with you...get accused of having bad culture...try to address culture issues...get accused of spin and no change.


    If BPA were doing their job properly, retention would be automatic.

    In your 40 years in the sport I would have thought you would have learned that a lot of things affect retention...money, job, marriage, kids, divorce, injury/illness. Retention isn't automatic.


    Get BPA to think about it. They need to be shaken out of their comfortable incompetence. The whole organisation needs a proper ISO 9000 type audit, as do the DZs. Otherwise nothing will change.

    We are thinking about it. We are always thinking about it.
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  7. gowlerk

    ***Last year over 270,000 descents were carried out in the UK. You could add to those numbers and draw your own conclusions...or you can believe everything you read on the internet.

    It does seem BPA is disliked by British jumpers.

    It's disliked by some British jumpers, but you just carry on and extrapolate that to all of them if you like. Isn't every organisation? Is the CSPA universally loved by its members?


    Except for you, and you are a senior bureaucrat within BPA, no one seems to be defending the organization here.

    This is a predominantly North American site. Also as a major protagonist you'll be aware that internet discussion forums tends to attract people who wish to denigrate rather than praise...


    Perhaps it is a little clubby in the boardroom?

    What are you insinuating? I am a volunteer who gives up half of his annual holiday allowance to try to better the sport and much like moderating the curmudgeons on here, it's a pretty thankless task and I often ask myself why I bother...
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  8. RMK

    ***The BPA itself is the problem. Case in point this FS1 rule.

    ...and the good ideas just keep coming. We now have newly implemented tracking qualifications/stickers:


    Seems they have provided a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

    Do a lot of angle flying do you Michael?
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  9. RMK

    Regarding Headcorn as an example (closest to South London & I noted as avoid). They oddly charge A Licesne jumpers an extra £2 per lift ticket - £25 vs £23 - their way of saying "welcome to skydiving new guy".

    Nice assumption on your part. Have you ever asked them why they do that? Or just jumped to your own conclusions with a handy stick to beat them because of your own bias?

    My biggest issue with Headcorn is that they are in the airspace for Gatwick and often get held a lot, plus they are at a very busy GA airfield, but there are pros and cons to all DZs.
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  10. obelixtim

    ***Last year over 270,000 descents were carried out in the UK. You could add to those numbers and draw your own conclusions...or you can believe everything you read on the internet.

    That doesn't mean everything is all sweetness and light in the UK jumping scene. Far from it. The very fact that a number of different people have displayed reservations indicate that.

    You don't see these kind of comments about any other country. Why might that be?

    You aren't looking hard enough then or your glasses are too rose tinted. There is plenty of bitching about the USPA on here. And what's all that NZPIA/NZPF grief?


    The BPA itself is the problem. Case in point this FS1 rule.
    No other place has such a rule, hence the perception that the BPA make skydiving as difficult as possible.

    Other places have similar rules. For example, so of the requirements for FS1 are requirements for USPA A licence.


    Nitpicky nonsense that has no reason to be if the instructors do their jobs properly in the first place.

    Would that be all the BPA instructors or just some of them?


    I personally know of 30 or 40 people who have trained and jump outside of the UK because they have been made to feel unwelcome at DZs in the UK.

    Good for you. There are many reasons to travel overseas to train...better weather, different prices, different levels of services.

    One of the BPA's long-standing strategies is retention. In order to further this the BPA is making efforts to improve customer service with such initiatives as bringing James Le Barrie over to consult with dropzones.


    Maybe the annual jump numbers would be 370,000 or 470,000 if it was easier to jump there.

    Think about that.

    Err, gee, why didn't I think of that!
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  11. Depends where you are based! I would recommend going to wherever is closest to you. If the weather isn't co-operative you will have to revisit the dropzone so the closest one will save you time and money. All British dropzones are regulated to the high standards laid out by the British Parachute Association so there isn't one that's better than another, just differences such as aircraft, facilities and people.
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  12. The primary is Scott Smith. A Google search turns up that he was learning to skydive (in 2014) for a programme with Bear Grylls (the one where Bear did the shitty IAD job on him and got the pilot chute around his leg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ySpmXFVLww). I suspect the inside camera was asked for by the production company. Although the freefall (and deployment!) doesn't really feature on his YouTube video
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  13. As per http://www.skydivemag.com/article/bonehead-cutaway,


    If you would like the new hinge, anyone who bought their helmet after 1st Jan 2012 will get the new hinge free (with proof of purchase) and only pay shipping (it's small enough to ship US mail). Otherwise the cost of the new-style hinge will be $50.

    Chris Frisella (chris (at) boneheadcomposites (dot) com) sorted me out and the replacement was only $30 (plus shipping).
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  14. http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/indoor-skydiving-center-proposed-near-chesterfield-mall/article_5836588d-5639-5f0a-9ad5-3c6ef526aedf.html


    I-Fly, the Austin-based chain of indoor skydiving centers, has proposed building its first Missouri location near Chesterfield Mall.

    I-Fly has submitted plans to Chesterfield city officials to open a 7,777-square foot facility at 595 Chesterfield Center on four acres of land owned by the mall's owner, Chattanooga, Tenn.-based CBL & Associates Properties. The Chesterfield Ciné theater on the site near the Dillard's department store was previously demolished.

    At its more than 20 locations, large fans create a wind tunnel so customers float on air to simulate skydiving.

    The new three-story structure would be 67 feet tall, according to plans submitted to the city by the project's architect, GMA Architects.

    Chesterfield's planning commission approved I-Fly's project on May 23, and city officials are still reviewing the plans before construction can begin.

    There is (was?) an Aerodium also in Chesterfield but the latest news on the website says closed for the season. Is it still in operation?
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  15. http://www.cypres.cc/25/wsc.php


    We introduced a new CYPRES model during our 25 year anniversary boogie at the DZ Soest in Germany.

    The WSC (Wing Suit CYPRES) will monitor the wingsuite skydiver during his complete skydive and set itself accordingly.

    During wingsuit flight, it will activate with a vertical speed of approximately 20 m/s (45 mph) and after it detected the canopy opening, it will switch to the usual activation speed like the Expert or the Speed CYPRES, whatever mode you are in. This switch will be indicated by an audible sound in order that the skydiver knows when the WSC is working on "canopy flight modus" and that he can start flying his canopy without being afraid that the unit will activate during a turn on his fast flying canopy.

    Final test phase is still ongoing. Stay tuned for further updates!

    Plus teaser video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHIw27jmt6c Is that Roberta?
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  16. michalm21

    I have tens, if not 100+ videos from the old site. Once I go through them I can upload too

    I have a few in my collection. Every time I watch them I'm amazed at how low the encoding quality is. :P And we still used to burn through the bandwidth! 720p and HD have spoiled us.
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  17. http://www.indoorskydivingsource.com/news/ifly-isg-battle-ends-fliteshop-terminated/


    Tonight Alan Metni, the CEO of SkyVenture and iFLY Indoor Skydiving sent out an announcement that a legal battle that had been underway for some time has ended. Fliteshop, a wind tunnel project in Phoenix, Arizona was to bring an Indoor Skydiving Germany (ISG) wind tunnel to the USA. In 2014 ISG was sued by SkyVenture for patent infringement.

    Original case details can be found here.

    In tonight's letter, Alan Metni writes the following on the conclusion:

    In 2014, we sued Indoor Skydiving Germany (ISG) for selling a wind tunnel for installation in Phoenix, Arizona. In the run up to trial, ISG repeatedly attacked the validity of our patents in both the District Court and the US Patent Office; those attacks failed. On the eve of trial, ISG conceded the validity and enforceability of two of our U.S. Patents (RE43,028 and 7,156,744) and agreed not to attack their validity in the future. ISG terminated its Phoenix project, and agreed not to sell any vertical wind tunnel in the US through the duration of those patents – until September 22, 2024. The agreement was not limited to the US. To persuade us to settle, ISG also agreed to cease operations in North and South America, the UK, Australia, New Zealand and parts of the Middle East and India until September 22, 2024. To be vindicated in this way, after so many years of fighting was incredibly gratifying.

    This conclusion comes one month before the first non-iFLY tunnel, Airborne San Diego is scheduled to open. In addition another tunnel by new manufacturer Extreme Flight has been announced near the original SkyVenture location in Orlando. As the letter continues it is clear that other wind tunnel manufacturers will be a future focus for iFLY:

    It’s important to note that this does not resolve the matter globally. Our patent infringement lawsuits in other countries continue. We are also aware of other companies doing substantially the same thing as ISG. We plan to address those violations in similar fashion and we expect the same result.

    This case is not the first time that SkyVenture and ISG have faced off. In 2010 the German patent office ruled in favor of ISG, cancelling SkyVenture's German utility patent. The announcement by ISG for that conclusion can be found here.

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  18. Wow. That's a ballsy move then? With the litigation that is going on with the other tunnel(s), opening one "right near" the original iFly is very in their face.
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  19. What's the deal with this? With iFly suing other manufacturers of tunnels in the US for patent infringments, but Inflight tunnel is an iFly design, yes? Still, seems odd to use Dubai brand in Orlando?



    A Dubai-based indoor skydiving attraction, Inflight Dubai, has shared more details on its plans for an attraction slated for I-Drive 360.
    Dubbed Extreme Flight-Orlando, a 51,199-square-foot building is being proposed for the lot of I-Drive 360 land on the corner of Mercado Road and International Drive, according to permit documents filed with the South Florida Water Management District. The documents show the attraction will "operate a wind tunnel for sport, training and entertainment activities with ancillary uses such as a snack bar, party room, etc."

    Having a skydiving attraction at I-Drive 360 has been in play since 2014, as I-Drive 360 executives expected to draw more well-known attraction brands to the entertainment/dining destination.

    New attractions on International Drive will help draw more visitors to the booming corridor that already welcomes more than 5 million tourists each year. Attractions such as the Orlando Eye, Madame Tussauds, Sea Life Aquarium, Mango's Tropical Cafe Orlando and others, as well as the future Skyplex and a Starflyer attraction, will all breathe new life into the area.

    The name on the plan says "Extreme Flight Holdings ltd". Carlos Euribe (CEO of Inflight Dubai) is listed as an officer.
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  20. http://www.timescall.com/longmont-local-news/ci_29638588/gibbs-quiet-skies-take-mile-hi-skydiving-lawsuit-appeals


    Kim Gibbs has taken her legal battle with Mile-Hi Skydiving to the Colorado Court of Appeals.

    The Gunbarrel resident and the other plaintiffs — the group Citizens for Quiet Skies, Gibbs' husband Timothy Lim, Suzanne Webel, Richard Dauer, and Carla and John Behrens — sued Mile-Hi Skydiving in 2013.

    The plaintiffs claim that Mile-Hi Owner Frank Casares flies planes, especially the purple-tipped Twin Otter, especially loudly and frequently. The flights, out of Longmont's Vance Brand Airport, interfere with local residents' enjoyment of their properties and constituted nuisance, negligence, trespass and unjust enrichment, they say.

    Boulder District Court Judge Judith LaBuda first dismissed the claims of unjust enrichment and trespass in a summary judgment in preliminary proceedings. In 2015, LaBuda held a five-day trial in which both sides called real estate, noise and aviation experts as witnesses. LaBuda ended the trial with visits to some plaintiffs' homes while Mile-Hi flew overhead, in order to experience the noise levels for herself.

    In May, LaBuda ruled unilaterally in favor of Mile-Hi, awarding Casares more than $120,000 in damages and attorneys fees.

    Gibbs said she decided to file the appeal because she believes LaBuda misapplied the law.


    "I have a strong belief in what we're trying to do, and I believe what we're doing is reasonable, and I believe the judge just got it so wrong," Gibbs said. "I couldn't let her decision stand. I just couldn't."

    What's more, Gibbs said, the lawsuit loss means she has been"pretty much devastated financially."

    "They were very vindictive and unreasonable awards, and the only way we had any chance of recovering those funds was to appeal," Gibbs said.

    Casares did not respond to requests for comment.

    The plaintiffs' lawyers', Matthew B. Osofsky and Randall M. Weiner, filed the 55-page opening brief in the appeal case Wednesday. In the opening brief, Osofsky and Weiner wrote, among other arguments, that LaBuda erred in finding that the city of Longmont had no power to regulate airport noise without preempting the Federal Aviation Administration.

    "If Judge LaBuda is correct, then the Colorado public has absolutely zero control over what occurs at airports after they are constructed. ... On behalf of their citizens, Colorado courts should resist this federal overreach."

    The plaintiffs in the case ask the Colorado Court of Appeals to remand the suit back to the district court for a new trial.

    According to the Colorado Rule of Appellate Procedure, Mile-Hi now has 30 days to file an answer brief, and then the plaintiffs have 21 days after that to file an answer brief.

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  21. flyingwallop

    Although I understand from the BPA manual that the insurance included with membership will cover me...

    some alarming responses by 2 skydiving specific insurance companies (Sky Cover & AIB-Insurance) are making me doubt the validity of the BPA's policy.
    Both these companies will not insure me as a NON UK resident.

    Now my question is: what company does the BPA use?

    I would like to at least speak to said company to verify first hand.

    Hello, my name is Craig. I'm the chair of the Development committee at the BPA, which also includes the Insurance sub-committee (although the vast majority of the work is done by the office) and I can assure you that you will be covered under the third-party aspect of the insurance. We require 3rd party to skydive in this country and it would be a bit odd if the insurance we sold you didn't cover you :-)

    In case you wish to check, the broker is Romero Sport and Leisure and the underwrite is Liberty Mutual.
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  22. NWPoul

    ***What I don't like is the term "taxi-fly" :-(

    H-mm Why? It's how we call it)
    But, Once the group of firstimers heard about "Taxi-fly at the end of flying" and asked our manifiest whether that taxi is going from WT to the city))

    I feel it is disparaging. Just like some instructors dislike being called rats. It may be how we talk to each other, but first-timers should be treated with respect.
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